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One of the difficult decisions relating to this entry is what to call it.
Cass Sunstein's 2004 book on these rights has as title The Second Bill of Rights.
Sunstein's subtitle is FDR's Unfinished Revolution, and, Why we Need It More Than Ever.
Commonly, the rights are called plain Economic Rights.
Commonly they are also thought to be our missing Civil Rights or unrealized Human Rights.
Also, these rights are presented as the foundation for an Economic Democracy or Welfare State.
The rights are relevant to political economy -- but not to conventional economics apart from politics.
Roosevelt's main concern was winning a war and preventing the next war. He saw these rights as strategic.
Few poeple today see them that way. Yet they may be strategic -- and concern for strategic rights today, in the middle of a war to democratize as much of the world as possible (to avoid nculear war), is a vital concern of all readers and writers of wikipedia.
If President Roosevelt was right, and only by establishing his economic rights in fact (as well as law) can wikipedia's people hope to survive, then it would be sad to complete a great encyclopedia with pages missing that might have saved their lives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johngelles ( talk • contribs) 23:52, 25 April 2005 (UTC)
Or you can call it what it is: socialism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.238.191.22 ( talk) 18:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
deletion debate: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Franklin Roosevelt's Second Bill of Rights 12:03, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
The current photo at the head of the article was taken in 1933 during his first fireside chat. Maybe we should find a more contemporaneous image for this article? THD3 ( talk) 18:04, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
This article contains very few citations, and of the three currently listed in the page's footnotes (there are few in-line citations): one is barely relevant to this article on a 20th-century speech (a citation stating that an unspecified "last phrase" was used in a 1762 law case), one citation link is non-functional (the State of the Union Address link in the footnotes), and the third citation is to Michael Moore's controversial documentary film (rather than to, perhaps, the sources his film cites for the origin of the documents).
In short, this article needs more citations, better citations, and more in-line citations.
I have added in a couple in-line "needs citation" tags to these purposes.
This article is of some importance, and should be properly cited to reflect this.
Works of Sweat ( talk) 20:38, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm working on the french page witch I'm begining to translate. I just found some links that might intrest you
some more about the condition of the speech at the fdr presidential library and museum, plus original pictures of the text [1]
history of presidents speeches with some estimation for roosevelt listener (60M 1933 ; 100M 1947) at the white house historical association [2]
also this one about michael moore's "dig up" [3]
I also put updated links for the original and complete speech in the french page.
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One of the difficult decisions relating to this entry is what to call it.
Cass Sunstein's 2004 book on these rights has as title The Second Bill of Rights.
Sunstein's subtitle is FDR's Unfinished Revolution, and, Why we Need It More Than Ever.
Commonly, the rights are called plain Economic Rights.
Commonly they are also thought to be our missing Civil Rights or unrealized Human Rights.
Also, these rights are presented as the foundation for an Economic Democracy or Welfare State.
The rights are relevant to political economy -- but not to conventional economics apart from politics.
Roosevelt's main concern was winning a war and preventing the next war. He saw these rights as strategic.
Few poeple today see them that way. Yet they may be strategic -- and concern for strategic rights today, in the middle of a war to democratize as much of the world as possible (to avoid nculear war), is a vital concern of all readers and writers of wikipedia.
If President Roosevelt was right, and only by establishing his economic rights in fact (as well as law) can wikipedia's people hope to survive, then it would be sad to complete a great encyclopedia with pages missing that might have saved their lives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johngelles ( talk • contribs) 23:52, 25 April 2005 (UTC)
Or you can call it what it is: socialism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.238.191.22 ( talk) 18:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
deletion debate: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Franklin Roosevelt's Second Bill of Rights 12:03, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
The current photo at the head of the article was taken in 1933 during his first fireside chat. Maybe we should find a more contemporaneous image for this article? THD3 ( talk) 18:04, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
This article contains very few citations, and of the three currently listed in the page's footnotes (there are few in-line citations): one is barely relevant to this article on a 20th-century speech (a citation stating that an unspecified "last phrase" was used in a 1762 law case), one citation link is non-functional (the State of the Union Address link in the footnotes), and the third citation is to Michael Moore's controversial documentary film (rather than to, perhaps, the sources his film cites for the origin of the documents).
In short, this article needs more citations, better citations, and more in-line citations.
I have added in a couple in-line "needs citation" tags to these purposes.
This article is of some importance, and should be properly cited to reflect this.
Works of Sweat ( talk) 20:38, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm working on the french page witch I'm begining to translate. I just found some links that might intrest you
some more about the condition of the speech at the fdr presidential library and museum, plus original pictures of the text [1]
history of presidents speeches with some estimation for roosevelt listener (60M 1933 ; 100M 1947) at the white house historical association [2]
also this one about michael moore's "dig up" [3]
I also put updated links for the original and complete speech in the french page.