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Michigan
Michigan is included in the list of seaside resorts. While it clearly has a shoreline at a lake, it is nowhere close to the sea. I am fine including it if the purpose of this article is to include resorts near any body of water. However, if this is only for resorts on the ocean, the Michigan resort towns should go. Thanks,
72Dino (
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23:12, 14 July 2011 (UTC)reply
I've removed the section on "Seasidedness" which appears to be a mishmash of OR and SYNTH created from mostly dubious sources.
Valereee (
talk)
14:55, 16 March 2023 (UTC)reply
It is true that
Brighton and Hove, for example, is a city. But there would need to be a clear consensus on this talk page that city should be added and other editors in favour of the inclusion as this content has previously been reverted in June 2023 and April 2023. Regards,
Kind Tennis Fan (
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22:46, 26 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Looking on the page around the world there are many cities listed on this site, Ostend, Nesebar,kovalam,Livorno,Minturno just to mention a few are all seaside resort cities.
78.86.133.37 (
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14:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)reply
A seaside resort is a town, village, or hotel that serves as a vacation resort. to be changed to A seaside resort is a city, town, village, or hotel that serves as a vacation resort
78.86.133.37 (
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15:15, 31 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Ah, got it, thanks. It sounds like the addition has been made before and reverted, so you'll need to get others on board. The way to do that is to persuade other editors here to understanding why you think it's a good idea/necessary/helpful to readers, and if people are objecting, you'd need to find someone somewhere in a reliable source saying the equivalent of "a seaside resort is a city, town, village, or hotel that serves as a vacation resort". It doesn't have to be those exact words, but it needs to communicate basically that idea.
Ok thank you, if you click the link
Resort town it does state: A resort town, resort city or resort destination, is an urban area where tourism or vacationing is the primary component of the local culture and economy. Would that be good enough?
78.86.133.37 (
talk)
15:32, 31 July 2023 (UTC)reply
So, this is kind of a big leap into Wikipedia policy for you to deal with for what I'm sure seems to you like a very small change, but I'll get into it if you will.
We never cite to Wikipedia. That probably seems strange. We cite to reliable sources, and Wikipedia is not considered sufficient for that. Wikipedia is basically a curated collection of sources about a subject (the references in an article are those sources), along with text explaining what those sources say (the article itself is that text.) So just because the article Resort town says a resort town can be a city doesn't necessarily mean we can generalize that means a seaside resort can be a city.
Let's instead see if we can figure out why others would be objecting to this, because it really doesn't seem like a problem to me, and it's obvious there are seaside resort cities. Getting responses can take a while here, so you might try back tomorrow to see if KTF has responded to my ping. They haven't edited in 16 hours, so it can sometimes take a while. In the meantime I'll try to track down those two reverts myself if I get a chance.
Here's the
diff from June. No edit summary, but it looks to me like we were linking to resort town twice, once to city, once to town, which is silly. So I'm not sure that was an objection to the content, could have been just an objection to the silliness.
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Michigan
Michigan is included in the list of seaside resorts. While it clearly has a shoreline at a lake, it is nowhere close to the sea. I am fine including it if the purpose of this article is to include resorts near any body of water. However, if this is only for resorts on the ocean, the Michigan resort towns should go. Thanks,
72Dino (
talk)
23:12, 14 July 2011 (UTC)reply
I've removed the section on "Seasidedness" which appears to be a mishmash of OR and SYNTH created from mostly dubious sources.
Valereee (
talk)
14:55, 16 March 2023 (UTC)reply
It is true that
Brighton and Hove, for example, is a city. But there would need to be a clear consensus on this talk page that city should be added and other editors in favour of the inclusion as this content has previously been reverted in June 2023 and April 2023. Regards,
Kind Tennis Fan (
talk)
22:46, 26 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Looking on the page around the world there are many cities listed on this site, Ostend, Nesebar,kovalam,Livorno,Minturno just to mention a few are all seaside resort cities.
78.86.133.37 (
talk)
14:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)reply
A seaside resort is a town, village, or hotel that serves as a vacation resort. to be changed to A seaside resort is a city, town, village, or hotel that serves as a vacation resort
78.86.133.37 (
talk)
15:15, 31 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Ah, got it, thanks. It sounds like the addition has been made before and reverted, so you'll need to get others on board. The way to do that is to persuade other editors here to understanding why you think it's a good idea/necessary/helpful to readers, and if people are objecting, you'd need to find someone somewhere in a reliable source saying the equivalent of "a seaside resort is a city, town, village, or hotel that serves as a vacation resort". It doesn't have to be those exact words, but it needs to communicate basically that idea.
Ok thank you, if you click the link
Resort town it does state: A resort town, resort city or resort destination, is an urban area where tourism or vacationing is the primary component of the local culture and economy. Would that be good enough?
78.86.133.37 (
talk)
15:32, 31 July 2023 (UTC)reply
So, this is kind of a big leap into Wikipedia policy for you to deal with for what I'm sure seems to you like a very small change, but I'll get into it if you will.
We never cite to Wikipedia. That probably seems strange. We cite to reliable sources, and Wikipedia is not considered sufficient for that. Wikipedia is basically a curated collection of sources about a subject (the references in an article are those sources), along with text explaining what those sources say (the article itself is that text.) So just because the article Resort town says a resort town can be a city doesn't necessarily mean we can generalize that means a seaside resort can be a city.
Let's instead see if we can figure out why others would be objecting to this, because it really doesn't seem like a problem to me, and it's obvious there are seaside resort cities. Getting responses can take a while here, so you might try back tomorrow to see if KTF has responded to my ping. They haven't edited in 16 hours, so it can sometimes take a while. In the meantime I'll try to track down those two reverts myself if I get a chance.
Here's the
diff from June. No edit summary, but it looks to me like we were linking to resort town twice, once to city, once to town, which is silly. So I'm not sure that was an objection to the content, could have been just an objection to the silliness.