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I've changed Peul, which is French, to Fula. No problem with French en français, but it confuses readers in English to have different terms for the same group. If we use a term from another language the natural choice would be to use the Fulfulde/Pulaar term, Fulɓe. A12n 22:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
The spelling is highly variable.
The most common (Google) appears to be "Sekou Amadou". Aa77zz ( talk) 16:39, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I propose that Amadu's Jihad be merged into this article. Given the lack of available information the topic can easily be covered by the "Jihad" section in this article, which already gives more than the stand-alone article, and gives sources. This is not an irreversible decision. If enough information shows up to justify a stand-alone article it can be split out again, perhaps with a better title. Aymatth2 ( talk) 21:42, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Wow, that was quick. If I read it right, merger proposed 15 Feb. and executed 23 Feb.? For the record I would not have supported the merger. The jihad was an armed conflict that had specific details that the Amadu's Jihad stub did not yet include. I strongly suggest that if the aforementioned is not reinstated, that a new article on that conflict, however titled, should be created.
It is worth noting that there is also some overlap between two other articles related to Seku Amadu's career, namely Massina Empire and Hamdullahi, however these also should neither be merged with each other nor with this article. The historical Hamdullahi was a town that has retained some significance.
As a general rule I think that (1) merger proposals for specialized or less widely known topics should have longer discussion periods, given that the few who might have more knowledge of them may not get around to the issue so quickly, and (2) that articles on African topics when short may be assumed to be stubs and not necessarily reflect lack of either importance or further information that could be used to expand them.-- A12n ( talk) 06:58, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I reverted the name forms of Seku Amadu's successors to those more commonly seen in the literature and used locally in Mali. Also put two variant forms of his name in relation to languages in which they are used (French version; and Fula version seen in Bintou Sanankoua's book on Masina). Also inserted a succession box, though the title will need modification.-- A12n ( talk) 10:46, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I back-built the Arabic script version of the transliterated Arabic name in the opening paragraph with reference to the article "أحمدو لبو Ahmadu Lobbo" in the Arab Encyclopedia. Am suggesting to move the Fula language (Fulfulde) names to the more prominent positions given Seku Amadu was a Pullo.-- A12n ( talk) 09:45, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
This needs work but something like this would help the article: Naming customs of the period did not depend on a single legal name by which one is formally known, such as we are accustomed to expect today. citation needed Commonly, sons were named with reference to their father's name. In the case of learned and prominent individuals in Fula Muslim societies of the Sahel during this period, Arabic sources also recorded their names according to customs in that language. The name "Seeku" in Seeku Aamadu is actually the Fula version of an honorific (from the [undefined] Error: {{Lang-xx}}: no text ( help)) [a] that he acquired later in life. He was born Aamadu Hammadi Buubu in a family of the Bari "clan." His father, Hammadi Buubu, died when he was young, so he was raised by Hamman Lobbo, his father's younger brother. [1]. Some sources use Lobbo or Bari in referring to him. Arabic sources refer to him variously, such as [undefined] Error: {{Lang-xx}}: no text ( help) and [undefined] Error: {{Lang-xx}}: no text ( help). -- A12n ( talk) 02:50, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
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![]() | A fact from Seku Amadu appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 24 July 2005. The text of the entry was as follows:
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![]() | The contents of the Amadu's Jihad page were merged into Seku Amadu on 24 July 2024. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
I've changed Peul, which is French, to Fula. No problem with French en français, but it confuses readers in English to have different terms for the same group. If we use a term from another language the natural choice would be to use the Fulfulde/Pulaar term, Fulɓe. A12n 22:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
The spelling is highly variable.
The most common (Google) appears to be "Sekou Amadou". Aa77zz ( talk) 16:39, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I propose that Amadu's Jihad be merged into this article. Given the lack of available information the topic can easily be covered by the "Jihad" section in this article, which already gives more than the stand-alone article, and gives sources. This is not an irreversible decision. If enough information shows up to justify a stand-alone article it can be split out again, perhaps with a better title. Aymatth2 ( talk) 21:42, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Wow, that was quick. If I read it right, merger proposed 15 Feb. and executed 23 Feb.? For the record I would not have supported the merger. The jihad was an armed conflict that had specific details that the Amadu's Jihad stub did not yet include. I strongly suggest that if the aforementioned is not reinstated, that a new article on that conflict, however titled, should be created.
It is worth noting that there is also some overlap between two other articles related to Seku Amadu's career, namely Massina Empire and Hamdullahi, however these also should neither be merged with each other nor with this article. The historical Hamdullahi was a town that has retained some significance.
As a general rule I think that (1) merger proposals for specialized or less widely known topics should have longer discussion periods, given that the few who might have more knowledge of them may not get around to the issue so quickly, and (2) that articles on African topics when short may be assumed to be stubs and not necessarily reflect lack of either importance or further information that could be used to expand them.-- A12n ( talk) 06:58, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I reverted the name forms of Seku Amadu's successors to those more commonly seen in the literature and used locally in Mali. Also put two variant forms of his name in relation to languages in which they are used (French version; and Fula version seen in Bintou Sanankoua's book on Masina). Also inserted a succession box, though the title will need modification.-- A12n ( talk) 10:46, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I back-built the Arabic script version of the transliterated Arabic name in the opening paragraph with reference to the article "أحمدو لبو Ahmadu Lobbo" in the Arab Encyclopedia. Am suggesting to move the Fula language (Fulfulde) names to the more prominent positions given Seku Amadu was a Pullo.-- A12n ( talk) 09:45, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
This needs work but something like this would help the article: Naming customs of the period did not depend on a single legal name by which one is formally known, such as we are accustomed to expect today. citation needed Commonly, sons were named with reference to their father's name. In the case of learned and prominent individuals in Fula Muslim societies of the Sahel during this period, Arabic sources also recorded their names according to customs in that language. The name "Seeku" in Seeku Aamadu is actually the Fula version of an honorific (from the [undefined] Error: {{Lang-xx}}: no text ( help)) [a] that he acquired later in life. He was born Aamadu Hammadi Buubu in a family of the Bari "clan." His father, Hammadi Buubu, died when he was young, so he was raised by Hamman Lobbo, his father's younger brother. [1]. Some sources use Lobbo or Bari in referring to him. Arabic sources refer to him variously, such as [undefined] Error: {{Lang-xx}}: no text ( help) and [undefined] Error: {{Lang-xx}}: no text ( help). -- A12n ( talk) 02:50, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Cite error: There are <ref group=lower-alpha>
tags or {{efn}}
templates on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist|group=lower-alpha}}
template or {{notelist}}
template (see the
help page).