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The caption of the first photograph at present reads; "24 October 1942: Soldiers of the 9th Australian Infantry [my emphasis] Division in a posed attack", which on examination of the original, says: British infantry.... There is also no mention of a "posed attack", (as commented on above), either Australian or British.
Which is correct?
RASAM ( talk) 14:53, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
RASAM ( talk) 15:01, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
RASAM ( talk) 10:17, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
A "British victory"? Given the infobox details? Shall we, User:Keith-264, revisit all the battles of WWII and substitute the "main protagonist" for "allies"? Juan Riley ( talk) 19:20, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
The choice of term should reflect what the sources say. Keith-264 ( talk) 19:29, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
You all do realize where this leads? [Perhaps to people saying better actually read a history book than believe the crap I see on WP? Which would be good.] But I meant it as an example to be used on other pages. Juan Riley ( talk) 23:36, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
I have heard that the origin of the common phrase "BFE" originated in the buildup for the Second Battle Of El Alamein. The destination for the dummy pipeline was allegedly Bumfuq. I recollect seeing a map of Egypt with a dot representing a hamlet or oasis with this name in southwest Eqypt. Can anyone confirm? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.212.236 ( talk) 17:11, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Changed the errant harvnb Playfair cites to sfn for simplicity after someone botched a format conversion then managed to duplicate the article when transferring back from Word; think that's sorted out now. Will continue as and when. Keith-264 ( talk) 15:40, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
First things first, can we get an archive for this talk page? And second, I propose that we move the staged photograph elsewhere in the article and put one that was taken during legitimate battle. - Indy beetle ( talk) 20:26, 19 November 2017 (UTC) Agree agree, someone on the Milhist talk page will know how to add an archive. Keith-264 ( talk) 20:55, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
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The analysis had the word decisive in it but this wasn't supported by the Churchill citation. Sometimes it's used as a synonym for big and sometimes it is used in the Clausewitzian sense of war-determining, the point (with hindsight) that the result of a war became inevitable. I think we should use the latter sense to avoid hyperbole in the infobox. I suggest that the proper result is British victory since this is what the RS say. Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 08:04, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
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The caption of the first photograph at present reads; "24 October 1942: Soldiers of the 9th Australian Infantry [my emphasis] Division in a posed attack", which on examination of the original, says: British infantry.... There is also no mention of a "posed attack", (as commented on above), either Australian or British.
Which is correct?
RASAM ( talk) 14:53, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
RASAM ( talk) 15:01, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
RASAM ( talk) 10:17, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
A "British victory"? Given the infobox details? Shall we, User:Keith-264, revisit all the battles of WWII and substitute the "main protagonist" for "allies"? Juan Riley ( talk) 19:20, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
The choice of term should reflect what the sources say. Keith-264 ( talk) 19:29, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
You all do realize where this leads? [Perhaps to people saying better actually read a history book than believe the crap I see on WP? Which would be good.] But I meant it as an example to be used on other pages. Juan Riley ( talk) 23:36, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
I have heard that the origin of the common phrase "BFE" originated in the buildup for the Second Battle Of El Alamein. The destination for the dummy pipeline was allegedly Bumfuq. I recollect seeing a map of Egypt with a dot representing a hamlet or oasis with this name in southwest Eqypt. Can anyone confirm? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.212.236 ( talk) 17:11, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Changed the errant harvnb Playfair cites to sfn for simplicity after someone botched a format conversion then managed to duplicate the article when transferring back from Word; think that's sorted out now. Will continue as and when. Keith-264 ( talk) 15:40, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
First things first, can we get an archive for this talk page? And second, I propose that we move the staged photograph elsewhere in the article and put one that was taken during legitimate battle. - Indy beetle ( talk) 20:26, 19 November 2017 (UTC) Agree agree, someone on the Milhist talk page will know how to add an archive. Keith-264 ( talk) 20:55, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
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The analysis had the word decisive in it but this wasn't supported by the Churchill citation. Sometimes it's used as a synonym for big and sometimes it is used in the Clausewitzian sense of war-determining, the point (with hindsight) that the result of a war became inevitable. I think we should use the latter sense to avoid hyperbole in the infobox. I suggest that the proper result is British victory since this is what the RS say. Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 08:04, 21 October 2016 (UTC)