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This page should be moved to an English title (as per WP:UE). Should we use Intelligence Secretariat (Argentina) or something like that? — Pablo D. Flores ( Talk) 23:28, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
As per the Quality Guidelines, I want this article to be a top-notch Argentine A-class, or even a Featured one. If anybody else is interested on taking on such a project, please add on here what we should modify in the article. I am in the process of adquiring the new book by Gerardo Young, 'SIDE: La Argentina Secreta' to bring new information and references to the article. -- San Marcos 19:09, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
As with Operation Marilyn below, the story lacks citations, these claims are unsubstantiated and no mention can be found anywhere of such plans. Also, the claim that the operation failed because guns smuggled via diplomatic carriage were not freed by the Ambassador is ludicrous (as if weapons could not be obtained alternatively). I'm removing until further information is brought up.
See also notes below on Operacion Marilyn
The text about an alleged Operacion Marilyn, intended to obtain information from Cuban diplomats, does not contain any reference, it has not been mentioned in any widely available book about the SIDE, and a Google / Yahoo search gave no related results at all. If somebody knows a reliable reference please include within the text. Otherwise it should be considered an unverified rumor and removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.11.225 ( talk) 02:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
After reading through this article, I am delisting it for the following reasons:
The article has a lot of info, which is good. It just needs to be cited. When this is fixed it can be renominated at GAN. Wizardman 18:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Господа, я считаю, что нет никакой разведки Аргентины. был мертв в течение длительного времени, Истинный интеллект давно умер. Сегодня только VIP сервис для коррумпированных президентов у власти, которые принимают различные мероприятия запутанным, плачевное исследованиями, политикой и имеет важное значение для некоторых государственном секторе. Аргентина располагает сетью из бандитов в костюмах и эксклюзивные свободу для изучения других не менее коррумпированных политиков, которые находятся в или вне власти.
Я живу в Буэнос-Айресе. Учился в разведке Соединенных Штатов Америки. Аргентина и интеллект, подобны кормящих ребенка. принимать разбавленное молоко, и по этой причине, логика, никогда не будет расти здоровым.
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201.235.182.226 (
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22:41, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
The entire (or almost entire) article appears verbatim and without attibution, including even some spelling and grammar errors that I just corrected, in Heinz Duthel's book Secret and Intelligence Services I, Hidden Systems that deliver Unforgettable Customer Service, ISBN 9783738607710, pages 194 ff, also on Google books. The book was first published in 2006.
There are three possibilities here: (a) the entire Wikipedia article has been plagiarised from the book, (b) the book has been plagiarised from the Wikipedia article or (c) Heinz Duthel is the sole author of both. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2149:A000:8200:216:76FF:FE91:2064 ( talk) 17:42, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
I have flagged the article as potential copy/paste. However, checking pre-2006 versions of the Wikipedia article, I am inclined to believe that alternative (b) above is the case. The Wikipedia article grew organically, while the book seems to be a snapshot of Wikipedia at some point in 2005. For example, the edit https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Secretariat_of_Intelligence&type=revision&diff=21953951&oldid=21953101 split Operation Ciprés into a separate section and added a lot of text to it. The book includes a later version of this section. Given that the book was first published in 2006, if would have been impossible for the Wikipedia contributors to plagiarise it in 2005. Nevertheless, I'm leaving the copy/paste flag in place until the issue has been thoroughly discussed. 2A02:2149:A000:8200:216:76FF:FE91:2064 ( talk) 18:27, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
There has been no discussion on the subject, but an article on heise.de (in German, machine translation here) seems to settle the issue: Heinz Duthel makes a living by selling the content of third-party websites such as Wikipedia, as books on Amazon. According to the same source (in German, machine translation here), this practice is widespread and Heinz Duthel is only one of many such fraudsters. I am removing the {copypaste} banner from the article. Someone at the Wikimedia Foundation legal department needs to go after Amazon and I smell there a very good source of funding for Wikipedia. 2A02:2149:A000:8200:216:76FF:FE91:2064 ( talk) 21:31, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
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This page should be moved to an English title (as per WP:UE). Should we use Intelligence Secretariat (Argentina) or something like that? — Pablo D. Flores ( Talk) 23:28, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
As per the Quality Guidelines, I want this article to be a top-notch Argentine A-class, or even a Featured one. If anybody else is interested on taking on such a project, please add on here what we should modify in the article. I am in the process of adquiring the new book by Gerardo Young, 'SIDE: La Argentina Secreta' to bring new information and references to the article. -- San Marcos 19:09, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
As with Operation Marilyn below, the story lacks citations, these claims are unsubstantiated and no mention can be found anywhere of such plans. Also, the claim that the operation failed because guns smuggled via diplomatic carriage were not freed by the Ambassador is ludicrous (as if weapons could not be obtained alternatively). I'm removing until further information is brought up.
See also notes below on Operacion Marilyn
The text about an alleged Operacion Marilyn, intended to obtain information from Cuban diplomats, does not contain any reference, it has not been mentioned in any widely available book about the SIDE, and a Google / Yahoo search gave no related results at all. If somebody knows a reliable reference please include within the text. Otherwise it should be considered an unverified rumor and removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.11.225 ( talk) 02:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
After reading through this article, I am delisting it for the following reasons:
The article has a lot of info, which is good. It just needs to be cited. When this is fixed it can be renominated at GAN. Wizardman 18:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Господа, я считаю, что нет никакой разведки Аргентины. был мертв в течение длительного времени, Истинный интеллект давно умер. Сегодня только VIP сервис для коррумпированных президентов у власти, которые принимают различные мероприятия запутанным, плачевное исследованиями, политикой и имеет важное значение для некоторых государственном секторе. Аргентина располагает сетью из бандитов в костюмах и эксклюзивные свободу для изучения других не менее коррумпированных политиков, которые находятся в или вне власти.
Я живу в Буэнос-Айресе. Учился в разведке Соединенных Штатов Америки. Аргентина и интеллект, подобны кормящих ребенка. принимать разбавленное молоко, и по этой причине, логика, никогда не будет расти здоровым.
A-9154 — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
201.235.182.226 (
talk)
22:41, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
The entire (or almost entire) article appears verbatim and without attibution, including even some spelling and grammar errors that I just corrected, in Heinz Duthel's book Secret and Intelligence Services I, Hidden Systems that deliver Unforgettable Customer Service, ISBN 9783738607710, pages 194 ff, also on Google books. The book was first published in 2006.
There are three possibilities here: (a) the entire Wikipedia article has been plagiarised from the book, (b) the book has been plagiarised from the Wikipedia article or (c) Heinz Duthel is the sole author of both. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2149:A000:8200:216:76FF:FE91:2064 ( talk) 17:42, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
I have flagged the article as potential copy/paste. However, checking pre-2006 versions of the Wikipedia article, I am inclined to believe that alternative (b) above is the case. The Wikipedia article grew organically, while the book seems to be a snapshot of Wikipedia at some point in 2005. For example, the edit https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Secretariat_of_Intelligence&type=revision&diff=21953951&oldid=21953101 split Operation Ciprés into a separate section and added a lot of text to it. The book includes a later version of this section. Given that the book was first published in 2006, if would have been impossible for the Wikipedia contributors to plagiarise it in 2005. Nevertheless, I'm leaving the copy/paste flag in place until the issue has been thoroughly discussed. 2A02:2149:A000:8200:216:76FF:FE91:2064 ( talk) 18:27, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
There has been no discussion on the subject, but an article on heise.de (in German, machine translation here) seems to settle the issue: Heinz Duthel makes a living by selling the content of third-party websites such as Wikipedia, as books on Amazon. According to the same source (in German, machine translation here), this practice is widespread and Heinz Duthel is only one of many such fraudsters. I am removing the {copypaste} banner from the article. Someone at the Wikimedia Foundation legal department needs to go after Amazon and I smell there a very good source of funding for Wikipedia. 2A02:2149:A000:8200:216:76FF:FE91:2064 ( talk) 21:31, 24 March 2018 (UTC)