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Neil Abercrombie needs to be removed.
The article states that members with the same length of service are ranked alphabetically by last name. The official seniority list [ [1]] lists members who took office on the same day alphabetically by last name, but it does not specify that (for example) Charles Rangel is senior to C.W. Bill Young. Can it be verified that these members are not considered equal (tied) in seniority? JTRH ( talk) 03:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Someone's already added the two people who were elected to fill vacancies at the end of the 111th. I'm not going to revert it, because it'll be accurate in two days, but they won't actually be sworn in until Monday the 15th. At that point, though, the usual practice is that they'll be given seniority retroactive to the day after the election (the 3rd, not Election Day itself). Just a clarification of their status. JTRH ( talk) 13:28, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
The official House seniority list shows Critz with a seniority date of 5/18/10 and Djou with a seniority date of 5/22/10. However, it lists Djou first before Critz. Is there a reason that Djou actually ranks higher in seniority, or is this a mistake? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.131.146.41 ( talk) 02:45, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate in this article to note the senior members of delegations (of non at-large states), or not? It is a facet of their seniority. Guidelines? 75.203.153.66 ( talk) 16:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
At 41 & 42, respectively, (and it agrees with the official Congessional seniority list), I presume Pallone's credentials were accepted and he was sworn in before Duncan. A reference should be found and cited in a note. (Similar to 343/344 Reed & Stutzman, as well as 338/339 Garamendi & Owens, but their order is alphabetical, as are 142/143 Bono & Lee). Sires(263), again, matching Congessional list, looks like they never changed from his oath date to date of election.
75.202.240.223 (
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17:07, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Rep. Sires' date changed on 112th pdf. Dru of Id ( talk) 06:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure if this deserves to have it's own article given how the main page has all this information already. It could be merged into a list of current members of the House of Representatives which could include all sortable data. Stidmatt ( talk) 21:25, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Members of Congress are not Members of Congress until they take the oath of office. Members who are elected in special elections are considered to have begun their terms on the day of the election, but they are still not Members until they have been sworn in. I had inserted a line above the list of last week's special election winners indicating that they would take their oaths of office when Congress reconvened on November 13 (even though their seniority dates would then be November 6). That notation was removed this morning, even though three of the four members were only sworn in moments ago as I write, and Mr. Payne of New Jersey has yet to take his oath. He is apparently not present. He is therefore not a Member of Congress and not 434th in seniority until he does so. Someone jumps the gun on this every time there's a special election. JTRH ( talk) 00:29, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Vacant is not a member, but shouldn't there be a notation of vacancies in order to account for all 435 seats? JTRH ( talk) 11:41, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Although delegates are not "members" in terms of floor voting rights (they do have full voting rights in caucuses and in committees and subcommittees), there should be some mention of them, a list of their own seniority and where would they appear, were they officially included in the seniority list. Committees and subcomittees do list them by seniority ij its membership lists and several of them have served as subcommittee chairs when they've been part of the majority. As the article and list now stand, they do not exist. Pr4ever ( talk) 15:36, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
List of current members of the United States House of Representatives by seniority → Seniority in the United States House of Representatives – Consistency with Seniority in the United States Senate, which is a briefer title. While the latter is a more fleshed out article about seniority in the Senate and this isn't, this article could potentially have more information. Relisted. Jenks24 ( talk) 17:41, 17 July 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. George Ho ( talk) 21:11, 9 July 2015 (UTC) Harej ( talk) 15:00, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
The seniority for members who enter the House on special election is the date that they are sworn in, not the date of the election. The House's web site, which has not been updated since September 2016, shows a list of seniority of house members with seniority dates for Dan Donovan (politician), Trent Kelly, Darin LaHood, and Warren Davidson being the date that they were sworn in, not the date that they were elected. Sometimes the sky is blue ( talk) 19:41, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Could someone fix the table (I would do it myself but usually I just end up making it worse)? There are a few cells outside of columns. MB298 ( talk) 02:26, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
John Conyers has resigned today, so he should be removed by someone better with Wiki formatting then me...
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-conyers-resigns-20171205-story.html
So is Don Young Dean now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfpack40351 ( talk • contribs) 16:12, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Talk:List of United States Senators in the 115th Congress by seniority#Senators > 100?. —
GoldRingChip
20:08, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Mike Bost is listed as #319 with a date of January 3, 2015 but he has been in congress since January 1995. He was the Rep from Illinois-12 but was re districted to Illinois-15, So what date should his seniority be? Tomrtn ( talk) 02:10, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Is there a better way to sort Reps by the state they represent? Pennwood711 ( talk) 16:16, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Representative John Lewis (Senior Chief Deputy Whip) is the longest-serving member of the Democratic leadership (for some years ending in 2003 he was also the oldest member of the leadership but hasn't been since...cue the younger members' frustration with the generation gap).Should his leadership position be noted?-- 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 05:03, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Tiffany and Garcia did not become Members of the House on May 12th. Their elections are not certified, and they have not been sworn in. Even if House rules will retroactively list their service from May 12th, they are not Members of Congress today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CarlCanton ( talk • contribs) 01:42, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Nkon21, P,TO 19104, and Sbb618: The "standards for seniority" section feels very confusing to read and has no citations attached to it. I propose changing it to "The table below is sorted by number of terms of service (in descending order by beginning of service) and then alphabetically by last name." This is in accordance to information available on the Office of the House Historian ( https://history.house.gov/Institution/Seniority/Terms-of-Service/) and a PDF from the Office of the Clerk ( https://clerk.house.gov/member_info/Terms_of_Service.pdf). If agreed upon, I'll carry out the edit.
Sdrqaz ( talk) 18:58, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
The rightmost column on the page showing each member's committee chairmanships or leadership positions was removed in a recent edit. I disagree with this removal, but I don't want to start a giant string of reverts, so I'm putting my argument here.
I would argue to keep this column for a few reasons. It provides a useful snapshot of how many important positions in Congress are held by more senior members, and informs readers about them at a glance instead of having to go to multiple places. It's been a part of the page since it was created in 2009, and is still seen on every Wikipedia list of seniority for individual Congresses. And, for aesthetic purposes; there's a huge white gap running down the whole page without it. If you have strong feelings for or against this change, please comment below. Sbb618 ( talk) 03:57, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
I certainly think that this page, and the Senate one, is poorer following the changes. While committee and leadership positions are not factors in seniority the topics are clearly linked as committee leadership is one of the primary reasons why seniority is important. Furthermore the change removes useful information and brings no obvious benefit. If we are only going to list factors that determine seniority we could just as easily get rid of the party and district columns as well Conservative Thinker ( talk) 20:56, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
If there's nothing else to add, there seems to be a pretty clear consensus for keeping the column in question both at this page and at the Senate page. Sdrqaz ( talk) 19:17, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
The table is all messed up. Somebody please fix the formatting ASAP!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.203.70.213 ( talk) 18:11, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
I had broken out a separate column for the dates of members' previous service. Most of the entries were blank, since most members haven't served non-consecutively. Someone consolidated that into the seniority date column. Now the column doesn't sort properly by seniority date. Anyone with previous service is listed at the bottom, regardless of their seniority date. I'd like to go ahead and restore Previous Service as a separate column, but I wanted to open a discussion first. Thanks. JTRH ( talk) 16:56, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Since Lizzie Fletcher's last name is Fletcher (Pannill is a maiden name, and her legal name is currently Elizabeth Ann Fletcher), shouldn't she be alphabetized by the letter F, not P? This would move her up 27 spots on the seniority list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotpotato1234567890 ( talk • contribs) 01:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
In order to avoid an edit war with @ Scribetastic, I'm bringing this discussion here. Per the talk page discussions here, particularly at Talk:Seniority in the United States House of Representatives § Members who enter on special elections and at Talk:Seniority in the United States House of Representatives § May 12, 2020 Special Elections, it was stated that we should not add members to the list until they've been sworn in (regardless of the fact that their seniority date is the start of the election). This follows the precedent that the list of The House itself. This same thing applies to the line of vacancies. With that line as it is currently at this diff, it looks like Celeste Maloy has been sworn in when that's not the case. It goes against what we currently have at: List of current members of the United States House of Representatives, United States House of Representatives, and other locations that specifically state that she is not yet a member. This also disregards the House's own websites and member rolls: Vacancies in the 118th Congress, List of Representatives (starting from Utah), website for UT-02. Similarly, we should not be adding members elected in any future elections until they're sworn in. Imagine adding the members for the 119th Congress when this one is still in session.
Looking at the edit summaries, it looks like this is a point of contention, so this needs to resolved ASAP with a stronger precedent for the future (if this article should still stand in the first place). It seems like users have had free rein for this which should not be the case. Pinging: @ JTRH, @ Pvmoutside since y'all were prior participants. AG202 ( talk) 03:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
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Neil Abercrombie needs to be removed.
The article states that members with the same length of service are ranked alphabetically by last name. The official seniority list [ [1]] lists members who took office on the same day alphabetically by last name, but it does not specify that (for example) Charles Rangel is senior to C.W. Bill Young. Can it be verified that these members are not considered equal (tied) in seniority? JTRH ( talk) 03:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Someone's already added the two people who were elected to fill vacancies at the end of the 111th. I'm not going to revert it, because it'll be accurate in two days, but they won't actually be sworn in until Monday the 15th. At that point, though, the usual practice is that they'll be given seniority retroactive to the day after the election (the 3rd, not Election Day itself). Just a clarification of their status. JTRH ( talk) 13:28, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
The official House seniority list shows Critz with a seniority date of 5/18/10 and Djou with a seniority date of 5/22/10. However, it lists Djou first before Critz. Is there a reason that Djou actually ranks higher in seniority, or is this a mistake? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.131.146.41 ( talk) 02:45, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate in this article to note the senior members of delegations (of non at-large states), or not? It is a facet of their seniority. Guidelines? 75.203.153.66 ( talk) 16:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
At 41 & 42, respectively, (and it agrees with the official Congessional seniority list), I presume Pallone's credentials were accepted and he was sworn in before Duncan. A reference should be found and cited in a note. (Similar to 343/344 Reed & Stutzman, as well as 338/339 Garamendi & Owens, but their order is alphabetical, as are 142/143 Bono & Lee). Sires(263), again, matching Congessional list, looks like they never changed from his oath date to date of election.
75.202.240.223 (
talk)
17:07, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Rep. Sires' date changed on 112th pdf. Dru of Id ( talk) 06:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure if this deserves to have it's own article given how the main page has all this information already. It could be merged into a list of current members of the House of Representatives which could include all sortable data. Stidmatt ( talk) 21:25, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Members of Congress are not Members of Congress until they take the oath of office. Members who are elected in special elections are considered to have begun their terms on the day of the election, but they are still not Members until they have been sworn in. I had inserted a line above the list of last week's special election winners indicating that they would take their oaths of office when Congress reconvened on November 13 (even though their seniority dates would then be November 6). That notation was removed this morning, even though three of the four members were only sworn in moments ago as I write, and Mr. Payne of New Jersey has yet to take his oath. He is apparently not present. He is therefore not a Member of Congress and not 434th in seniority until he does so. Someone jumps the gun on this every time there's a special election. JTRH ( talk) 00:29, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Vacant is not a member, but shouldn't there be a notation of vacancies in order to account for all 435 seats? JTRH ( talk) 11:41, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Although delegates are not "members" in terms of floor voting rights (they do have full voting rights in caucuses and in committees and subcommittees), there should be some mention of them, a list of their own seniority and where would they appear, were they officially included in the seniority list. Committees and subcomittees do list them by seniority ij its membership lists and several of them have served as subcommittee chairs when they've been part of the majority. As the article and list now stand, they do not exist. Pr4ever ( talk) 15:36, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
List of current members of the United States House of Representatives by seniority → Seniority in the United States House of Representatives – Consistency with Seniority in the United States Senate, which is a briefer title. While the latter is a more fleshed out article about seniority in the Senate and this isn't, this article could potentially have more information. Relisted. Jenks24 ( talk) 17:41, 17 July 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. George Ho ( talk) 21:11, 9 July 2015 (UTC) Harej ( talk) 15:00, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
The seniority for members who enter the House on special election is the date that they are sworn in, not the date of the election. The House's web site, which has not been updated since September 2016, shows a list of seniority of house members with seniority dates for Dan Donovan (politician), Trent Kelly, Darin LaHood, and Warren Davidson being the date that they were sworn in, not the date that they were elected. Sometimes the sky is blue ( talk) 19:41, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Could someone fix the table (I would do it myself but usually I just end up making it worse)? There are a few cells outside of columns. MB298 ( talk) 02:26, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
John Conyers has resigned today, so he should be removed by someone better with Wiki formatting then me...
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-conyers-resigns-20171205-story.html
So is Don Young Dean now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfpack40351 ( talk • contribs) 16:12, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Talk:List of United States Senators in the 115th Congress by seniority#Senators > 100?. —
GoldRingChip
20:08, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Mike Bost is listed as #319 with a date of January 3, 2015 but he has been in congress since January 1995. He was the Rep from Illinois-12 but was re districted to Illinois-15, So what date should his seniority be? Tomrtn ( talk) 02:10, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Is there a better way to sort Reps by the state they represent? Pennwood711 ( talk) 16:16, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Representative John Lewis (Senior Chief Deputy Whip) is the longest-serving member of the Democratic leadership (for some years ending in 2003 he was also the oldest member of the leadership but hasn't been since...cue the younger members' frustration with the generation gap).Should his leadership position be noted?-- 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 05:03, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Tiffany and Garcia did not become Members of the House on May 12th. Their elections are not certified, and they have not been sworn in. Even if House rules will retroactively list their service from May 12th, they are not Members of Congress today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CarlCanton ( talk • contribs) 01:42, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Nkon21, P,TO 19104, and Sbb618: The "standards for seniority" section feels very confusing to read and has no citations attached to it. I propose changing it to "The table below is sorted by number of terms of service (in descending order by beginning of service) and then alphabetically by last name." This is in accordance to information available on the Office of the House Historian ( https://history.house.gov/Institution/Seniority/Terms-of-Service/) and a PDF from the Office of the Clerk ( https://clerk.house.gov/member_info/Terms_of_Service.pdf). If agreed upon, I'll carry out the edit.
Sdrqaz ( talk) 18:58, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
The rightmost column on the page showing each member's committee chairmanships or leadership positions was removed in a recent edit. I disagree with this removal, but I don't want to start a giant string of reverts, so I'm putting my argument here.
I would argue to keep this column for a few reasons. It provides a useful snapshot of how many important positions in Congress are held by more senior members, and informs readers about them at a glance instead of having to go to multiple places. It's been a part of the page since it was created in 2009, and is still seen on every Wikipedia list of seniority for individual Congresses. And, for aesthetic purposes; there's a huge white gap running down the whole page without it. If you have strong feelings for or against this change, please comment below. Sbb618 ( talk) 03:57, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
I certainly think that this page, and the Senate one, is poorer following the changes. While committee and leadership positions are not factors in seniority the topics are clearly linked as committee leadership is one of the primary reasons why seniority is important. Furthermore the change removes useful information and brings no obvious benefit. If we are only going to list factors that determine seniority we could just as easily get rid of the party and district columns as well Conservative Thinker ( talk) 20:56, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
If there's nothing else to add, there seems to be a pretty clear consensus for keeping the column in question both at this page and at the Senate page. Sdrqaz ( talk) 19:17, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
The table is all messed up. Somebody please fix the formatting ASAP!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.203.70.213 ( talk) 18:11, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
I had broken out a separate column for the dates of members' previous service. Most of the entries were blank, since most members haven't served non-consecutively. Someone consolidated that into the seniority date column. Now the column doesn't sort properly by seniority date. Anyone with previous service is listed at the bottom, regardless of their seniority date. I'd like to go ahead and restore Previous Service as a separate column, but I wanted to open a discussion first. Thanks. JTRH ( talk) 16:56, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Since Lizzie Fletcher's last name is Fletcher (Pannill is a maiden name, and her legal name is currently Elizabeth Ann Fletcher), shouldn't she be alphabetized by the letter F, not P? This would move her up 27 spots on the seniority list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotpotato1234567890 ( talk • contribs) 01:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
In order to avoid an edit war with @ Scribetastic, I'm bringing this discussion here. Per the talk page discussions here, particularly at Talk:Seniority in the United States House of Representatives § Members who enter on special elections and at Talk:Seniority in the United States House of Representatives § May 12, 2020 Special Elections, it was stated that we should not add members to the list until they've been sworn in (regardless of the fact that their seniority date is the start of the election). This follows the precedent that the list of The House itself. This same thing applies to the line of vacancies. With that line as it is currently at this diff, it looks like Celeste Maloy has been sworn in when that's not the case. It goes against what we currently have at: List of current members of the United States House of Representatives, United States House of Representatives, and other locations that specifically state that she is not yet a member. This also disregards the House's own websites and member rolls: Vacancies in the 118th Congress, List of Representatives (starting from Utah), website for UT-02. Similarly, we should not be adding members elected in any future elections until they're sworn in. Imagine adding the members for the 119th Congress when this one is still in session.
Looking at the edit summaries, it looks like this is a point of contention, so this needs to resolved ASAP with a stronger precedent for the future (if this article should still stand in the first place). It seems like users have had free rein for this which should not be the case. Pinging: @ JTRH, @ Pvmoutside since y'all were prior participants. AG202 ( talk) 03:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)