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This page shouldn't be moved or redirected based on discussions on some other page. It doesn't belong to any Wikiproject. SchmuckyTheCat ( talk) 03:32, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
This article definitely should be re-located to Milwaukee Brewers, which is the practice of the other MLB team articles. GoodDay ( talk) 20:27, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
This page should really stay separate. I can't stand how the Washington Senators page re-directs to the Minnesota Twins. The franchise may be the same, but the teams have two separate histories from two separate cities, don't make the same mistake with the pilots. 24 April 2012
I'm coming in to this discussion quite late (obviously), but having just become aware of this issue, would like to put my two cents in. In short, when a team moves (say, the Detroit Hot Wheels move and become the Charlotte Cigars), this is how I see it:
Anyway, I doubt that I will be able to spark any significant new discussion, let alone change, but if someone else has been waiting to discuss this, let's do it. HuskyHuskie ( talk) 17:26, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Based on archival and newspaper research for my forthcoming book, Becoming Big League: Seattle, the Pilots, and Stadium Politics I would like to make some modifications in the article on the Pilots. There are some date changes, several adjustments to factual material, and one or two revisions of interpretation--most of this would be considered minor edits, I think. I would like to present the changes, based on research, to the community before editing the text. I will not modify the text until mid-April to give the community a chance to comment (and look at Becoming Big League, coming out April 1)
Move of Pilots to Milwaukee was April 2 not April 1 [Based on newspaper report of timing of bankruptcy ruling (4:25pm! says the Post-Intelligencer)]
Change Sick's to Sicks' [The apostrophe changed when the stadium came under family ownership after Emil Sick's death.]
Revision: "The Pilot's name originates from owner Dewey Soriano's part-time position as a harbor pilot and the city's association with the airplane industry." [Based on an interview with Bill Sears who conducted the name the team contest. See Becoming Big League, p. 105]
In FORMATION Section: Change furnish much of the expansion fee to underwrote much of the purchase price. [Not actually the expansion fee, which was technically $100,000.]
Last paragraph in TEAM ISSUES: . . . Sicks' had to be brought up to major league standards by the start . . . [American League never prescribed what major league standards were. Most guessed 25,000 seats would suffice. Pilots ownership hoped for 28,000. Final total was probably around 25,000. Highest attendance was 23,000.]
19,500 seats rather than 17,000. [Best of several estimates made at the time. See Becoming Big League, p. 141.]
and the Pilots lost several hundred thousand dollars by the end of the season. [This may be a major edit. The estimates of losses ranage from $2.3 million to $250,000. Excluding player depreciation, best estimate is around $630,000. Daley had committed to underwriting the operation for as much as $8 million, but was unwilling to follow through on his guarantee. The American League did not hold him to the promise--but the Pilots' ownership was not out of money. The bankruptcy claim was a ploy to forestall injunctions against the move. Becoming Big League, pp. 231-232, 237-238.]
In RELOCATION Section: "Daley declined to provide more financing, despite earlier promises" rather than "Even with Daley's financing". [See rationale above.]
Before the season was over, PNSI made contact with interests in Dallas-Fort Worth and Milwaukee car . . . [Becoming Big League, p. 192, 194.]
"A slightly modified deal" (rather than more traditional) [The non-profit aspect that A.L. owners loathed was still a part of the offer.]
Injunction date is March 16 not 17.
Last paragraph: Jim Bouton was a Pilot's relief pitcher in 1969. His classic baseball book, Ball Four is based on a journal he kept that year. [I will add Van Lindt's book The Seattle Pilots Story and my Becoming Big League to the further reading section. Along with Hogan's book, already referenced, these books tell the Pilots story. Bouton tells a fascinating, but not comprehensive, story based on his Pilots experience.
I will also add about 18-20 references, mainly newspaper citations, but also 4-5 from my book where the evidence was previously unpublished (archival) sources. 24.19.237.180 ( talk) 19:11, 26 March 2013 (UTC)Bill Mullins
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This page shouldn't be moved or redirected based on discussions on some other page. It doesn't belong to any Wikiproject. SchmuckyTheCat ( talk) 03:32, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
This article definitely should be re-located to Milwaukee Brewers, which is the practice of the other MLB team articles. GoodDay ( talk) 20:27, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
This page should really stay separate. I can't stand how the Washington Senators page re-directs to the Minnesota Twins. The franchise may be the same, but the teams have two separate histories from two separate cities, don't make the same mistake with the pilots. 24 April 2012
I'm coming in to this discussion quite late (obviously), but having just become aware of this issue, would like to put my two cents in. In short, when a team moves (say, the Detroit Hot Wheels move and become the Charlotte Cigars), this is how I see it:
Anyway, I doubt that I will be able to spark any significant new discussion, let alone change, but if someone else has been waiting to discuss this, let's do it. HuskyHuskie ( talk) 17:26, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Based on archival and newspaper research for my forthcoming book, Becoming Big League: Seattle, the Pilots, and Stadium Politics I would like to make some modifications in the article on the Pilots. There are some date changes, several adjustments to factual material, and one or two revisions of interpretation--most of this would be considered minor edits, I think. I would like to present the changes, based on research, to the community before editing the text. I will not modify the text until mid-April to give the community a chance to comment (and look at Becoming Big League, coming out April 1)
Move of Pilots to Milwaukee was April 2 not April 1 [Based on newspaper report of timing of bankruptcy ruling (4:25pm! says the Post-Intelligencer)]
Change Sick's to Sicks' [The apostrophe changed when the stadium came under family ownership after Emil Sick's death.]
Revision: "The Pilot's name originates from owner Dewey Soriano's part-time position as a harbor pilot and the city's association with the airplane industry." [Based on an interview with Bill Sears who conducted the name the team contest. See Becoming Big League, p. 105]
In FORMATION Section: Change furnish much of the expansion fee to underwrote much of the purchase price. [Not actually the expansion fee, which was technically $100,000.]
Last paragraph in TEAM ISSUES: . . . Sicks' had to be brought up to major league standards by the start . . . [American League never prescribed what major league standards were. Most guessed 25,000 seats would suffice. Pilots ownership hoped for 28,000. Final total was probably around 25,000. Highest attendance was 23,000.]
19,500 seats rather than 17,000. [Best of several estimates made at the time. See Becoming Big League, p. 141.]
and the Pilots lost several hundred thousand dollars by the end of the season. [This may be a major edit. The estimates of losses ranage from $2.3 million to $250,000. Excluding player depreciation, best estimate is around $630,000. Daley had committed to underwriting the operation for as much as $8 million, but was unwilling to follow through on his guarantee. The American League did not hold him to the promise--but the Pilots' ownership was not out of money. The bankruptcy claim was a ploy to forestall injunctions against the move. Becoming Big League, pp. 231-232, 237-238.]
In RELOCATION Section: "Daley declined to provide more financing, despite earlier promises" rather than "Even with Daley's financing". [See rationale above.]
Before the season was over, PNSI made contact with interests in Dallas-Fort Worth and Milwaukee car . . . [Becoming Big League, p. 192, 194.]
"A slightly modified deal" (rather than more traditional) [The non-profit aspect that A.L. owners loathed was still a part of the offer.]
Injunction date is March 16 not 17.
Last paragraph: Jim Bouton was a Pilot's relief pitcher in 1969. His classic baseball book, Ball Four is based on a journal he kept that year. [I will add Van Lindt's book The Seattle Pilots Story and my Becoming Big League to the further reading section. Along with Hogan's book, already referenced, these books tell the Pilots story. Bouton tells a fascinating, but not comprehensive, story based on his Pilots experience.
I will also add about 18-20 references, mainly newspaper citations, but also 4-5 from my book where the evidence was previously unpublished (archival) sources. 24.19.237.180 ( talk) 19:11, 26 March 2013 (UTC)Bill Mullins
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 10:30, 13 November 2018 (UTC)