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Isn't it a little pointless to list the "hazards" for each segment when there is already a list of shown creatures (including the "hazards", so these creatures are listed twice) at the bottom of each description?
Jerkov15:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)reply
The filming location for the Cretacious was in the
Bahamas (when nigel rides the archelon)but does anyone know
about the place where the part where the T.rex is standing at
the shore was filmed? Someone must edit the prehistoric park
article. Last time I checked it was horrible.
Still thinking about pterosaurs.
T.Neo16:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)reply
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In the article it says that Nigel's time-travelling device is not mentioned or shown, but I think it's a pretty safe bet that he uses a time portal like in Prehistoric Park. —Preceding
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18:53, 27 November 2010 (UTC)reply
The unidentified theropod in this programme is never identified as Lilliensternus in programme or the book, which identifies it as a Ceolurosaur. Besides, the creature seen is not large enough to be Lilliensternus. Could whoever keeps naming this creature Lilliensternus please stop, as this naming is clearly
original research. — Preceding
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The article mentions that the series is available as part of another series on Netflix, but it does not appear to be available now in the US. Maybe it has been taken off of Netflix's lists. Highly time-sensitive things like Netflix listings, which change monthly, should probably be listed on the article itself with an "As of March, 2015," or other appropriate time marker.
Yeah, being under water really helps the CGI too, as 3D animation that takes place under water usually looks more natural, because it is harder to get weight and texture to look right on land in clear light...
FunkMonk (
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20:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
At first glance, I'm a bit puzzled by the two sections Critical response and Criticism. Maybe the former should be called "Reviews" to distinguish them in a clearer way, now the titles could be interchangeable.
Yeah, changed "Critical response" to "Reviews". On a side-note it would have been great to include more reviews here. The criticism section and the second review paints a quite negative picture and user reviews on sites like IMDB and Letterboxd, not to mention the awards it got, show that it appears to have been overall quite positively received. Couldn't find any more reviews that would be OK to cite so what can you do.
Ichthyovenator (
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12:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Hmm, you mention it also went by other titles, perhaps reviews can be searched under those? I took a look, but no, not even Metacritic has anything...
FunkMonk (
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20:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Yeah, couldn't find anything for "Chased by Sea Monsters" either. I tried looking around sites with archived newspapers too but it was difficult to find anything and even if anything would be found, it's unlikely to be online. I know the Radio Times ran some sort of article on the series (but if it was a review I don't know) as per
this, but I can't find anything of it online.
Ichthyovenator (
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00:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
"Cover of an Indonesian DVD release" What makes it particularly Indonesian? Looks like the standard cover.
This is also an example of stuff that could be explained in the article if there were enough reliable sources to use. Sea Monsters wasn't released on DVD in the UK at the time of its original run; the only time it has been released in the UK thus far was in 2015 under the title Jurassic: Monsters of the Deep (with
one of the worst cover designs I've ever seen). The DVD cover used in the article is from a 2004 Indonesian DVD (
here it is on Amazon, note that it's
region 3) that thankfully has an english-language cover. There were also 2004 DVD releases in
Denmark,
Denmark and the rest of Scandinavia and
Germany as well as an
American VHS and a 2008
American DVD. I think the Indonesian cover looks the best and I thought it needed specifying but if you think it's fine the country of origin could be left out. The DVD shenanigans could make for an interesting "Home media release" section or something of that sort but there are virtually no reliable sources to use. That it was released on DVD under the title Jurassic: Monsters of the Deep in 2015 could be backed up by
this but it feels a bit pointless to include if none of the other stuff is also included. The new DVD title isn't some sort of new official name since the series was released on Netflix in 2019 under its original name.
Ichthyovenator (
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12:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Wow, what the hell was going on with that UK cover... Hmmm, I guess for example Amazon entries can't be used as sources? What do other articles do when sourcing home media releases? Seems very odd that only the Indonesian version would have that cover with English text, I could have sworn I saw it on Amazon UK or US with that cover too? Well, I guess it's fine as is...
FunkMonk (
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20:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Some appear to use Amazon as a source, such as
Breaking Bad (season 1), but they're not GA so I'm not sure if that's fine. I can't find anything about it in the MOS. If using Amazon as a source would be fine I could write a proper "home media release" section. The Indonesian DVD is (as linked) on the US Amazon site (why I don't know) so maybe that's how you saw it.
Ichthyovenator (
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00:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
"Whereas both of the previous specials took place on land and were confined to a single setting" Perhaps worth stating that the previous WWD/B series did have episodes taking place in the sea?
And if there are any connections worth mentioning with the previous sea episodes, of course if they are stated in the sources? Some of the same creatures are featured, and I wonder if they reused old animations etc.
Yeah, the designs for creatures that appeared earlier (most prominently Basilosaurus) were definitely reused, but I'm unsure if props or left-over animations were re-used as well. As you've probably gathered, finding sources to use in this article was quite difficult in the first place so I don't expect to find much but I'll have a look around.
Ichthyovenator (
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12:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Nothing about the making of in the companion book? And I don't recall if there was a making of documentary on the DVD, but I guess not?
FunkMonk (
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20:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
I don't actually have the companion book (I managed to read part of Marven's foreword through using the Web Archive on the book's Amazon site) but most of it seems to be a recounting of what happens in the series, with little behind the scenes info. Depending on the DVD, it appears that interviews with Tim Haines and Jasper James were included (it says so on the back of the Indonesian DVD on Amazon) that might be useful. I've got
this DVD which doesn't have any bonus features at all so I can't check those.
Ichthyovenator (
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00:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
I looked at the back of my Danish DVD, doesn't seem to have any extras either... Might be good getting or borrowing the book if you ever want to take the article further.
FunkMonk (
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07:44, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
"sees time-travelling zoologist Nigel Marven travelling back in time" A bit repetitive with the double "travelling", how about just "travel back in time" at the second time?
"include the Giant Orthocone" Why capitalised, and shouldn't the scientific name be stated, as you do with the other animals listed after?
It was capitalised in this way on
the Sea Monsters site, but yeah it probably shouldn't be, fixed. It's never identified as anything else than a "giant orthocone" in the series (whereas the other animals are identified with their scientific names). If you think that would be fine, I could cite The Complete Guide to Prehistoric Life, where it is identified as (misspelled) Cameraceras.
Ichthyovenator (
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00:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Added with reference to the book, I added the name inside parantheses after "giant orthocone" since I figured that would be less confusing for someone who have just watched the series? Maybe that's unnecessary?
Ichthyovenator (
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22:50, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
"Marven's presence also serves to provide a sense of scale and dread throughout the series" And drama, surely? Depends on what the source say, of course.
" including 17-metre (56 ft) giant mosasaurs" Likewise, why not mention the genus name here?
Like with the orthocone, the mosasaurs are just called "giant mosasaurs" in the series itself. The Complete Guide to Prehistoric Life says Tylosaurus so if that can be cited, the name could be added.
Ichthyovenator (
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00:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Here are some sources I found on Google Scholar, the first seems to specifically mention Sea Monsters, while the others might be more general.
[3][4][5] Some of it might be useful, and if you want to one day tackle the original WWD as well, it seems there are a lot of stuff on Google Scholar...
Yeah, I came across the first one while looking for sources, but I don't have access to any of those so I can't check if they contain anything useful :/ If I get to the original WWD I'll definitely have a chech through Google Scholar, yes :)
Ichthyovenator (
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00:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
I have them both now, I can email them to you if you want (it looks like you have disabled Wikipedia email, though). Only the first one covers Sea Monsters specifically.
FunkMonk (
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07:44, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
I've added a sentence based on Campbell (2016), the other sources (and the rest of that source) are also very useful but I think they can be used for a lot more in the articles on Walking with Dinosaurs and on the whole series.
Ichthyovenator (
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23:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)reply
There is a tiny bit of information about the New Zealand shoot here
[6], not sure if it's of any use.
Yeah, this is the page that's cited in the article for there being a New Zealand shoot. Not sure what else to add from it as I don't quite understand the last sentence in it.
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
00:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Very strange coincidence that the two only reviewers mentioned appear to be brothers!
"Hoggart also believed the inclusion of a presenter in the previous series Walking with Caveme" Not sure what's meant here, I don't recall there being a human presenter other than the narrator in the series, or am I getting the meaning wrong?
Could be cool if we could get photos from the exhibition...
Yeah, the only photo I've found from it is
this one which doesn't show much (but it's a full-scale Ophthalmosaurus model so I imagine the supposed Liopleurodon and Leedsichthys stuff would have been pretty cool to see).
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
00:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Nice work with this, I hope the remaining issues can be solved down the line when proper sources might come around, but now it is fine for GA.
FunkMonk (
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01:53, 29 October 2020 (UTC)reply
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Isn't it a little pointless to list the "hazards" for each segment when there is already a list of shown creatures (including the "hazards", so these creatures are listed twice) at the bottom of each description?
Jerkov15:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)reply
The filming location for the Cretacious was in the
Bahamas (when nigel rides the archelon)but does anyone know
about the place where the part where the T.rex is standing at
the shore was filmed? Someone must edit the prehistoric park
article. Last time I checked it was horrible.
Still thinking about pterosaurs.
T.Neo16:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)reply
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In the article it says that Nigel's time-travelling device is not mentioned or shown, but I think it's a pretty safe bet that he uses a time portal like in Prehistoric Park. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
24.36.169.168 (
talk)
18:53, 27 November 2010 (UTC)reply
The unidentified theropod in this programme is never identified as Lilliensternus in programme or the book, which identifies it as a Ceolurosaur. Besides, the creature seen is not large enough to be Lilliensternus. Could whoever keeps naming this creature Lilliensternus please stop, as this naming is clearly
original research. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Frazthespaz (
talk •
contribs)
16:29, 17 December 2011 (UTC)reply
The article mentions that the series is available as part of another series on Netflix, but it does not appear to be available now in the US. Maybe it has been taken off of Netflix's lists. Highly time-sensitive things like Netflix listings, which change monthly, should probably be listed on the article itself with an "As of March, 2015," or other appropriate time marker.
Yeah, being under water really helps the CGI too, as 3D animation that takes place under water usually looks more natural, because it is harder to get weight and texture to look right on land in clear light...
FunkMonk (
talk)
20:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
At first glance, I'm a bit puzzled by the two sections Critical response and Criticism. Maybe the former should be called "Reviews" to distinguish them in a clearer way, now the titles could be interchangeable.
Yeah, changed "Critical response" to "Reviews". On a side-note it would have been great to include more reviews here. The criticism section and the second review paints a quite negative picture and user reviews on sites like IMDB and Letterboxd, not to mention the awards it got, show that it appears to have been overall quite positively received. Couldn't find any more reviews that would be OK to cite so what can you do.
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
12:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Hmm, you mention it also went by other titles, perhaps reviews can be searched under those? I took a look, but no, not even Metacritic has anything...
FunkMonk (
talk)
20:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Yeah, couldn't find anything for "Chased by Sea Monsters" either. I tried looking around sites with archived newspapers too but it was difficult to find anything and even if anything would be found, it's unlikely to be online. I know the Radio Times ran some sort of article on the series (but if it was a review I don't know) as per
this, but I can't find anything of it online.
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
00:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
"Cover of an Indonesian DVD release" What makes it particularly Indonesian? Looks like the standard cover.
This is also an example of stuff that could be explained in the article if there were enough reliable sources to use. Sea Monsters wasn't released on DVD in the UK at the time of its original run; the only time it has been released in the UK thus far was in 2015 under the title Jurassic: Monsters of the Deep (with
one of the worst cover designs I've ever seen). The DVD cover used in the article is from a 2004 Indonesian DVD (
here it is on Amazon, note that it's
region 3) that thankfully has an english-language cover. There were also 2004 DVD releases in
Denmark,
Denmark and the rest of Scandinavia and
Germany as well as an
American VHS and a 2008
American DVD. I think the Indonesian cover looks the best and I thought it needed specifying but if you think it's fine the country of origin could be left out. The DVD shenanigans could make for an interesting "Home media release" section or something of that sort but there are virtually no reliable sources to use. That it was released on DVD under the title Jurassic: Monsters of the Deep in 2015 could be backed up by
this but it feels a bit pointless to include if none of the other stuff is also included. The new DVD title isn't some sort of new official name since the series was released on Netflix in 2019 under its original name.
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
12:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Wow, what the hell was going on with that UK cover... Hmmm, I guess for example Amazon entries can't be used as sources? What do other articles do when sourcing home media releases? Seems very odd that only the Indonesian version would have that cover with English text, I could have sworn I saw it on Amazon UK or US with that cover too? Well, I guess it's fine as is...
FunkMonk (
talk)
20:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Some appear to use Amazon as a source, such as
Breaking Bad (season 1), but they're not GA so I'm not sure if that's fine. I can't find anything about it in the MOS. If using Amazon as a source would be fine I could write a proper "home media release" section. The Indonesian DVD is (as linked) on the US Amazon site (why I don't know) so maybe that's how you saw it.
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
00:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
"Whereas both of the previous specials took place on land and were confined to a single setting" Perhaps worth stating that the previous WWD/B series did have episodes taking place in the sea?
And if there are any connections worth mentioning with the previous sea episodes, of course if they are stated in the sources? Some of the same creatures are featured, and I wonder if they reused old animations etc.
Yeah, the designs for creatures that appeared earlier (most prominently Basilosaurus) were definitely reused, but I'm unsure if props or left-over animations were re-used as well. As you've probably gathered, finding sources to use in this article was quite difficult in the first place so I don't expect to find much but I'll have a look around.
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
12:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Nothing about the making of in the companion book? And I don't recall if there was a making of documentary on the DVD, but I guess not?
FunkMonk (
talk)
20:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
I don't actually have the companion book (I managed to read part of Marven's foreword through using the Web Archive on the book's Amazon site) but most of it seems to be a recounting of what happens in the series, with little behind the scenes info. Depending on the DVD, it appears that interviews with Tim Haines and Jasper James were included (it says so on the back of the Indonesian DVD on Amazon) that might be useful. I've got
this DVD which doesn't have any bonus features at all so I can't check those.
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
00:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
I looked at the back of my Danish DVD, doesn't seem to have any extras either... Might be good getting or borrowing the book if you ever want to take the article further.
FunkMonk (
talk)
07:44, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
"sees time-travelling zoologist Nigel Marven travelling back in time" A bit repetitive with the double "travelling", how about just "travel back in time" at the second time?
"include the Giant Orthocone" Why capitalised, and shouldn't the scientific name be stated, as you do with the other animals listed after?
It was capitalised in this way on
the Sea Monsters site, but yeah it probably shouldn't be, fixed. It's never identified as anything else than a "giant orthocone" in the series (whereas the other animals are identified with their scientific names). If you think that would be fine, I could cite The Complete Guide to Prehistoric Life, where it is identified as (misspelled) Cameraceras.
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
00:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Added with reference to the book, I added the name inside parantheses after "giant orthocone" since I figured that would be less confusing for someone who have just watched the series? Maybe that's unnecessary?
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
22:50, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
"Marven's presence also serves to provide a sense of scale and dread throughout the series" And drama, surely? Depends on what the source say, of course.
" including 17-metre (56 ft) giant mosasaurs" Likewise, why not mention the genus name here?
Like with the orthocone, the mosasaurs are just called "giant mosasaurs" in the series itself. The Complete Guide to Prehistoric Life says Tylosaurus so if that can be cited, the name could be added.
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
00:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Here are some sources I found on Google Scholar, the first seems to specifically mention Sea Monsters, while the others might be more general.
[3][4][5] Some of it might be useful, and if you want to one day tackle the original WWD as well, it seems there are a lot of stuff on Google Scholar...
Yeah, I came across the first one while looking for sources, but I don't have access to any of those so I can't check if they contain anything useful :/ If I get to the original WWD I'll definitely have a chech through Google Scholar, yes :)
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
00:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
I have them both now, I can email them to you if you want (it looks like you have disabled Wikipedia email, though). Only the first one covers Sea Monsters specifically.
FunkMonk (
talk)
07:44, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
I've added a sentence based on Campbell (2016), the other sources (and the rest of that source) are also very useful but I think they can be used for a lot more in the articles on Walking with Dinosaurs and on the whole series.
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
23:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)reply
There is a tiny bit of information about the New Zealand shoot here
[6], not sure if it's of any use.
Yeah, this is the page that's cited in the article for there being a New Zealand shoot. Not sure what else to add from it as I don't quite understand the last sentence in it.
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
00:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Very strange coincidence that the two only reviewers mentioned appear to be brothers!
"Hoggart also believed the inclusion of a presenter in the previous series Walking with Caveme" Not sure what's meant here, I don't recall there being a human presenter other than the narrator in the series, or am I getting the meaning wrong?
Could be cool if we could get photos from the exhibition...
Yeah, the only photo I've found from it is
this one which doesn't show much (but it's a full-scale Ophthalmosaurus model so I imagine the supposed Liopleurodon and Leedsichthys stuff would have been pretty cool to see).
Ichthyovenator (
talk)
00:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Nice work with this, I hope the remaining issues can be solved down the line when proper sources might come around, but now it is fine for GA.
FunkMonk (
talk)
01:53, 29 October 2020 (UTC)reply