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I removed the "citations needed". This isn't exactly a scholarly article, so I hardly think citations are really required. Besides which, everything on this page can be easily confirmed on the label website. Perhaps I'm out of line here, if so I hope older and wiser heads will correct me. Matheson 02:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, google test is quite surprising. I almost vfd'd it. -- Natalinasmpf 20:28, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
"Persian and other Arabian music"?? What does that mean? Persians are not Arabs.. Did the writer mean Middle Eastern music or something? Real ignorance..—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.104.30.244 ( talk • contribs) 09:09, 1 January 2007
"Ishraqiyun borrowing heavily from Turkish music" WTF!!! It's the turkish who borrow heavily from the Persian, Bulgarian, Armenian, Kurdish, Greek and other folks' music! Wikipedia is full of turkic crappy propaganda! Stop it, you embarass yourselves, neo-turkists or whatever you call yourselves. Persians are not turks, neither the Bulgarians, neither the Sumerians! And yes, "Turkic" is LINGUISTICAL classification, not ethnical!
Do NOT remove the name of Wahid Azal from the list of influences on the Secret Chiefs3. If you have a problem with including his name, go talk to Trey Spruance yourself and he'll tell you. And the article removed was a political decision on the part of the wikipedia editors. It will be back up again soon SecretChiefs3 03:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
This is pure, utter nonsense and the decision was clearly politically motivated. The original article on Azal provided citations to Azal's published works; proof of his notability in the occult community; his notability in being the most prominent and public anti-Bahai critic; citations to influences, etc. All the basic rules above were adhered to, and to the letter, which is more than one can say for many other articles presently on wikipedia which have not been deleted. I am happy to resubmit the original article in full again for your edification in order to prove the clear political motivations involved (and dare one say, personal malice) smokescreening under Wikipedia guidelines. Now this is an article on the Secret Chiefs 3 which included Azal's name in the list of influences. The name was removed by you until I put it back in. You have not offered any explanation as to why you did it here. None. This demonstrates and reinforces the allegation for malice and political motivation involved for deleting the other article-- clearly! It also shows that certain Wikipedia editors are suspiciously monitoring and inordinately interested in any/every article that mentions him by name. Eminently this falls within the orbit of violations of Wikipedia's ToS SecretChiefs3 05:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
This article seems too heavy into the use of this band's acronym. Though meant to reduce the feeling of redundancy, it seems too lax. Would it be more appropriate to selectively reduce the number of instances in which the band's name must appear and generally use their full name? -- Pixel Eater ( talk) 07:35, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Where exactly does it say that? The quoted page ( http://www.webofmimicry.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=88) merely says that the album should've been released last fall (2010). So far, I haven't heard of a new release date. -- Fibbo ( talk) 11:38, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
The article's been recently deprived of all information concerning "Satellite bands", a very important part of today's identity of SC3 and definitely a unique trait of the band. The reason behind the cancellation of those contents was that the band is allegedly too marginal to deserve such a comprehensive wikipedia entry. I personally don't agree: first of all, the band is quite well-known around the web (see the number of ratings on https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/secret_chiefs_3 ); secondly, information about band members and musical genres is essential for every artist, from the more celebrated to the more obsure one. SC3 has a complex structure of sub-bands with different members covering different musical styles: that's the reason why a level of detail is required which is a bit more deep than most other bands. A few days after my restoration of the complete article, the information was cancelled again, this time arguing that most information is unsourced. That's definitely a legitimate critique, but if one agrees with the importance of showcasing a comprehensive description of the Satellite Bands substructure one should also make his best to make it more complete and well-referenced. Removing information is not an option: the best viable way is in my opinion specifying what information is unsourced with the [citation needed] mark and work together with other users in order to provide it with the most appropriate references. Since I have no intention to press the issue further, and believe that keeping on playing a "delete/restore" game'd be pretty much useless, I encourage users to express their opinion and discuss the theme before taking other actions. I'm sure that a most satisfying solution can be found for both sides of the controversy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.55.123.200 ( talk) 20:30, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
When I see large chunks of text edited, restored, deleted it tends to catch my eye. I personally don't add material to, or create an article with few or no references. Adding a 'citation needed' after every unsourced statement seems pretty useless and actually doesn't accomplish anything except make an article look like it consists of someone's own opinion or possibly fabricated. Don't write it if you can't cite a reference to back up you think the article should say. If you can't reference something, then don't write it. It's wimpy to write something and then assume some other editor is somehow going to come along and research the unsourced statements that you have written.
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I removed the "citations needed". This isn't exactly a scholarly article, so I hardly think citations are really required. Besides which, everything on this page can be easily confirmed on the label website. Perhaps I'm out of line here, if so I hope older and wiser heads will correct me. Matheson 02:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, google test is quite surprising. I almost vfd'd it. -- Natalinasmpf 20:28, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
"Persian and other Arabian music"?? What does that mean? Persians are not Arabs.. Did the writer mean Middle Eastern music or something? Real ignorance..—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.104.30.244 ( talk • contribs) 09:09, 1 January 2007
"Ishraqiyun borrowing heavily from Turkish music" WTF!!! It's the turkish who borrow heavily from the Persian, Bulgarian, Armenian, Kurdish, Greek and other folks' music! Wikipedia is full of turkic crappy propaganda! Stop it, you embarass yourselves, neo-turkists or whatever you call yourselves. Persians are not turks, neither the Bulgarians, neither the Sumerians! And yes, "Turkic" is LINGUISTICAL classification, not ethnical!
Do NOT remove the name of Wahid Azal from the list of influences on the Secret Chiefs3. If you have a problem with including his name, go talk to Trey Spruance yourself and he'll tell you. And the article removed was a political decision on the part of the wikipedia editors. It will be back up again soon SecretChiefs3 03:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
This is pure, utter nonsense and the decision was clearly politically motivated. The original article on Azal provided citations to Azal's published works; proof of his notability in the occult community; his notability in being the most prominent and public anti-Bahai critic; citations to influences, etc. All the basic rules above were adhered to, and to the letter, which is more than one can say for many other articles presently on wikipedia which have not been deleted. I am happy to resubmit the original article in full again for your edification in order to prove the clear political motivations involved (and dare one say, personal malice) smokescreening under Wikipedia guidelines. Now this is an article on the Secret Chiefs 3 which included Azal's name in the list of influences. The name was removed by you until I put it back in. You have not offered any explanation as to why you did it here. None. This demonstrates and reinforces the allegation for malice and political motivation involved for deleting the other article-- clearly! It also shows that certain Wikipedia editors are suspiciously monitoring and inordinately interested in any/every article that mentions him by name. Eminently this falls within the orbit of violations of Wikipedia's ToS SecretChiefs3 05:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
This article seems too heavy into the use of this band's acronym. Though meant to reduce the feeling of redundancy, it seems too lax. Would it be more appropriate to selectively reduce the number of instances in which the band's name must appear and generally use their full name? -- Pixel Eater ( talk) 07:35, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Where exactly does it say that? The quoted page ( http://www.webofmimicry.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=88) merely says that the album should've been released last fall (2010). So far, I haven't heard of a new release date. -- Fibbo ( talk) 11:38, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
The article's been recently deprived of all information concerning "Satellite bands", a very important part of today's identity of SC3 and definitely a unique trait of the band. The reason behind the cancellation of those contents was that the band is allegedly too marginal to deserve such a comprehensive wikipedia entry. I personally don't agree: first of all, the band is quite well-known around the web (see the number of ratings on https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/secret_chiefs_3 ); secondly, information about band members and musical genres is essential for every artist, from the more celebrated to the more obsure one. SC3 has a complex structure of sub-bands with different members covering different musical styles: that's the reason why a level of detail is required which is a bit more deep than most other bands. A few days after my restoration of the complete article, the information was cancelled again, this time arguing that most information is unsourced. That's definitely a legitimate critique, but if one agrees with the importance of showcasing a comprehensive description of the Satellite Bands substructure one should also make his best to make it more complete and well-referenced. Removing information is not an option: the best viable way is in my opinion specifying what information is unsourced with the [citation needed] mark and work together with other users in order to provide it with the most appropriate references. Since I have no intention to press the issue further, and believe that keeping on playing a "delete/restore" game'd be pretty much useless, I encourage users to express their opinion and discuss the theme before taking other actions. I'm sure that a most satisfying solution can be found for both sides of the controversy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.55.123.200 ( talk) 20:30, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
When I see large chunks of text edited, restored, deleted it tends to catch my eye. I personally don't add material to, or create an article with few or no references. Adding a 'citation needed' after every unsourced statement seems pretty useless and actually doesn't accomplish anything except make an article look like it consists of someone's own opinion or possibly fabricated. Don't write it if you can't cite a reference to back up you think the article should say. If you can't reference something, then don't write it. It's wimpy to write something and then assume some other editor is somehow going to come along and research the unsourced statements that you have written.