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he is not the president of Lan and he currently is not a board member of any companies.
He got 46% of the votes in the runoff election —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.156.183 ( talk) 23:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
A couple of observations: 1. the entry says nothing about his family life (wife? children?). This strikes me as relevant info. 2. the description of his pre-politics career seems incomplete and somewhat contradictory. Incomplete: what was his path to such extraordinary riches? There must be a story there! Contradictory: I read both that he was an "educator" until 1988; elsewhere I read that he was involved in the credit card business in the 1970s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.15.139.81 ( talk) 05:27, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Almost half of this section refers irregularities in the business life of Sebastian Pinera. I don´t mean that such events have not occurred, but definitely the importance given to these facts does not fit with his history as an entrepreneur. Sebastian Pinera don´t have a spotless history, but definitely he is not a corrupt businessman and (more important) Chileans have not elected a corrupt President, which I think is presumed in this section of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.160.84.161 ( talk) 16:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Is anything known about the man's political viewpoints and possible involvement during the Pinochet dictatorship? Such information is suspiciously missing in the article. 77.162.130.139 ( talk) 18:14, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
This Article is totally biassed by socialists!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.155.57.63 ( talk) 20:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Biased by socialists? I hope you are kidding??? Missing here is the corruption scandal, but also Piñera's public No at the referendum about continuing the Pinochet dictatorship.
SereneLemon (
talk)
21:45, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
I suggest to add this: In July 2006, Piñera was fined U$ 700,000 for buying shares of the airline LAN Chile while in possession of privileged information. Piñera bought 3 million LAN shares the day before the company’s second-quarter results were published. The results showed its first-half profit had risen 32%, and its shares rose sharply. Piñera resigned as director of airline LAN. The billionaire still holds over 32% of LAN’s shares. The LAN insider deal was analyzed by name in the “Global Corruption Report 2009” by Transparency International ( http://www.transparency.cz/pdf/Global_Corruption_Report_2009.pdf page 217) SereneLemon ( talk) 21:47, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Estimado, B1mbo, la foto que sigues poniendo de Piñera es estéticamente inadecuada para el artículo en cuestión, te lo he dicho ya en innumerables oportunidades. Por favor no insistas. Pristino ( talk) 03:24, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
It seems to me a better word could be used as heading of this section. Perhaps "political adversaries". Martin Hausen ( talk) 17:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
As someone who'd tried rather unsuccessfully to organize and clean up this page a few months ago, I cannot help but be very pleasantly surprised with the change. In no small part thanks, I'm sure, to Neon Sky. Hopefully this stays as it is (as we might expect it to change radically around election time). —Preceding unsigned comment added by RSDanneskjöld ( talk • contribs) 20:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the acknowledgment, it's much appreciated! I'm currently translating the Chilean Wikipedia version from Spanish to English and double checking the links/references. This will take some time but eager to do so. In the meantime, thanking the Microsoft Word gods for the excellent "review panel" that makes life easier. Happy Holidays! -- Neon Sky ( talk) 17:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
There is a brief paragraph addressing Pinera's presidential campaign, with legitimate references included. The subject of political campaigns and media/mass communications is a significant, well-studied and established topic. As such, believe the paragraph addressing this issue is vital and should not be removed. I welcome discussion on the topic as to why you may or not agree. Thank you. -- Neon Sky ( talk) 03:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I've read over the dispute over the picture. This really edges on ridiculous, I have a hard time seeing why anyone would care this much over which of the two perfectly good pictures are used for the article. However, when considering the choice between two pictures whose rights are both in order, and barring any other issues, I'm inclined to always go with the most recent picture. In that case, I suggest that you stick with the current black and white one. Trusilver 18:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Please don't use "judging words." This is not ridiculous or trivial to us. This picture is of a presidential candidate, if that helps but it into better context. Thanks. -- Neon Sky ( talk) 17:05, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I notice there's an inconsistency in Wikipedia articles in this area. This article describes the National Renewal party as center-right, but the National Renewal article describes it as right wing. I realize opinions may differ, but shouldn't the two articles agree with each other? Can anyone shed light on this? Larry ( talk) 22:34, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
The article currently states that Piñera is a member of Opus Dei. However, I couldn't find any reliable sources confirming this. In fact, this newspaper article (in Spanish) seems to imply that he is not a member. In accordance with WP:BLP I'm removing the statement. If anybody can find a reliable source, please add it back in. -- CronopioFlotante ( talk) 23:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
It's beginning to peak now that Pinera has been elected (Something he earned. We Chileans can not be bought.). I expect it will fully peak this weekend before dying down (I don't think it will be too bad). The same will happen in March, around "swearing in" time. Thanks to everyone who keeps a watchful eye! -- Neon Sky ( talk) 02:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Not feeling the infobox. It's a duplicate format of the one on Bachelet's page. I think the complete titles of the positions and the complete party affiliations are important. If anyone is good with infoboxes (not me unfortunately) please update it. Thanks. -- Soy Rebelde ( talk) 05:46, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Done. --
Soy Rebelde (
talk)
20:52, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok, but... why do you keep stating Pinera is an independent? He's not an independent. I updated it once more and removed non-existent internal links. -- Soy Rebelde ( talk) 01:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Upon deeper research, I see that he is an independent, as it is called by the National Renweal that any candidate appointed to the presidency will renounce the party in an effort to send a message that the president will govern with absolute fairness to the people and not on behalf of a party or particular philosophy. I think this is phenomenal! [3] -- Soy Rebelde ( talk) 23:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I think the name "Transition" for this section is not appropriate. Transition to what? Transition from Concertación to the right? That is POV at worst and ambiguous at best. Transition to executive power? There is no reason to not call this section "President-Elect" which is what he is. Pristino ( talk) 00:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I met you half-way and reformatted the title and sub-title. There is nothing biased about the title "transitions" and your accusation of it being is not only absurd but a very extreme manner of expressing yourself; it kept me thinking. Why are you overly sensitive and offensive? -- Soy Rebelde ( talk) 00:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
I will like to get a group of users to begin authoring the biographies for the cabinet members, since currently there is only 1 out of 22 available. If anyone would like to split the work, most of which requires translation of existing pages from es.Wiki, please share your info here. I think we can split up the work. Hope yo hear back from some of you. Thanks and Cheers, -- Soy Rebelde ( talk) 17:08, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi there. I am new to this but would be happy to help out translating some of these to English. Can you please let me know which ones I should do and likewise it would be good if someone with more experience would be willing to check that I have done it ok. Cheers. Kiwifresita ( talk) 15:35, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
I can help with translating from Spanish, too. I think 10 out of 22 have articles already. See Ministries of Chile. - Ruodyssey ( talk) 04:56, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
I understand why we have ancestry charts in articles about members of royalty or hereditary nobility, but why do we have an ancestry chart for a non-hereditary head of state? I don't think I have ever seen such a chart in an article on an elected official before. Generally we put the names of a person's parents in the text of an article about them, and if any of their other ancestors are notable, they are mentioned as well -- but still in the text. I see no value in a chart that identifies all of the great-grandparents of the president of a country. Neutron ( talk) 22:12, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
The lead asserts that he is a noted philanthropist but after a quick scan of the article I was not able to locate the supporting text. An editor deleted that assertion without an edit summary but I reverted it because a quick Google (US) search revealed several articles from reliable sources that support him being a major philanthropist so this should be an easy section to add. Veriss ( talk) 04:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
"His Excellency", "His Excellency the President" refers only to the treatment protocol, there being only one way. Their official treatment, ie the official name of the charge according to the statement by the State Constitution is just "President of the Republic. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackBird07 ( talk • contribs) 22:05, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
he is not the president of Lan and he currently is not a board member of any companies.
He got 46% of the votes in the runoff election —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.156.183 ( talk) 23:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
A couple of observations: 1. the entry says nothing about his family life (wife? children?). This strikes me as relevant info. 2. the description of his pre-politics career seems incomplete and somewhat contradictory. Incomplete: what was his path to such extraordinary riches? There must be a story there! Contradictory: I read both that he was an "educator" until 1988; elsewhere I read that he was involved in the credit card business in the 1970s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.15.139.81 ( talk) 05:27, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Almost half of this section refers irregularities in the business life of Sebastian Pinera. I don´t mean that such events have not occurred, but definitely the importance given to these facts does not fit with his history as an entrepreneur. Sebastian Pinera don´t have a spotless history, but definitely he is not a corrupt businessman and (more important) Chileans have not elected a corrupt President, which I think is presumed in this section of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.160.84.161 ( talk) 16:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Is anything known about the man's political viewpoints and possible involvement during the Pinochet dictatorship? Such information is suspiciously missing in the article. 77.162.130.139 ( talk) 18:14, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
This Article is totally biassed by socialists!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.155.57.63 ( talk) 20:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Biased by socialists? I hope you are kidding??? Missing here is the corruption scandal, but also Piñera's public No at the referendum about continuing the Pinochet dictatorship.
SereneLemon (
talk)
21:45, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
I suggest to add this: In July 2006, Piñera was fined U$ 700,000 for buying shares of the airline LAN Chile while in possession of privileged information. Piñera bought 3 million LAN shares the day before the company’s second-quarter results were published. The results showed its first-half profit had risen 32%, and its shares rose sharply. Piñera resigned as director of airline LAN. The billionaire still holds over 32% of LAN’s shares. The LAN insider deal was analyzed by name in the “Global Corruption Report 2009” by Transparency International ( http://www.transparency.cz/pdf/Global_Corruption_Report_2009.pdf page 217) SereneLemon ( talk) 21:47, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Estimado, B1mbo, la foto que sigues poniendo de Piñera es estéticamente inadecuada para el artículo en cuestión, te lo he dicho ya en innumerables oportunidades. Por favor no insistas. Pristino ( talk) 03:24, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
It seems to me a better word could be used as heading of this section. Perhaps "political adversaries". Martin Hausen ( talk) 17:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
As someone who'd tried rather unsuccessfully to organize and clean up this page a few months ago, I cannot help but be very pleasantly surprised with the change. In no small part thanks, I'm sure, to Neon Sky. Hopefully this stays as it is (as we might expect it to change radically around election time). —Preceding unsigned comment added by RSDanneskjöld ( talk • contribs) 20:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the acknowledgment, it's much appreciated! I'm currently translating the Chilean Wikipedia version from Spanish to English and double checking the links/references. This will take some time but eager to do so. In the meantime, thanking the Microsoft Word gods for the excellent "review panel" that makes life easier. Happy Holidays! -- Neon Sky ( talk) 17:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
There is a brief paragraph addressing Pinera's presidential campaign, with legitimate references included. The subject of political campaigns and media/mass communications is a significant, well-studied and established topic. As such, believe the paragraph addressing this issue is vital and should not be removed. I welcome discussion on the topic as to why you may or not agree. Thank you. -- Neon Sky ( talk) 03:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I've read over the dispute over the picture. This really edges on ridiculous, I have a hard time seeing why anyone would care this much over which of the two perfectly good pictures are used for the article. However, when considering the choice between two pictures whose rights are both in order, and barring any other issues, I'm inclined to always go with the most recent picture. In that case, I suggest that you stick with the current black and white one. Trusilver 18:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Please don't use "judging words." This is not ridiculous or trivial to us. This picture is of a presidential candidate, if that helps but it into better context. Thanks. -- Neon Sky ( talk) 17:05, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I notice there's an inconsistency in Wikipedia articles in this area. This article describes the National Renewal party as center-right, but the National Renewal article describes it as right wing. I realize opinions may differ, but shouldn't the two articles agree with each other? Can anyone shed light on this? Larry ( talk) 22:34, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
The article currently states that Piñera is a member of Opus Dei. However, I couldn't find any reliable sources confirming this. In fact, this newspaper article (in Spanish) seems to imply that he is not a member. In accordance with WP:BLP I'm removing the statement. If anybody can find a reliable source, please add it back in. -- CronopioFlotante ( talk) 23:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
It's beginning to peak now that Pinera has been elected (Something he earned. We Chileans can not be bought.). I expect it will fully peak this weekend before dying down (I don't think it will be too bad). The same will happen in March, around "swearing in" time. Thanks to everyone who keeps a watchful eye! -- Neon Sky ( talk) 02:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Not feeling the infobox. It's a duplicate format of the one on Bachelet's page. I think the complete titles of the positions and the complete party affiliations are important. If anyone is good with infoboxes (not me unfortunately) please update it. Thanks. -- Soy Rebelde ( talk) 05:46, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Done. --
Soy Rebelde (
talk)
20:52, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok, but... why do you keep stating Pinera is an independent? He's not an independent. I updated it once more and removed non-existent internal links. -- Soy Rebelde ( talk) 01:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Upon deeper research, I see that he is an independent, as it is called by the National Renweal that any candidate appointed to the presidency will renounce the party in an effort to send a message that the president will govern with absolute fairness to the people and not on behalf of a party or particular philosophy. I think this is phenomenal! [3] -- Soy Rebelde ( talk) 23:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I think the name "Transition" for this section is not appropriate. Transition to what? Transition from Concertación to the right? That is POV at worst and ambiguous at best. Transition to executive power? There is no reason to not call this section "President-Elect" which is what he is. Pristino ( talk) 00:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I met you half-way and reformatted the title and sub-title. There is nothing biased about the title "transitions" and your accusation of it being is not only absurd but a very extreme manner of expressing yourself; it kept me thinking. Why are you overly sensitive and offensive? -- Soy Rebelde ( talk) 00:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
I will like to get a group of users to begin authoring the biographies for the cabinet members, since currently there is only 1 out of 22 available. If anyone would like to split the work, most of which requires translation of existing pages from es.Wiki, please share your info here. I think we can split up the work. Hope yo hear back from some of you. Thanks and Cheers, -- Soy Rebelde ( talk) 17:08, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi there. I am new to this but would be happy to help out translating some of these to English. Can you please let me know which ones I should do and likewise it would be good if someone with more experience would be willing to check that I have done it ok. Cheers. Kiwifresita ( talk) 15:35, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
I can help with translating from Spanish, too. I think 10 out of 22 have articles already. See Ministries of Chile. - Ruodyssey ( talk) 04:56, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
I understand why we have ancestry charts in articles about members of royalty or hereditary nobility, but why do we have an ancestry chart for a non-hereditary head of state? I don't think I have ever seen such a chart in an article on an elected official before. Generally we put the names of a person's parents in the text of an article about them, and if any of their other ancestors are notable, they are mentioned as well -- but still in the text. I see no value in a chart that identifies all of the great-grandparents of the president of a country. Neutron ( talk) 22:12, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
The lead asserts that he is a noted philanthropist but after a quick scan of the article I was not able to locate the supporting text. An editor deleted that assertion without an edit summary but I reverted it because a quick Google (US) search revealed several articles from reliable sources that support him being a major philanthropist so this should be an easy section to add. Veriss ( talk) 04:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
"His Excellency", "His Excellency the President" refers only to the treatment protocol, there being only one way. Their official treatment, ie the official name of the charge according to the statement by the State Constitution is just "President of the Republic. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackBird07 ( talk • contribs) 22:05, 11 June 2011 (UTC)