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Agree with above. Any houseagent's advertisement will furnish images. Alexander Harvey, architect of Cadbury's village at Bourneville from 1900 might be a good chap to research - many of his Arts and Crafts motifs survive in the middle-upper income model suburban semis of the interwar period. The speculative cheaper building of the late 1920s and mid thirties also draws on Bournville at several removes, and on Art Deco.
I don't see the relevance of the elder Shaw, and the younger one needs a bit of evidence. Curiously, the Arts and Crafts influence worked side by side with a rural Georgian revival from models (later) documented by Thomas Sharp, in, for example, the council houses built by West Bromwich Corporation in the later 1920s and early 1930s, which owed their internal planning to Bourneville and their exteriors to Georgian models. Georgian models also influenced some of the Wythenshawe housing of the 1930s. Delahays ( talk) 13:16, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
A duplex is a building with two units, this article desribes a twin. (Source: Webster, describing a duplex as "a 2-family house.")
In New York, a duplex means an apartment on 2 levels (a triplex is on 3). A house attached on one side is a semi-attached or semi-detached house. Alexisr 06:56 03 January 2006 (UTC)
I lived in Canada ( Kitchener, Ontario) from 1993 to mid-1997. We lived in a semi-detached house (two storeys and a basement). Everyone called houses of this sort "semi-detached" or "semis" — contrary to what the article text suggests, no one in our area ever called them "duplexes". Note that, in Canada, the prefix "semi" is always pronounced "SEM-ee" — never "SEM-eye" as is common in the US. We had our own, separate basement; I never saw a "linked" semi and didn't even know any such thing existed anywhere until I saw this article. Richwales 04:44, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I live in Canada too, and we don't call them "duplexes" either. The word "Townhouse" is more common where I live - the GTA.
When I lived in Saskatoon, people did call them 'Duplexes', but in Calgary, I've mainly heard "semi-detached". What is this linked basement business? Does anyone have an example of this? I've never heard of it. -- Churowa 18:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I am from Ohio. I used to live in what was rented to me as a "duplex". It had a living room and an eat in-kitchen on the first floor, two bedrooms and a bath on the top floor, and an unfinished basement. My neighbors had a mirror image of my apartment on the other side of the wall. I have never heard of something like that reffered to as a "semi", or as anything else other then duplex/triplex/quadplex. Where I come from a townhouse is more then 4 units up and down in a building, or more then 4 flat (or 'garden' style units). Really though, why are there seprate articles for semi-detached and duplex? Maybe I am wrong, but after reading both of these they seem like the same thing. As far as a photo, let me look around, I might have one of my old place, although it might only be of my side.... -tash
I clicked discussion to post that what's described as a "duplex" in the article is actually a "twin" in the US, at least the northeastern part. I'll just add my support, that here in the Philadelphia area (and other places I've been in this region) semi-detached housing is not uncommon and is always referred to as a twin. However, I've read discussions with Americans from other parts of the country (South and Midwest, I believe) who would call semi-detached housing a "duplex". It would be nice to get a source for this. Contemplative 04:02, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
It would be nice to also include a photo of one of these, since they are the archetypal semi in the UK. The current photo, although possibly having historical interest, does not look like the typical semi in the UK. 80.2.205.119
As a look in some dictionaries shows( [1], [2], [3], "duplex" is a synonym for a semi-detached house in certain English-speaking countries, but it is also used to refer to apartments. The comment about Boston is apparently a joke/vandalism. -- Espoo 14:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I would like to formally propose that Duplex (building) be merged into this article. It seems that while there is some regional variation, the subject is essentially the same. FWIW, In Calgary, Alberta, while duplex is used colloquially to refer to semi-detached buildings, the Calgary Land Use Bylaw distinguishes the two—a duplex is one unit over another and a semi-detached is one unit beside one another. If general useage was this clear, I would suggest keeping the two articles separate. As it is, we should have one article that tries to describe the terms and their meaning. -- Jrsnbarn ( talk) 14:37, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
"Disagree' A double house is commonly misrepresented as a duplex in suburban enviroments, but a duplex is usually made of two flats one above the other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.89.77.182 ( talk) 00:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I think we should get rid of the sentence "During the house price boom in the years to 2004 many UK property developers found they could create value by demolishing semi-detached houses and building two detached houses on the same site, often with a very narrow gap between the new units." if no reference can be found. I have never seen this or even heard of it happening. While no doubt it must have happened somewhere, "many" is impossibly vague and misleading as the total number demolished must have been a tiny fraction of the total. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.72.129 ( talk) 20:25, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
I propose amending the structure of the article so that the 'History' heading is abolished and the material in it is transferred to 'United Kingdom'. At the same time the sentence referring to the Shaws could be removed. A minor edit would remove 'In the U.K.' from the beginning of the sentence about house sales in 2008. Finally I could add a picture of semi-detached housing which I took yesterday. Chrisemms ( talk) 11:47, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I see User:I dream of horses has decided to deface this article with a tag to say that the article doesn't represent a wordlwide view because it doesn't have examples from non English speaking countries. My answer to that is wp:sofixit. In my experience these lazy tags sit above articles for years on end and serve no useful purpose. If you feel there is something missing from the article then go and find the information and add it. Are semi-detached houses used in non-English speaking countries - if so where are we going to find that information? I don't think anyone else is going to go looking for the information just because you think they should. You will note it says on the tag "discuss the issue on the talk page". That means it's incumbent upon you to start off a discussion and say why you think this information is missing. For instance, have you been to lots of non-English speaking countries and seen semi-detached houses there? If not, maybe they are only a feature of the countries already mentioned in the article. Richerman (talk) 17:34, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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Shouldn't this be at Semi-detached housing? Lots of things are semi-detached. 216.8.175.138 ( talk) 13:45, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
I suspect that this page is being ignored by most editors as there is so much wrong. I stepped by while looking for references, and floor plans for Council house- which has to be sorted first. Brunskill give references to mediaeval semi-detached cottages in Traditional Buildings of Britain but that is a start. -- Clem Rutter ( talk) 12:23, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Look, someone has to start somewhere. So I will have a go and leave it in a state where others can decide what to call it- and whether to redefine it as a UK article linking back to a disamb page. I will be relying heavily on the references already in the article : The Development of English Semi-detached Dwellings During the Nineteenth Century Authors: Pamela Lofthouse http://doi.org/10.5334/pia.404. I will start by destroying unreferenced text and speculation, then reverse the structure. -- Clem Rutter ( talk) 21:15, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
The history section has been expanded- missing refs to come from council house and its relatives. Clem Rutter ( talk) 02:38, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
A lot of research has gone into this page, but it's not ideal for a cogent overview of the subject. The History section is very long and detailed, with convoluted and occasionally archaic language. I've made numerous small changes to grammar, spelling and syntax without substantially altering the text. But I find that the really useful statements (eg. " They built double cottages as a means of reducing cost," "Semi-detached houses first began to be planned systematically in late 18th-century Georgian architecture," "After the Second World War, there was a chronic shortage of houses") are buried here and there among among wordy and overly technical ones (eg. "Estate villages followed vernacular patterns," "The Housing, Town Planning, &c. Act 1919 (Addison Act) incorporated those recommendations including one that allowed for Radburn style estate layout").
The wording often presumes the reader is already familiar with the subject (eg. "At Bournville in 1879 the Cadbury development started with a detached house for the manager," "The examples of Bournville, and Port Sunlight were seized by Ebenezer Howard and became key models for the Garden City movement," "The model villages in Lancashire came later"), and each section starts somewhere other than the logical beginning. For example, the 'Housing the Urban Working Classes' launches straight into a general discussion about population shifts and societal restructuring without really signposting where it's going. It really needs to start out with a simple sentence explaining that there was a need for more, and cheaper, housing.
I don't know anywhere near enough about the subject to take this on myself, but I hope someone will consider trimming some of the detail, minimising superfluous technical detail, and making this a readable and accessible overview of the subject. Sadiemonster ( talk) 17:47, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
The suggestion is to merge in Duplex (building), paired home
I've lived in the UK my whole life and I have never heard the term "semi-D", nor encountered it before I read this page. Is it common elsewhere? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.185.53.154 ( talk) 12:29, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
this article focuses a lot on the UK. Why is the article primarily about UK semi-detacheds? Serperior 1245, a Pokemon, Star Wars, Star Trek, and Doctor who nerd 01:21, 13 August 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serperior 1245 ( talk • contribs)
fdgdfg 81.131.36.97 ( talk) 14:25, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
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Agree with above. Any houseagent's advertisement will furnish images. Alexander Harvey, architect of Cadbury's village at Bourneville from 1900 might be a good chap to research - many of his Arts and Crafts motifs survive in the middle-upper income model suburban semis of the interwar period. The speculative cheaper building of the late 1920s and mid thirties also draws on Bournville at several removes, and on Art Deco.
I don't see the relevance of the elder Shaw, and the younger one needs a bit of evidence. Curiously, the Arts and Crafts influence worked side by side with a rural Georgian revival from models (later) documented by Thomas Sharp, in, for example, the council houses built by West Bromwich Corporation in the later 1920s and early 1930s, which owed their internal planning to Bourneville and their exteriors to Georgian models. Georgian models also influenced some of the Wythenshawe housing of the 1930s. Delahays ( talk) 13:16, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
A duplex is a building with two units, this article desribes a twin. (Source: Webster, describing a duplex as "a 2-family house.")
In New York, a duplex means an apartment on 2 levels (a triplex is on 3). A house attached on one side is a semi-attached or semi-detached house. Alexisr 06:56 03 January 2006 (UTC)
I lived in Canada ( Kitchener, Ontario) from 1993 to mid-1997. We lived in a semi-detached house (two storeys and a basement). Everyone called houses of this sort "semi-detached" or "semis" — contrary to what the article text suggests, no one in our area ever called them "duplexes". Note that, in Canada, the prefix "semi" is always pronounced "SEM-ee" — never "SEM-eye" as is common in the US. We had our own, separate basement; I never saw a "linked" semi and didn't even know any such thing existed anywhere until I saw this article. Richwales 04:44, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I live in Canada too, and we don't call them "duplexes" either. The word "Townhouse" is more common where I live - the GTA.
When I lived in Saskatoon, people did call them 'Duplexes', but in Calgary, I've mainly heard "semi-detached". What is this linked basement business? Does anyone have an example of this? I've never heard of it. -- Churowa 18:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I am from Ohio. I used to live in what was rented to me as a "duplex". It had a living room and an eat in-kitchen on the first floor, two bedrooms and a bath on the top floor, and an unfinished basement. My neighbors had a mirror image of my apartment on the other side of the wall. I have never heard of something like that reffered to as a "semi", or as anything else other then duplex/triplex/quadplex. Where I come from a townhouse is more then 4 units up and down in a building, or more then 4 flat (or 'garden' style units). Really though, why are there seprate articles for semi-detached and duplex? Maybe I am wrong, but after reading both of these they seem like the same thing. As far as a photo, let me look around, I might have one of my old place, although it might only be of my side.... -tash
I clicked discussion to post that what's described as a "duplex" in the article is actually a "twin" in the US, at least the northeastern part. I'll just add my support, that here in the Philadelphia area (and other places I've been in this region) semi-detached housing is not uncommon and is always referred to as a twin. However, I've read discussions with Americans from other parts of the country (South and Midwest, I believe) who would call semi-detached housing a "duplex". It would be nice to get a source for this. Contemplative 04:02, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
It would be nice to also include a photo of one of these, since they are the archetypal semi in the UK. The current photo, although possibly having historical interest, does not look like the typical semi in the UK. 80.2.205.119
As a look in some dictionaries shows( [1], [2], [3], "duplex" is a synonym for a semi-detached house in certain English-speaking countries, but it is also used to refer to apartments. The comment about Boston is apparently a joke/vandalism. -- Espoo 14:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I would like to formally propose that Duplex (building) be merged into this article. It seems that while there is some regional variation, the subject is essentially the same. FWIW, In Calgary, Alberta, while duplex is used colloquially to refer to semi-detached buildings, the Calgary Land Use Bylaw distinguishes the two—a duplex is one unit over another and a semi-detached is one unit beside one another. If general useage was this clear, I would suggest keeping the two articles separate. As it is, we should have one article that tries to describe the terms and their meaning. -- Jrsnbarn ( talk) 14:37, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
"Disagree' A double house is commonly misrepresented as a duplex in suburban enviroments, but a duplex is usually made of two flats one above the other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.89.77.182 ( talk) 00:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I think we should get rid of the sentence "During the house price boom in the years to 2004 many UK property developers found they could create value by demolishing semi-detached houses and building two detached houses on the same site, often with a very narrow gap between the new units." if no reference can be found. I have never seen this or even heard of it happening. While no doubt it must have happened somewhere, "many" is impossibly vague and misleading as the total number demolished must have been a tiny fraction of the total. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.72.129 ( talk) 20:25, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
I propose amending the structure of the article so that the 'History' heading is abolished and the material in it is transferred to 'United Kingdom'. At the same time the sentence referring to the Shaws could be removed. A minor edit would remove 'In the U.K.' from the beginning of the sentence about house sales in 2008. Finally I could add a picture of semi-detached housing which I took yesterday. Chrisemms ( talk) 11:47, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I see User:I dream of horses has decided to deface this article with a tag to say that the article doesn't represent a wordlwide view because it doesn't have examples from non English speaking countries. My answer to that is wp:sofixit. In my experience these lazy tags sit above articles for years on end and serve no useful purpose. If you feel there is something missing from the article then go and find the information and add it. Are semi-detached houses used in non-English speaking countries - if so where are we going to find that information? I don't think anyone else is going to go looking for the information just because you think they should. You will note it says on the tag "discuss the issue on the talk page". That means it's incumbent upon you to start off a discussion and say why you think this information is missing. For instance, have you been to lots of non-English speaking countries and seen semi-detached houses there? If not, maybe they are only a feature of the countries already mentioned in the article. Richerman (talk) 17:34, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
As a courtesy to other editors and as a means of respecting their time, and also as a means of maximizing the likelihood that your concerns will be addressed, you should initiate a talk section detailing your concerns when hanging any maintenance tag. Without such explanations, it may be difficult for editors to understand what concerned you and to figure out whether subsequent changes have addressed your concerns...If you do not explain your concerns on the article's talk page, you may expect this tag to be promptly and justifiably removed as "unexplained" by the first editor who happens to not understand why you added this tag.
Shouldn't this be at Semi-detached housing? Lots of things are semi-detached. 216.8.175.138 ( talk) 13:45, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
I suspect that this page is being ignored by most editors as there is so much wrong. I stepped by while looking for references, and floor plans for Council house- which has to be sorted first. Brunskill give references to mediaeval semi-detached cottages in Traditional Buildings of Britain but that is a start. -- Clem Rutter ( talk) 12:23, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Look, someone has to start somewhere. So I will have a go and leave it in a state where others can decide what to call it- and whether to redefine it as a UK article linking back to a disamb page. I will be relying heavily on the references already in the article : The Development of English Semi-detached Dwellings During the Nineteenth Century Authors: Pamela Lofthouse http://doi.org/10.5334/pia.404. I will start by destroying unreferenced text and speculation, then reverse the structure. -- Clem Rutter ( talk) 21:15, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
The history section has been expanded- missing refs to come from council house and its relatives. Clem Rutter ( talk) 02:38, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
A lot of research has gone into this page, but it's not ideal for a cogent overview of the subject. The History section is very long and detailed, with convoluted and occasionally archaic language. I've made numerous small changes to grammar, spelling and syntax without substantially altering the text. But I find that the really useful statements (eg. " They built double cottages as a means of reducing cost," "Semi-detached houses first began to be planned systematically in late 18th-century Georgian architecture," "After the Second World War, there was a chronic shortage of houses") are buried here and there among among wordy and overly technical ones (eg. "Estate villages followed vernacular patterns," "The Housing, Town Planning, &c. Act 1919 (Addison Act) incorporated those recommendations including one that allowed for Radburn style estate layout").
The wording often presumes the reader is already familiar with the subject (eg. "At Bournville in 1879 the Cadbury development started with a detached house for the manager," "The examples of Bournville, and Port Sunlight were seized by Ebenezer Howard and became key models for the Garden City movement," "The model villages in Lancashire came later"), and each section starts somewhere other than the logical beginning. For example, the 'Housing the Urban Working Classes' launches straight into a general discussion about population shifts and societal restructuring without really signposting where it's going. It really needs to start out with a simple sentence explaining that there was a need for more, and cheaper, housing.
I don't know anywhere near enough about the subject to take this on myself, but I hope someone will consider trimming some of the detail, minimising superfluous technical detail, and making this a readable and accessible overview of the subject. Sadiemonster ( talk) 17:47, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
The suggestion is to merge in Duplex (building), paired home
I've lived in the UK my whole life and I have never heard the term "semi-D", nor encountered it before I read this page. Is it common elsewhere? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.185.53.154 ( talk) 12:29, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
this article focuses a lot on the UK. Why is the article primarily about UK semi-detacheds? Serperior 1245, a Pokemon, Star Wars, Star Trek, and Doctor who nerd 01:21, 13 August 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serperior 1245 ( talk • contribs)
fdgdfg 81.131.36.97 ( talk) 14:25, 14 October 2022 (UTC)