Seminole burning was a History good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||
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The result was: promoted by
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Created by Urve ( talk). Self-nominated at 13:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC).
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Reviewer: Spudlace ( talk · contribs) 19:07, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
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Spudlace (
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Well written:
The Seminole people were removed from Florida to the Indian Territory in the nineteenth century
n 1866, the Five Civilized Tribes (which included the Seminole) underwent the Reconstruction Treaties, which cut up their previously extensive land claims in the eastern part of modern-day Oklahoma.
By this time, most of the Seminole had transitioned into becoming a pastoralist people.
Maud sits in Pottawatomie County, then on the Oklahoma side of its boundary with the Indian Territory.
(to be continued...)
@ Urve: The changes to the removal sentence are an improvement. The article overall still needs more work to meet the well-written criteria. I can give you some general input if you don't find more specific suggestions to be as helpful. The political background section should be focused on the article subject. It introduced other murders. Are they background for this lynching? Especially "a man named Israel C. McGlothlin was lynched after being accused of murder: He was hanged alive three times" - Was he eventually killed? Would dividing the Removal background and the background about extrajudicial killings into subsections be helpful?
Thomas McGeisey is introduced in section 1.2 but we don't find out who he is until section 1.3.
If you don't mind another specific suggestion shouldn't Lincoln McGeisey and Palmer Sampson were the boys lynched.
be "the boys who were lynched"?
The "Lynched boys" section is unfocused. Are the details about errors in the ways names were rendered in oral history Background. Same question for the name of the sister. Maybe there would be a better section for this? The final one line paragraph states that various sources call them "boys". It should be explained why this is background information. You used the word "though" to introduce this information. This seems significant but I can't figure out why without consulting the sources you used. Is this a criticism of the media coverage calling them "boys"? Can you tell us more about what Warrick says about it? You also use the term "boys" in the section heading. Please explain this or consider altering the section title.
A mob of 300 whites took the boys to a Baptist brush arbor church ...and
Investigation showed that not only had the two boys been burned at the stake ...Urve ( talk) 19:23, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
The lede is a definite issue. It does not at this moment give an overview of the article. It would need to be improved for the article to pass. I can put the article on hold if you want to continue working on it. Spudlace ( talk) 17:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi, Spudlace, just coming back to ask if you would like to see more improvements to the article after the changes. Urve ( talk) 20:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Additional reviewer comments:
Spudlace ( talk) 20:47, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
I don't think the lede meets the criteria right now. The contextual links in the lede include death by burning and the name of the town the lynchmob first formed, but more context for the first paragraph about where the boys were lynched and where Mary Leard's murder took place are not stated. Seminole land could be one. The link to necrophilia is not helpful context. It's more important to give an overview with context. The murder happened and the mob took it upon themselves to wrongfully punish two innocent persons of the same ethnicity as the murderer. If you can, pare down some of the extraneous details and say more about why the Federal government responded so quickly to this. I hope this is not too disappointing and that you continue to work on the article. Peer review is helpful for more input. Spudlace ( talk) 18:38, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Just wanted to extend my appreciation to the authors of this article. It’s incredibly grim subject matter but bringing it to light is the best we can do from here. I’d never heard of this tragedy before. Anyway, thanks for writing it, wish it had never happened. jengod ( talk) 22:28, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Seminole burning was a History good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||
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A
fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the "
Did you know?" column on
August 20, 2022. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that dozens of men were indicted in the
lynching-by-fire deaths of two
Seminole boys in 1898? |
This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to multiple WikiProjects. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The result was: promoted by
97198 (
talk) 08:36, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Created by Urve ( talk). Self-nominated at 13:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC).
GA toolbox |
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Reviewing |
Reviewer: Spudlace ( talk · contribs) 19:07, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
I am reviewing this article.
Spudlace (
talk) 19:07, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Well written:
The Seminole people were removed from Florida to the Indian Territory in the nineteenth century
n 1866, the Five Civilized Tribes (which included the Seminole) underwent the Reconstruction Treaties, which cut up their previously extensive land claims in the eastern part of modern-day Oklahoma.
By this time, most of the Seminole had transitioned into becoming a pastoralist people.
Maud sits in Pottawatomie County, then on the Oklahoma side of its boundary with the Indian Territory.
(to be continued...)
@ Urve: The changes to the removal sentence are an improvement. The article overall still needs more work to meet the well-written criteria. I can give you some general input if you don't find more specific suggestions to be as helpful. The political background section should be focused on the article subject. It introduced other murders. Are they background for this lynching? Especially "a man named Israel C. McGlothlin was lynched after being accused of murder: He was hanged alive three times" - Was he eventually killed? Would dividing the Removal background and the background about extrajudicial killings into subsections be helpful?
Thomas McGeisey is introduced in section 1.2 but we don't find out who he is until section 1.3.
If you don't mind another specific suggestion shouldn't Lincoln McGeisey and Palmer Sampson were the boys lynched.
be "the boys who were lynched"?
The "Lynched boys" section is unfocused. Are the details about errors in the ways names were rendered in oral history Background. Same question for the name of the sister. Maybe there would be a better section for this? The final one line paragraph states that various sources call them "boys". It should be explained why this is background information. You used the word "though" to introduce this information. This seems significant but I can't figure out why without consulting the sources you used. Is this a criticism of the media coverage calling them "boys"? Can you tell us more about what Warrick says about it? You also use the term "boys" in the section heading. Please explain this or consider altering the section title.
A mob of 300 whites took the boys to a Baptist brush arbor church ...and
Investigation showed that not only had the two boys been burned at the stake ...Urve ( talk) 19:23, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
The lede is a definite issue. It does not at this moment give an overview of the article. It would need to be improved for the article to pass. I can put the article on hold if you want to continue working on it. Spudlace ( talk) 17:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi, Spudlace, just coming back to ask if you would like to see more improvements to the article after the changes. Urve ( talk) 20:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Additional reviewer comments:
Spudlace ( talk) 20:47, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
I don't think the lede meets the criteria right now. The contextual links in the lede include death by burning and the name of the town the lynchmob first formed, but more context for the first paragraph about where the boys were lynched and where Mary Leard's murder took place are not stated. Seminole land could be one. The link to necrophilia is not helpful context. It's more important to give an overview with context. The murder happened and the mob took it upon themselves to wrongfully punish two innocent persons of the same ethnicity as the murderer. If you can, pare down some of the extraneous details and say more about why the Federal government responded so quickly to this. I hope this is not too disappointing and that you continue to work on the article. Peer review is helpful for more input. Spudlace ( talk) 18:38, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Just wanted to extend my appreciation to the authors of this article. It’s incredibly grim subject matter but bringing it to light is the best we can do from here. I’d never heard of this tragedy before. Anyway, thanks for writing it, wish it had never happened. jengod ( talk) 22:28, 20 August 2022 (UTC)