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Quote from "Seaplane uses and operation": "Seaplanes are much more fuel efficient than helicopters and, unlike helicopters, can land when they run out of fuel, weather permitting." Helicopters can land quite fine without fuel too, see the Autorotation article. I guess you meant "land in the sea", if so, that should be clarified. I didn't correct it since I'm a n00b, I can do it if you don't mind. -- GunnsteinLye 22:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
The FAA and AOPA may not call it alighting, but the CAA most certainly do. Think about it: how can it be landing if the stuff underneath's not land? I have, however, implemented a compromise that I think most people will accept. - Scott Wilson 22:22, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
I thought it was fairly well understood that floatplanes and flying boats are quite different types of aircraft. To design, build, maintain and fly. That they are both seaplanes is also indisputable! And the rules and regs support my view: Go look. A seaplane is _any_ aircraft which can land(sic) on water. There should be three articles. Seaplanes should mention there are two main categories and link to them and not say much more. And the other two articles should remain separate. Floatplane should not #redirect here. Paul Beardsell 14:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm not an aviation historian, but I'm pretty sure that seaplanes were popular in the early days because of the absence of landing fields (airports). If that is the case, it ought to be in the article. Lou Sander 22:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I believe the diferrences should be said more than the definition difference, such as what does that change in them, you know? As a complete noob to seaplanes, I know no sh*t about it, but it LOOKS like flying boats can go thru more wild waters, such as a stronger river or maybe even some calm beaches? Is this true? or both floatplanes and flying boats should only be used in rivers/lakes? Are there no major differences besides those? Could any crazy dude remove the lower fuselage of an floatplane (and pontoons and stufff) and convert it into a flying boat with little problems? Or reverse, add an aerodynamic lower fuselage to the flying boat and add pontoons without major worries (such as severe instabilty and the like)? 189.5.143.217 16:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
A user moved this article to the title "Water Aircraft" without discussion, and it has been moved back by a subsequent editor. As a note about this was placed on the Project talk page, I came along and cleaned up the places where the word "seaplane" had been changed, as well as some other cleanups.
To the person who moved it: Please do not do this without a thorough discussion and consensus first. Thanks. Akradecki 03:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
There are some pretty impressive ones. I've seen 'em in pictures, but I don't know anything more about it. Seems like somebody knowledgeable should add them to this article. Lou Sander 22:49, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
See some pretty cool photos of these Russian giants HERE. Lou Sander 22:57, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I've tried to clarify the difference in British and US usage of "seaplanes". It's definitions, fairly trivial really but needs spelling out so readers know to look out for regional linguistic differences. I worry more about the floats = pontoons equation; pontoons to me and to the link are flotation devices used statically, whereas floats here have to be used dynamically to allow an aircraft to leave the water. This took a while to find out, and many early float/seaplanes and indeed flying boats refused to unstick until hydrodynamic features like steps were built in. From memory, Fabre was one of the first to realise this and freely shared his insights (must check on the Curtis connection). TSRL ( talk) 23:31, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
I came to the article to look up what are the largest differences in performing takeoffs and landings in a seaplane as compared to a conventional GA aircraft that lands, you know, on a runway. Could a knowledgeable person provide a summary? Tempshill ( talk) 04:15, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not an expert, but I believe that seaplanes (flying boats in particular) need a longer take off run in order to get "on the plane" and then break free from the forces trying to hold it in the water (even with the step to "break up" the flow). But, as long as you choose a big enough piece of water, it's not a problem. I've read about how Catalinas and Sunderlands in WWII would basically ignore the weight limits on their planes, and just accept that it would take a bit longer to get airborne when over weight. I believe "if it floats, it'll fly" was the rule of thumb. But the hydrodynamic forces holding it down are the biggest difference; Sunderlands on flat water would need a launch to cross their path to break the water up enough for them to overcome the suction and take off. That and I believe there is something different you have to do with the elevators during take off...either you have to hold up elevator, or down elevator...I don't recall. Once you reach a good speed and are "on the plane" (planing on the water), you gently "rotate" (timing with a wave when possible....the suction is the big enemy) and hopefully break out of the water and you are flying. I believe landings tend to be shorter. From what I've read, it's taxiing and docking are the parts that a normal pilot would have the most trouble with. Handling a large plane like the Sunderland on the water, taxiing it to the appropriate place was not easy. It was like steering a large boat, only harder. You had to be a pilot and a seaman! Even with the smaller planes, there are no brakes, you can't steer unless you are moving through the water (depending on how good your water rudders are). You have to time your throttle cut so you coast gently to the dock or beach and don't "crunch", and you have to account for wind and currents pushing you around. .45Colt 02:24, 18 January 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by .45Colt ( talk • contribs)
I've noted pilots rock the floatplanes pitch until the plane "jumps" up. Shjacks45 ( talk) 18:55, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
The first flight over the south Atlantic was made by Portuguese naval pilots Gago Coutinho and Sacadura Cabral in 1922, from Lisbon (Portugal) to Rio de Janeiro (Brazil)!! I've corrected the information on the article, but if there's anything wrong with it, please let me know in here. Thank You.
Ok, thanks for the advice, will do that as soon as possible! Cheers ;D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.109.223 ( talk) 02:09, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Done! Hope you like it. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.57.154 ( talk) 22:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYZgUZgS24o - Inowen ( nlfte) 22:49, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Step is mentioned in article Planing, its the "bump" near the back of the body/float(s) that allows separation on seaplane from water surface by greatly lowering drag on the water. Unfortunately the "step" causes excess drag at speed. The Sanders-Roe fighter seaplane and some others had a retractable step to reduce drag. Shjacks45 ( talk) 18:43, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
"Throughout 1910 and 1911, American pioneering aviator Glenn Curtiss developed his floatplane into the successful Curtiss Model D land-plane, which used a larger central float and sponsons. "
What? If the Model D is a land plane (and it is), why did it "use a larger...float and sponsons"? The Curtis Model D has no floats. Perhaps it was developed from an earlier floatplane (seems dubious since it dates from 1910), but the Model D itself was not a floatplane, and it doesn't say anything about it being developed from a floatplane in that article. What I'm guessing this is supposed to mean is that the Model D land plane (which may or may not have been developed from a floatplane) was developed into the first amphibian, with floats and wheels. The volume taken up by the wheels would have necessitated larger floats to develop the same buoyancy. Or the Model D was developed both into a floatplane and the first amphibian. As far as I know the D was designed as a landplane, and I am pretty sure Curtiss did develop the first amphibian. He certainly didn't "develop his floatplane into the Model D land plane, which used a lager central float". That simply makes no sense.
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Quote from "Seaplane uses and operation": "Seaplanes are much more fuel efficient than helicopters and, unlike helicopters, can land when they run out of fuel, weather permitting." Helicopters can land quite fine without fuel too, see the Autorotation article. I guess you meant "land in the sea", if so, that should be clarified. I didn't correct it since I'm a n00b, I can do it if you don't mind. -- GunnsteinLye 22:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
The FAA and AOPA may not call it alighting, but the CAA most certainly do. Think about it: how can it be landing if the stuff underneath's not land? I have, however, implemented a compromise that I think most people will accept. - Scott Wilson 22:22, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
I thought it was fairly well understood that floatplanes and flying boats are quite different types of aircraft. To design, build, maintain and fly. That they are both seaplanes is also indisputable! And the rules and regs support my view: Go look. A seaplane is _any_ aircraft which can land(sic) on water. There should be three articles. Seaplanes should mention there are two main categories and link to them and not say much more. And the other two articles should remain separate. Floatplane should not #redirect here. Paul Beardsell 14:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm not an aviation historian, but I'm pretty sure that seaplanes were popular in the early days because of the absence of landing fields (airports). If that is the case, it ought to be in the article. Lou Sander 22:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I believe the diferrences should be said more than the definition difference, such as what does that change in them, you know? As a complete noob to seaplanes, I know no sh*t about it, but it LOOKS like flying boats can go thru more wild waters, such as a stronger river or maybe even some calm beaches? Is this true? or both floatplanes and flying boats should only be used in rivers/lakes? Are there no major differences besides those? Could any crazy dude remove the lower fuselage of an floatplane (and pontoons and stufff) and convert it into a flying boat with little problems? Or reverse, add an aerodynamic lower fuselage to the flying boat and add pontoons without major worries (such as severe instabilty and the like)? 189.5.143.217 16:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
A user moved this article to the title "Water Aircraft" without discussion, and it has been moved back by a subsequent editor. As a note about this was placed on the Project talk page, I came along and cleaned up the places where the word "seaplane" had been changed, as well as some other cleanups.
To the person who moved it: Please do not do this without a thorough discussion and consensus first. Thanks. Akradecki 03:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
There are some pretty impressive ones. I've seen 'em in pictures, but I don't know anything more about it. Seems like somebody knowledgeable should add them to this article. Lou Sander 22:49, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
See some pretty cool photos of these Russian giants HERE. Lou Sander 22:57, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I've tried to clarify the difference in British and US usage of "seaplanes". It's definitions, fairly trivial really but needs spelling out so readers know to look out for regional linguistic differences. I worry more about the floats = pontoons equation; pontoons to me and to the link are flotation devices used statically, whereas floats here have to be used dynamically to allow an aircraft to leave the water. This took a while to find out, and many early float/seaplanes and indeed flying boats refused to unstick until hydrodynamic features like steps were built in. From memory, Fabre was one of the first to realise this and freely shared his insights (must check on the Curtis connection). TSRL ( talk) 23:31, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
I came to the article to look up what are the largest differences in performing takeoffs and landings in a seaplane as compared to a conventional GA aircraft that lands, you know, on a runway. Could a knowledgeable person provide a summary? Tempshill ( talk) 04:15, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not an expert, but I believe that seaplanes (flying boats in particular) need a longer take off run in order to get "on the plane" and then break free from the forces trying to hold it in the water (even with the step to "break up" the flow). But, as long as you choose a big enough piece of water, it's not a problem. I've read about how Catalinas and Sunderlands in WWII would basically ignore the weight limits on their planes, and just accept that it would take a bit longer to get airborne when over weight. I believe "if it floats, it'll fly" was the rule of thumb. But the hydrodynamic forces holding it down are the biggest difference; Sunderlands on flat water would need a launch to cross their path to break the water up enough for them to overcome the suction and take off. That and I believe there is something different you have to do with the elevators during take off...either you have to hold up elevator, or down elevator...I don't recall. Once you reach a good speed and are "on the plane" (planing on the water), you gently "rotate" (timing with a wave when possible....the suction is the big enemy) and hopefully break out of the water and you are flying. I believe landings tend to be shorter. From what I've read, it's taxiing and docking are the parts that a normal pilot would have the most trouble with. Handling a large plane like the Sunderland on the water, taxiing it to the appropriate place was not easy. It was like steering a large boat, only harder. You had to be a pilot and a seaman! Even with the smaller planes, there are no brakes, you can't steer unless you are moving through the water (depending on how good your water rudders are). You have to time your throttle cut so you coast gently to the dock or beach and don't "crunch", and you have to account for wind and currents pushing you around. .45Colt 02:24, 18 January 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by .45Colt ( talk • contribs)
I've noted pilots rock the floatplanes pitch until the plane "jumps" up. Shjacks45 ( talk) 18:55, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
The first flight over the south Atlantic was made by Portuguese naval pilots Gago Coutinho and Sacadura Cabral in 1922, from Lisbon (Portugal) to Rio de Janeiro (Brazil)!! I've corrected the information on the article, but if there's anything wrong with it, please let me know in here. Thank You.
Ok, thanks for the advice, will do that as soon as possible! Cheers ;D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.109.223 ( talk) 02:09, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Done! Hope you like it. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.57.154 ( talk) 22:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYZgUZgS24o - Inowen ( nlfte) 22:49, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Step is mentioned in article Planing, its the "bump" near the back of the body/float(s) that allows separation on seaplane from water surface by greatly lowering drag on the water. Unfortunately the "step" causes excess drag at speed. The Sanders-Roe fighter seaplane and some others had a retractable step to reduce drag. Shjacks45 ( talk) 18:43, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
"Throughout 1910 and 1911, American pioneering aviator Glenn Curtiss developed his floatplane into the successful Curtiss Model D land-plane, which used a larger central float and sponsons. "
What? If the Model D is a land plane (and it is), why did it "use a larger...float and sponsons"? The Curtis Model D has no floats. Perhaps it was developed from an earlier floatplane (seems dubious since it dates from 1910), but the Model D itself was not a floatplane, and it doesn't say anything about it being developed from a floatplane in that article. What I'm guessing this is supposed to mean is that the Model D land plane (which may or may not have been developed from a floatplane) was developed into the first amphibian, with floats and wheels. The volume taken up by the wheels would have necessitated larger floats to develop the same buoyancy. Or the Model D was developed both into a floatplane and the first amphibian. As far as I know the D was designed as a landplane, and I am pretty sure Curtiss did develop the first amphibian. He certainly didn't "develop his floatplane into the Model D land plane, which used a lager central float". That simply makes no sense.