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Having Syrian mercenaries is just ridiculous considering Azerbaijan as one of the most irreligious countries in the world and also having 3 times more population than the opponent country and many more military advances. As a citizen, I am extremely offended by this and I find it wrong to add this kind of info without having reliable source and proof.
151.71.255.147 (
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19:39, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Isn't it true that Pakistan provided diplomatic support to Azerbaijan throughout the conflict?
Even in the
Armenia-Pakistan relations article, it mentions this. In 2015, they went as far as to say the recognition of Armenia is contingent on the Armenians leaving the disputed zone. And they openly celebrated and praised the cease-fire when it happened.
OperativePhase33 (
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04:16, 9 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm confused, where does it say that in the documentation? And if it's reliably sourced content, why can't we make an exception even if true?
Vanezi (
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06:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)reply
It is quite specific as to what is permitted under the result parameter. It does not includes dot-points.
WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE tells us not to write the article in the infobox and that less is better. This infobox is excessively bloated and such "detail" contributes to this. The infobox is unsuited to prose or prose like statements. That is what the lead is for.
Cinderella157 (
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09:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Vanezi Astghik, the belligerents section is for state players or similar - not just anybody that wants to throw an iron in the fire. Just like the PPK, Syrian mercenaries and Armenian diaspora volunteers are not state players that would be listed as belligerents in the infobox - regardless of sources that say they were present. It is a miscategorisation.
Cinderella157 (
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02:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Cinderella157 I am not sure where you are quoting "state players or similar" from, but according to the
military conflict infobox template: particular units, formations, or groups may be indicated if doing so improves reader understanding. So you were right to unlist Armenian diaspora volunteers because that refers to unrelated individual cases, not any kind of group. But the
Syrian National Army is clearly its own group, and very relevant because its units were in the frontlines.
Vanezi (
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18:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The infobox listed Syrian mercenaries, with sources to support this description even though the link was piped to
Syrian National Army. The sourcing does not appear to support this piping. Furthermore, it as alleged that they were recruited by Turkey. What I was quoting was from my edit summary.
Cinderella157 (
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22:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
There are reliable sources confirming Syrian mercenaries from the Syrian National Army.
Although Azerbaijan and its ally Turkey deny the use of mercenaries, researchers have amassed a considerable amount of photographic evidence, drawn from videos and photographs the fighters have posted online, which tells a different story.
[1]
According to sources within the Syrian National Army (SNA), the umbrella term for a group of opposition militias backed by Turkey, around 1,500 Syrians have so far been deployed to the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region in the southern Caucasus ... Shortly after conflict erupted between Armenia and Azerbaijan, Turkey sought to mobilize the SNA, sometimes called Turkey’s proxy army ... The first fighters were transferred in late September to southern Turkey and then flown from Gaziantep to Ankara, before being transferred to Azerbaijan on Sept. 25.
[2]
The only error was the mercenaries were bullet pointed under Azerbaijan. From what these sources confirm, the mercenaries should instead be under Turkey, and the "alleged" comment should be removed.
Vanezi (
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16:41, 16 July 2024 (UTC)reply
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Having Syrian mercenaries is just ridiculous considering Azerbaijan as one of the most irreligious countries in the world and also having 3 times more population than the opponent country and many more military advances. As a citizen, I am extremely offended by this and I find it wrong to add this kind of info without having reliable source and proof.
151.71.255.147 (
talk)
19:39, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Isn't it true that Pakistan provided diplomatic support to Azerbaijan throughout the conflict?
Even in the
Armenia-Pakistan relations article, it mentions this. In 2015, they went as far as to say the recognition of Armenia is contingent on the Armenians leaving the disputed zone. And they openly celebrated and praised the cease-fire when it happened.
OperativePhase33 (
talk)
04:16, 9 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm confused, where does it say that in the documentation? And if it's reliably sourced content, why can't we make an exception even if true?
Vanezi (
talk)
06:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)reply
It is quite specific as to what is permitted under the result parameter. It does not includes dot-points.
WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE tells us not to write the article in the infobox and that less is better. This infobox is excessively bloated and such "detail" contributes to this. The infobox is unsuited to prose or prose like statements. That is what the lead is for.
Cinderella157 (
talk)
09:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Vanezi Astghik, the belligerents section is for state players or similar - not just anybody that wants to throw an iron in the fire. Just like the PPK, Syrian mercenaries and Armenian diaspora volunteers are not state players that would be listed as belligerents in the infobox - regardless of sources that say they were present. It is a miscategorisation.
Cinderella157 (
talk)
02:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Cinderella157 I am not sure where you are quoting "state players or similar" from, but according to the
military conflict infobox template: particular units, formations, or groups may be indicated if doing so improves reader understanding. So you were right to unlist Armenian diaspora volunteers because that refers to unrelated individual cases, not any kind of group. But the
Syrian National Army is clearly its own group, and very relevant because its units were in the frontlines.
Vanezi (
talk)
18:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The infobox listed Syrian mercenaries, with sources to support this description even though the link was piped to
Syrian National Army. The sourcing does not appear to support this piping. Furthermore, it as alleged that they were recruited by Turkey. What I was quoting was from my edit summary.
Cinderella157 (
talk)
22:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
There are reliable sources confirming Syrian mercenaries from the Syrian National Army.
Although Azerbaijan and its ally Turkey deny the use of mercenaries, researchers have amassed a considerable amount of photographic evidence, drawn from videos and photographs the fighters have posted online, which tells a different story.
[1]
According to sources within the Syrian National Army (SNA), the umbrella term for a group of opposition militias backed by Turkey, around 1,500 Syrians have so far been deployed to the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region in the southern Caucasus ... Shortly after conflict erupted between Armenia and Azerbaijan, Turkey sought to mobilize the SNA, sometimes called Turkey’s proxy army ... The first fighters were transferred in late September to southern Turkey and then flown from Gaziantep to Ankara, before being transferred to Azerbaijan on Sept. 25.
[2]
The only error was the mercenaries were bullet pointed under Azerbaijan. From what these sources confirm, the mercenaries should instead be under Turkey, and the "alleged" comment should be removed.
Vanezi (
talk)
16:41, 16 July 2024 (UTC)reply