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I have uploaded a number of historical photographs from Library and Archives Canada a well as a number of paintings done by official war artists during the campaign. I thought this might improve the variety of quality historical images available to the article. Labattblueboy ( talk) 09:28, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I am in the midst of expanding the article and improving the quality of the cited sources in hopes of getting it to GA quality. Any help would be appreciated. Labattblueboy ( talk) 23:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
6t5I have been having some difficulty finding and developing an order of battle for the entente. Most publications focus only on the Canadian participation. Here is what I have so far, am I missing anything? Does anyone know what the two french divisions were.
Labattblueboy ( talk) 20:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Ger, 11th Bav opp CC, 238th Eingreif. OH p. 351. 238th relieved 11th Bav night 26/27th & 39th became Eingreif. OH p. 353 fn 2. First Army
I've returned the background section to the previously stable version. Before we go about editing git, what are the current issues that require modification?-- Labattblueboy ( talk) 18:16, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Almost always.... August didn't go to plan for either side Keith-264 ( talk) 20:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Found a home for the preliminary operations excised from 1st Pass and synchronised section titles. Keith-264 ( talk) 09:58, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Fleshed out the flanking operations and threaded the narrative into existing material. Keith-264 ( talk) 20:44, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Did sfn's to new material. Keith-264 ( talk) 08:00, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Did sfn's to the rest, sfn footnoting complete for all the 3rd Ypres pages. Keith-264 ( talk) 10:15, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Put pp in for page references and – instead of - as per peer review advice for Messines and the other Passchendaele pages. Keith-264 ( talk) 14:57, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Added some detail and better sources for X Corps operations on 26 September, found references for the VC section and applied AutoEd, which might be taking out spaces put in by other editing tools. Keith-264 ( talk) 01:11, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Your cuts to the additions I made look like they keep the sense of the new material, while returning the balance of the article closer to what it was, which I agree makes sense for the page, although it seems to me that they were part of an operation originally intended to go as far as Westroozebeke, rather than stop at Passchendaele. Diversion of the Germans from the Malmaison and Cambrai attacks also seem to be part of a whole in late October-December, so the subsidiary/minor attacks on the flanks are more significant in my reading of the material (the 63rd Division night attacks achieved more than the bigger day operations of 26 and 30 October, which may have infuenced the subsequent operation of 2/3 December) which is to say they were part of one operation not coincidental to the CC attacks. If you look at maps for the end of the advance, the northern flank moved forward as well as the central area around Passchendaele. The balance of sources contemporary with us does somewhat emphasise the Canadian Corps operations though, which the page should reflect. http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/3188/ (A moonlight massacre: the night operation on the Passchendaele Ridge, 2 December 1917) may help when it's out in July. I don't mind you pruning to the "subsequent operations" section to rebalance the article, since my descriptive style isn't to everyone's taste. Keith-264 ( talk) 07:49, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Added a little detail from the RND history - casualties and operations. Keith-264 ( talk) 17:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
"Moving troops to the front ahead of the attack was nonetheless extremely difficult as the only means of approaching the front line were narrow boardwalks made of wood planking which wound between the shell-holes. Slipping off the duckboards could often be deadly with unfortunate soldiers frequently drowning in mud under the weight of their own equipment." Does the source define frequently? Given the number of soldiers I would have thought that drowning was one of the lesser risks they ran, certainly less likely than being killed by artillery and gunshots. Are we not straying into the arena of legend about Ypres rather than a rare danger which occurred elsewhere like the Ancre valley in late 1916-early 1917? Keith-264 ( talk) 21:37, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Found a source at last and have been able to add a brief narrative of operations on the northern flank of the battlefront. Does anyone think there's now enough material to split the page? Keith-264 ( talk) 15:49, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Added a sub-heading (as I wasn't sure how casualties have been recorded on this page) for data gleaned from Der Weltkrieg. Feel free to copy-edit as usual. Keith-264 ( talk) 13:55, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Revised the preliminary operations section now that the operations of 22 October article is complete. Keith-264 ( talk) 22:18, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Checked sources and amended a few details, swapped to efn for simplicity, cut a dupe wikilink, ce where the passage had a green line (mostly mine) and misc tidy ups. Keith-264 ( talk) 23:32, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
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I have uploaded a number of historical photographs from Library and Archives Canada a well as a number of paintings done by official war artists during the campaign. I thought this might improve the variety of quality historical images available to the article. Labattblueboy ( talk) 09:28, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I am in the midst of expanding the article and improving the quality of the cited sources in hopes of getting it to GA quality. Any help would be appreciated. Labattblueboy ( talk) 23:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
6t5I have been having some difficulty finding and developing an order of battle for the entente. Most publications focus only on the Canadian participation. Here is what I have so far, am I missing anything? Does anyone know what the two french divisions were.
Labattblueboy ( talk) 20:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Ger, 11th Bav opp CC, 238th Eingreif. OH p. 351. 238th relieved 11th Bav night 26/27th & 39th became Eingreif. OH p. 353 fn 2. First Army
I've returned the background section to the previously stable version. Before we go about editing git, what are the current issues that require modification?-- Labattblueboy ( talk) 18:16, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Almost always.... August didn't go to plan for either side Keith-264 ( talk) 20:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Found a home for the preliminary operations excised from 1st Pass and synchronised section titles. Keith-264 ( talk) 09:58, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Fleshed out the flanking operations and threaded the narrative into existing material. Keith-264 ( talk) 20:44, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Did sfn's to new material. Keith-264 ( talk) 08:00, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Did sfn's to the rest, sfn footnoting complete for all the 3rd Ypres pages. Keith-264 ( talk) 10:15, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Put pp in for page references and – instead of - as per peer review advice for Messines and the other Passchendaele pages. Keith-264 ( talk) 14:57, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Added some detail and better sources for X Corps operations on 26 September, found references for the VC section and applied AutoEd, which might be taking out spaces put in by other editing tools. Keith-264 ( talk) 01:11, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Your cuts to the additions I made look like they keep the sense of the new material, while returning the balance of the article closer to what it was, which I agree makes sense for the page, although it seems to me that they were part of an operation originally intended to go as far as Westroozebeke, rather than stop at Passchendaele. Diversion of the Germans from the Malmaison and Cambrai attacks also seem to be part of a whole in late October-December, so the subsidiary/minor attacks on the flanks are more significant in my reading of the material (the 63rd Division night attacks achieved more than the bigger day operations of 26 and 30 October, which may have infuenced the subsequent operation of 2/3 December) which is to say they were part of one operation not coincidental to the CC attacks. If you look at maps for the end of the advance, the northern flank moved forward as well as the central area around Passchendaele. The balance of sources contemporary with us does somewhat emphasise the Canadian Corps operations though, which the page should reflect. http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/3188/ (A moonlight massacre: the night operation on the Passchendaele Ridge, 2 December 1917) may help when it's out in July. I don't mind you pruning to the "subsequent operations" section to rebalance the article, since my descriptive style isn't to everyone's taste. Keith-264 ( talk) 07:49, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Added a little detail from the RND history - casualties and operations. Keith-264 ( talk) 17:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
"Moving troops to the front ahead of the attack was nonetheless extremely difficult as the only means of approaching the front line were narrow boardwalks made of wood planking which wound between the shell-holes. Slipping off the duckboards could often be deadly with unfortunate soldiers frequently drowning in mud under the weight of their own equipment." Does the source define frequently? Given the number of soldiers I would have thought that drowning was one of the lesser risks they ran, certainly less likely than being killed by artillery and gunshots. Are we not straying into the arena of legend about Ypres rather than a rare danger which occurred elsewhere like the Ancre valley in late 1916-early 1917? Keith-264 ( talk) 21:37, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Found a source at last and have been able to add a brief narrative of operations on the northern flank of the battlefront. Does anyone think there's now enough material to split the page? Keith-264 ( talk) 15:49, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Added a sub-heading (as I wasn't sure how casualties have been recorded on this page) for data gleaned from Der Weltkrieg. Feel free to copy-edit as usual. Keith-264 ( talk) 13:55, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Revised the preliminary operations section now that the operations of 22 October article is complete. Keith-264 ( talk) 22:18, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Checked sources and amended a few details, swapped to efn for simplicity, cut a dupe wikilink, ce where the passage had a green line (mostly mine) and misc tidy ups. Keith-264 ( talk) 23:32, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
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Tidied prose, transposed the 63rd and 58th divisions checked the French section. Keith-264 ( talk) 14:50, 10 February 2018 (UTC)