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Did you know... that the coin used by
Gaelic football referee Sean Hurson bears his initials and was presented to him by one of his umpires just before the latter died?
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Did you know nomination
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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The result was: promoted by
Z1720 (
talk) 01:11, 8 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment: Probably a bit late but thought it was worth a try anyway. This would be ideal for Sunday 24 July (
date of game), if approved. If I am reading your
local update times correctly, this would then be placed in the current
Preparation area 1 (which is currently empty), if approved. If it's too late, would the same time next day be possible?
Hi
Fingoal and
Gaois... Welcome to DYK! Article is new enough and long enough. You are QPQ-exempt (did not need to review another article).
My main comment about the hook is that, without clicking a link, I have no idea this is a Gaelic games article! It's quite the clunker in formulation as well. I'd like to suggest a reword:
ALT0a: ... that the coin used by
Gaelic football referee Sean Hurson bears his initials and was presented to him by one of his umpires just before he died?
The article doesn't have any textual problems per se, though I do encourage you to consolidate many of the short one-sentence paragraphs—especially that Club section—and add more variety to the start of your sentences.
I'd say you're too late for the 24th. We are dealing with a historic backlog at DYK, and I have been leading efforts to drive it down by reviewing nominations. Seeing the number of approved nominations in the 150–160 range is not normal! In the future, you can generally submit pages six weeks before the special occasion date.
If the phrasing of ALT0a (with the same hook fact itself, which checks out in the article) is acceptable to you, I will pass this nomination.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c) 01:22, 20 July 2022 (UTC)reply
How about the following:
ALT0b: ... that
the coin presented by
Gaelic football referee Sean Hurson to the
captains before each game bears his initials and was presented to him by one of his umpires shortly before he died?
It's much the same but retains the two links.
Gaois (
talk) 01:41, 20 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Truncated to make it more snappy. Schwede66 02:47, 20 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks, that is acceptable.
Gaois (
talk) 03:07, 20 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Providing a tick (ALT0b/0c) and reiterating my copy recommendations to
Gaois about choppy one-sentence paragraphs. The 24th is feasible, as Prep 1 is unfilled, but we have so many nominations that have hung around for far longer that I dunno if it's right.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c) 04:57, 20 July 2022 (UTC)reply
I had noted similar concerns (odd phrasing, some very long and some very short sentences, etc) raised above. While many of these are addressed in the article, I personally wonder whether ALT0b and ALT0c are misleading. In what sense is the coin "presented" to the captains? Do we mean "shown" to them? (The coin is clearly not given to them to keep. "Presented" in the sense of a medal or something. And captains do not touch or use the coins directly in a coin toss. They are shown it, yes. But is that clear from the word "presented"?) Personally it feels like we're trying to mention captains in the hook - in a way that adds an awkwardness and lack of clarity that is possibly best avoided. ALT0a doesn't have this issue.
Guliolopez (
talk) 09:28, 21 July 2022 (UTC)reply
You're right. ALT0a doesn't have this issue. Better to try that one.
Gaois (
talk) 21:39, 21 July 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Sammi Brie: As the original reviewer, can you determine which ALTs are approved?
Z1720 (
talk) 14:17, 29 July 2022 (UTC)reply
I know I'm not the reviewer but I think all three were approved by Sammy Brie. Alt0a passed if acceptable to me (it is). Alt0b/0c also passed, then another editor raised a concern over the wording, so swap back to Alt0a.
ALT0a: ... that the coin used by
Gaelic football referee Sean Hurson bears his initials and was presented to him by one of his umpires just before he died?
If this summary is correct then Sammi Brie can just say a quick "yes" or a tick or whatever is easiest if it saves her some time to deal with that backlog she mentioned... :)
Gaois (
talk) 15:11, 29 July 2022 (UTC)reply
A fact from Sean Hurson appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 16 August 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that the coin used by
Gaelic football referee Sean Hurson bears his initials and was presented to him by one of his umpires just before the latter died?
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or
poorly sourcedmust be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially
libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to
this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.
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WikiProjects:
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join the project and
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This article is within the scope of WikiProject Gaelic games, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Gaelic games on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Gaelic gamesWikipedia:WikiProject Gaelic gamesTemplate:WikiProject Gaelic gamesGaelic games articles
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Did you know nomination
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by
Z1720 (
talk) 01:11, 8 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment: Probably a bit late but thought it was worth a try anyway. This would be ideal for Sunday 24 July (
date of game), if approved. If I am reading your
local update times correctly, this would then be placed in the current
Preparation area 1 (which is currently empty), if approved. If it's too late, would the same time next day be possible?
Hi
Fingoal and
Gaois... Welcome to DYK! Article is new enough and long enough. You are QPQ-exempt (did not need to review another article).
My main comment about the hook is that, without clicking a link, I have no idea this is a Gaelic games article! It's quite the clunker in formulation as well. I'd like to suggest a reword:
ALT0a: ... that the coin used by
Gaelic football referee Sean Hurson bears his initials and was presented to him by one of his umpires just before he died?
The article doesn't have any textual problems per se, though I do encourage you to consolidate many of the short one-sentence paragraphs—especially that Club section—and add more variety to the start of your sentences.
I'd say you're too late for the 24th. We are dealing with a historic backlog at DYK, and I have been leading efforts to drive it down by reviewing nominations. Seeing the number of approved nominations in the 150–160 range is not normal! In the future, you can generally submit pages six weeks before the special occasion date.
If the phrasing of ALT0a (with the same hook fact itself, which checks out in the article) is acceptable to you, I will pass this nomination.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c) 01:22, 20 July 2022 (UTC)reply
How about the following:
ALT0b: ... that
the coin presented by
Gaelic football referee Sean Hurson to the
captains before each game bears his initials and was presented to him by one of his umpires shortly before he died?
It's much the same but retains the two links.
Gaois (
talk) 01:41, 20 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Truncated to make it more snappy. Schwede66 02:47, 20 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks, that is acceptable.
Gaois (
talk) 03:07, 20 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Providing a tick (ALT0b/0c) and reiterating my copy recommendations to
Gaois about choppy one-sentence paragraphs. The 24th is feasible, as Prep 1 is unfilled, but we have so many nominations that have hung around for far longer that I dunno if it's right.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c) 04:57, 20 July 2022 (UTC)reply
I had noted similar concerns (odd phrasing, some very long and some very short sentences, etc) raised above. While many of these are addressed in the article, I personally wonder whether ALT0b and ALT0c are misleading. In what sense is the coin "presented" to the captains? Do we mean "shown" to them? (The coin is clearly not given to them to keep. "Presented" in the sense of a medal or something. And captains do not touch or use the coins directly in a coin toss. They are shown it, yes. But is that clear from the word "presented"?) Personally it feels like we're trying to mention captains in the hook - in a way that adds an awkwardness and lack of clarity that is possibly best avoided. ALT0a doesn't have this issue.
Guliolopez (
talk) 09:28, 21 July 2022 (UTC)reply
You're right. ALT0a doesn't have this issue. Better to try that one.
Gaois (
talk) 21:39, 21 July 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Sammi Brie: As the original reviewer, can you determine which ALTs are approved?
Z1720 (
talk) 14:17, 29 July 2022 (UTC)reply
I know I'm not the reviewer but I think all three were approved by Sammy Brie. Alt0a passed if acceptable to me (it is). Alt0b/0c also passed, then another editor raised a concern over the wording, so swap back to Alt0a.
ALT0a: ... that the coin used by
Gaelic football referee Sean Hurson bears his initials and was presented to him by one of his umpires just before he died?
If this summary is correct then Sammi Brie can just say a quick "yes" or a tick or whatever is easiest if it saves her some time to deal with that backlog she mentioned... :)
Gaois (
talk) 15:11, 29 July 2022 (UTC)reply