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I agree with 75.93.173.167, the connector bus section should be deleted. The bus has now stopped operating, so there is no reason to have that section there, even for historical purposes. If no one has objected in the next couple days I will delete the section.
-- Alexseattle ( talk) 03:40, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved/withdrawn. Looks like there isn't a reasonable alternative, thanks all for participating. Jenks24 ( talk) 04:36, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
SeaTac/Airport (Link station) → ? – Any chance we can think if a new title for this article that avoids using the
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I have closely looked at Google Maps and find that there are no bus stops at the station. There is a drive through under the station but it is used as a potential parking area and it is also blocked by orange barriers. Hypothetically, it could be a bus stop if there was foot access but it is not. The bus stops are on the street adjacent to the station. Therefore, the article should be modified to reflect that.
The reason that I am mentioning this minor proposed revision is because I already changed it but it was reverted by SounderBruce, an esteemed editor. He is not the owner of the article but his opinion carries some weight to me. In view of the odd revert, I am mentioning it here. Vanguard10 ( talk) 02:39, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
ERROR: It seems that there are not 5 bus routes to the station. Two of them mentioned are Sound Transit bus routes that stop at the south end of the lower drive by the airport terminal. According to Google Maps, that is almost a 1 km walk. The citation in the above paragraph also mentions the location of those 2 bus routes being by the airport terminal. Vanguard10 ( talk) 03:48, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi. I'm here in response to the 3O request, but I'm having some trouble working out exactly what the dispute is because this thread doesn't include a link to the disputed text. I looked at this version of the article and checked every mention of the word "bus." In this form, the article says the airport "is served by" these bus stations, which the sources cite in this thread fully support. The article lists the bus stations as being on the "Street," which I don't think any of you dispute. It also says that a bus line goes "to" the station. What exactly is the dispute? Could either of you please post a link or quote some text to exactly what the problem might be? Since there are three people here and not just two, 3O doesn't really apply, but I'll put in my two cents if you think it'll help. Another thing that bears saying: The 3O request was not neutrally written. It blamed one editor by name for the conflict and contained information supporting one side but not the other. I get that everyone here thinks they're right, but the point of 3O and RfCs is to bring in people with fresh eyes and no preconceptions. Darkfrog24 ( talk) 12:55, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Adaptation of SnowFire's compromise proposal: Last paragraph would be replaced with this
King County Metro buses:
Sound Transit buses:
(Alternate is to list Bus 560 twice, the southbound terminus of Bellevue and the northbound terminus of West Seattle)
Wegerje ( talk) 13:41, 9 May 2018 (UTC) New Proposal: SeaTac/Airport station is served by five bus routes: 156, 180, 560, 574 and A Line. (Then ... describing the five lines.) Cut to the chase folks. Leave finding the bus stop you want to the signage at the location. Or let the riders use Google or OpenStreetMap to find their bus stop. This article would have done best by printing a small layout map of the station and the bus stops. (See OpenStreetMap's version of the station.) imho. Every bus stop user has to use the bridge. Two of the stops require crossing a street to get to. Using the words "also", "is serviced by" and "adjacent" is just so much unneeded verbiage. Again imho.
SounderBruce's version is inaccurate because the bus routes do not serve the station. .For some routes, the rider must cross International Blvd. on an overhead walkway, take an elevator to the street level, re-cross International Blvd. again and walk a little. That's not a bus line serving the station like other bus lines that serve the University Street station (there are bus stops inside the University Station) Only in the broader sense does the bus routes serve the station. In the same way, Delta Airlines serves the station, too, meaning the station also has service to London, Paris, and San Francisco. Here is SounderBruce's only acceptable version. That, in itself, suggests unwillingness to compromise.
SeaTac/Airport station is also served by five bus routes using bus stops on International Boulevard to the east of the station. King County Metro operates three routes from the station: the RapidRide A Line, which continues north to Tukwila International Boulevard station and south to Federal Way Transit Center; route 156, which connects to Southcenter Mall, Des Moines and Highline College; and route 180, which connects to Burien, Kent and Auburn. [1] Sound Transit runs two express bus routes to the station and airport terminal: route 560, which travels to West Seattle, Burien, Renton and Bellevue; and route 574, which travels south to Tacoma and Lakewood in Pierce County. [2] [3]
PROPOSAL 1 (CURRENT VERSION) SeaTac/Airport station has service by five bus routes that use adjacent bus stops [4] on International Boulevard to the east of the station. King County Metro operates three routes from the station: the RapidRide A Line, which continues north to Tukwila International Boulevard station and south to Federal Way Transit Center; route 156, which connects to Southcenter Mall, Des Moines and Highline College; and route 180, which connects to Burien, Kent and Auburn. [5] Sound Transit runs two express bus routes to the station and airport terminal: route 560, which travels to West Seattle, Burien, Renton and Bellevue; and route 574, which travels south to Tacoma and Lakewood in Pierce County. [6] [7]
PROPOSAL 2 (REVERTED BEFORE) The SeaTac/Airport station has bus service adjacent to the station on International Boulevard. [8] King County Metro operates three routes near the station: the RapidRide A Line, which continues north to Tukwila International Boulevard station and south to Federal Way Transit Center; route 156, which connects to Southcenter Mall, Des Moines and Highline College; and route 180, which connects to Burien, Kent and Auburn. [9] Sound Transit operates two express bus routes via International Drive to the lower drive of the airport terminal [8]: route 560, which travels to West Seattle, Burien, Renton and Bellevue; and route 574, which travels south to Tacoma and Lakewood in Pierce County. [10] [11]
PROPOSAL 3 (REVERTED BEFORE) The SeaTac/Airport station is adjacent to International Boulevard, which has bus stops with service from five bus routes. [8] King County Metro operates three routes near the station: the RapidRide A Line, which continues north to Tukwila International Boulevard station and south to Federal Way Transit Center; route 156, which connects to Southcenter Mall, Des Moines and Highline College; and route 180, which connects to Burien, Kent and Auburn. [12] Sound Transit operates two express bus routes via International Drive to the lower drive of the airport terminal [8]: route 560, which travels to West Seattle, Burien, Renton and Bellevue; and route 574, which travels south to Tacoma and Lakewood in Pierce County. [13] [14]
PROPOSAL 4 (REVERTED BEFORE) The eastern exit of the SeaTac/Airport station exits borders International Boulevard, which has bus stops with service from five bus routes. King County Metro operates three routes from the station: the RapidRide A Line, which continues north to Tukwila International Boulevard station and south to Federal Way Transit Center; route 156, which connects to Southcenter Mall, Des Moines and Highline College; and route 180, which connects to Burien, Kent and Auburn. [15] Sound Transit runs two express bus routes to the station and airport terminal: route 560, which travels to West Seattle, Burien, Renton and Bellevue; and route 574, which travels south to Tacoma and Lakewood in Pierce County. [16] [17]
PROPOSAL 5 (REVERTED BEFORE) SeaTac/Airport station is adjacent to bus stops on International Boulevard to the east of the station that have service with five bus routes. King County Metro operates three routes from the station: the RapidRide A Line, which continues north to Tukwila International Boulevard station and south to Federal Way Transit Center; route 156, which connects to Southcenter Mall, Des Moines and Highline College; and route 180, which connects to Burien, Kent and Auburn. [18] Sound Transit runs two express bus routes to the station and airport terminal: route 560, which travels to West Seattle, Burien, Renton and Bellevue; and route 574, which travels south to Tacoma and Lakewood in Pierce County. [19] [20]
PROPOSAL 6 - SUGGESTED BEFORE BUT NEVER IN THE ARTICLE
Bus and rail connections
King County Metro buses:
Sound Transit buses:
PROPOSAL 7 - PROPOSAL 6 BUT MADE INTO PROSE (CITATIONS OMITTED FOR CLARITY BUT COULD BE IN THE FINAL VERSION)
Bus connections near the station include the King County Metro bus routes 156, 180, and the RapidRide A Line and Sound Transit bus 560 AND 574.
Vanguard10 ( talk) 03:45, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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Moving on from the personal attack above, I have merged the
SeaTac/Airport station is also served by five bus routes using a pair of bus stops on International Boulevard to the east of the station. King County Metro operates three routes from the station: the RapidRide A Line, which continues north to Tukwila International Boulevard station and south to Federal Way Transit Center; route 156, which connects to Southcenter Mall, Des Moines and Highline College; and route 180, which connects to Burien, Kent and Auburn. Sound Transit runs two express bus routes to the station and airport terminal: route 560, which travels to West Seattle, Burien, Renton and Bellevue; and route 574, which travels south to Tacoma and Lakewood in Pierce County.
Note that this is taken from the original version, which made it clear in the first sentence that bus stops are not within the station, but are adjacent (without using a contentious word like adjacent). The downtown tunnel stations are extremely unique in having buses use the same platform as trains, so it should not be used as a counterexample; a normal surface station like Columbia City station is a better comparison, with buses that serve the station using stops that require a street crossing or two. They are adjacent but also serving the station, and thus the former does not need to be mentioned. More complex stations like Capitol Hill station also use bus stops that require a street crossing or two, and yet buses are still said to serve them.
I suggest that Vanguard10 cease with the use of personal attacks and defamation of myself. This isn't about ownership, but merely making sure that information is not misleading without violating WP:NOR and WP:V. Other editors have stepped in to say that the reverted versions had flaws that warranted reversion, and I agree with them. Sounder Bruce 04:45, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Let's work to not start an edit war. GA criteria include that there are no edit wars so let's maintain that standard.
There appears to be a great opposition by SounderBruce in the above section about the word "adjacent". SounderBruce appears to want the bus service to be in the station. Sorry it is not. That discussion should remain there (above section). This discussion is appeal to everyone, including SounderBruce not to jeopardize the GA bestowed to this article. Let's cooperate! Vanguard10 ( talk) 04:05, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
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Main Page in the "
Did you know?" column on
February 18, 2017. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that
SeaTac/Airport station in Seattle was opened in time for the
2010 Winter Olympics, held in
Vancouver, Canada? | ||||||||||||
Current status: Good article |
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I agree with 75.93.173.167, the connector bus section should be deleted. The bus has now stopped operating, so there is no reason to have that section there, even for historical purposes. If no one has objected in the next couple days I will delete the section.
-- Alexseattle ( talk) 03:40, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved/withdrawn. Looks like there isn't a reasonable alternative, thanks all for participating. Jenks24 ( talk) 04:36, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
SeaTac/Airport (Link station) → ? – Any chance we can think if a new title for this article that avoids using the
slash? The software thinks it's a subpage of
SeaTac, which made it a bit of a bugger when moving that page.
Jenks24 (
talk)
07:11, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Westlake (Link station) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 21:30, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
I have closely looked at Google Maps and find that there are no bus stops at the station. There is a drive through under the station but it is used as a potential parking area and it is also blocked by orange barriers. Hypothetically, it could be a bus stop if there was foot access but it is not. The bus stops are on the street adjacent to the station. Therefore, the article should be modified to reflect that.
The reason that I am mentioning this minor proposed revision is because I already changed it but it was reverted by SounderBruce, an esteemed editor. He is not the owner of the article but his opinion carries some weight to me. In view of the odd revert, I am mentioning it here. Vanguard10 ( talk) 02:39, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
ERROR: It seems that there are not 5 bus routes to the station. Two of them mentioned are Sound Transit bus routes that stop at the south end of the lower drive by the airport terminal. According to Google Maps, that is almost a 1 km walk. The citation in the above paragraph also mentions the location of those 2 bus routes being by the airport terminal. Vanguard10 ( talk) 03:48, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi. I'm here in response to the 3O request, but I'm having some trouble working out exactly what the dispute is because this thread doesn't include a link to the disputed text. I looked at this version of the article and checked every mention of the word "bus." In this form, the article says the airport "is served by" these bus stations, which the sources cite in this thread fully support. The article lists the bus stations as being on the "Street," which I don't think any of you dispute. It also says that a bus line goes "to" the station. What exactly is the dispute? Could either of you please post a link or quote some text to exactly what the problem might be? Since there are three people here and not just two, 3O doesn't really apply, but I'll put in my two cents if you think it'll help. Another thing that bears saying: The 3O request was not neutrally written. It blamed one editor by name for the conflict and contained information supporting one side but not the other. I get that everyone here thinks they're right, but the point of 3O and RfCs is to bring in people with fresh eyes and no preconceptions. Darkfrog24 ( talk) 12:55, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Adaptation of SnowFire's compromise proposal: Last paragraph would be replaced with this
King County Metro buses:
Sound Transit buses:
(Alternate is to list Bus 560 twice, the southbound terminus of Bellevue and the northbound terminus of West Seattle)
Wegerje ( talk) 13:41, 9 May 2018 (UTC) New Proposal: SeaTac/Airport station is served by five bus routes: 156, 180, 560, 574 and A Line. (Then ... describing the five lines.) Cut to the chase folks. Leave finding the bus stop you want to the signage at the location. Or let the riders use Google or OpenStreetMap to find their bus stop. This article would have done best by printing a small layout map of the station and the bus stops. (See OpenStreetMap's version of the station.) imho. Every bus stop user has to use the bridge. Two of the stops require crossing a street to get to. Using the words "also", "is serviced by" and "adjacent" is just so much unneeded verbiage. Again imho.
SounderBruce's version is inaccurate because the bus routes do not serve the station. .For some routes, the rider must cross International Blvd. on an overhead walkway, take an elevator to the street level, re-cross International Blvd. again and walk a little. That's not a bus line serving the station like other bus lines that serve the University Street station (there are bus stops inside the University Station) Only in the broader sense does the bus routes serve the station. In the same way, Delta Airlines serves the station, too, meaning the station also has service to London, Paris, and San Francisco. Here is SounderBruce's only acceptable version. That, in itself, suggests unwillingness to compromise.
SeaTac/Airport station is also served by five bus routes using bus stops on International Boulevard to the east of the station. King County Metro operates three routes from the station: the RapidRide A Line, which continues north to Tukwila International Boulevard station and south to Federal Way Transit Center; route 156, which connects to Southcenter Mall, Des Moines and Highline College; and route 180, which connects to Burien, Kent and Auburn. [1] Sound Transit runs two express bus routes to the station and airport terminal: route 560, which travels to West Seattle, Burien, Renton and Bellevue; and route 574, which travels south to Tacoma and Lakewood in Pierce County. [2] [3]
PROPOSAL 1 (CURRENT VERSION) SeaTac/Airport station has service by five bus routes that use adjacent bus stops [4] on International Boulevard to the east of the station. King County Metro operates three routes from the station: the RapidRide A Line, which continues north to Tukwila International Boulevard station and south to Federal Way Transit Center; route 156, which connects to Southcenter Mall, Des Moines and Highline College; and route 180, which connects to Burien, Kent and Auburn. [5] Sound Transit runs two express bus routes to the station and airport terminal: route 560, which travels to West Seattle, Burien, Renton and Bellevue; and route 574, which travels south to Tacoma and Lakewood in Pierce County. [6] [7]
PROPOSAL 2 (REVERTED BEFORE) The SeaTac/Airport station has bus service adjacent to the station on International Boulevard. [8] King County Metro operates three routes near the station: the RapidRide A Line, which continues north to Tukwila International Boulevard station and south to Federal Way Transit Center; route 156, which connects to Southcenter Mall, Des Moines and Highline College; and route 180, which connects to Burien, Kent and Auburn. [9] Sound Transit operates two express bus routes via International Drive to the lower drive of the airport terminal [8]: route 560, which travels to West Seattle, Burien, Renton and Bellevue; and route 574, which travels south to Tacoma and Lakewood in Pierce County. [10] [11]
PROPOSAL 3 (REVERTED BEFORE) The SeaTac/Airport station is adjacent to International Boulevard, which has bus stops with service from five bus routes. [8] King County Metro operates three routes near the station: the RapidRide A Line, which continues north to Tukwila International Boulevard station and south to Federal Way Transit Center; route 156, which connects to Southcenter Mall, Des Moines and Highline College; and route 180, which connects to Burien, Kent and Auburn. [12] Sound Transit operates two express bus routes via International Drive to the lower drive of the airport terminal [8]: route 560, which travels to West Seattle, Burien, Renton and Bellevue; and route 574, which travels south to Tacoma and Lakewood in Pierce County. [13] [14]
PROPOSAL 4 (REVERTED BEFORE) The eastern exit of the SeaTac/Airport station exits borders International Boulevard, which has bus stops with service from five bus routes. King County Metro operates three routes from the station: the RapidRide A Line, which continues north to Tukwila International Boulevard station and south to Federal Way Transit Center; route 156, which connects to Southcenter Mall, Des Moines and Highline College; and route 180, which connects to Burien, Kent and Auburn. [15] Sound Transit runs two express bus routes to the station and airport terminal: route 560, which travels to West Seattle, Burien, Renton and Bellevue; and route 574, which travels south to Tacoma and Lakewood in Pierce County. [16] [17]
PROPOSAL 5 (REVERTED BEFORE) SeaTac/Airport station is adjacent to bus stops on International Boulevard to the east of the station that have service with five bus routes. King County Metro operates three routes from the station: the RapidRide A Line, which continues north to Tukwila International Boulevard station and south to Federal Way Transit Center; route 156, which connects to Southcenter Mall, Des Moines and Highline College; and route 180, which connects to Burien, Kent and Auburn. [18] Sound Transit runs two express bus routes to the station and airport terminal: route 560, which travels to West Seattle, Burien, Renton and Bellevue; and route 574, which travels south to Tacoma and Lakewood in Pierce County. [19] [20]
PROPOSAL 6 - SUGGESTED BEFORE BUT NEVER IN THE ARTICLE
Bus and rail connections
King County Metro buses:
Sound Transit buses:
PROPOSAL 7 - PROPOSAL 6 BUT MADE INTO PROSE (CITATIONS OMITTED FOR CLARITY BUT COULD BE IN THE FINAL VERSION)
Bus connections near the station include the King County Metro bus routes 156, 180, and the RapidRide A Line and Sound Transit bus 560 AND 574.
Vanguard10 ( talk) 03:45, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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Moving on from the personal attack above, I have merged the
SeaTac/Airport station is also served by five bus routes using a pair of bus stops on International Boulevard to the east of the station. King County Metro operates three routes from the station: the RapidRide A Line, which continues north to Tukwila International Boulevard station and south to Federal Way Transit Center; route 156, which connects to Southcenter Mall, Des Moines and Highline College; and route 180, which connects to Burien, Kent and Auburn. Sound Transit runs two express bus routes to the station and airport terminal: route 560, which travels to West Seattle, Burien, Renton and Bellevue; and route 574, which travels south to Tacoma and Lakewood in Pierce County.
Note that this is taken from the original version, which made it clear in the first sentence that bus stops are not within the station, but are adjacent (without using a contentious word like adjacent). The downtown tunnel stations are extremely unique in having buses use the same platform as trains, so it should not be used as a counterexample; a normal surface station like Columbia City station is a better comparison, with buses that serve the station using stops that require a street crossing or two. They are adjacent but also serving the station, and thus the former does not need to be mentioned. More complex stations like Capitol Hill station also use bus stops that require a street crossing or two, and yet buses are still said to serve them.
I suggest that Vanguard10 cease with the use of personal attacks and defamation of myself. This isn't about ownership, but merely making sure that information is not misleading without violating WP:NOR and WP:V. Other editors have stepped in to say that the reverted versions had flaws that warranted reversion, and I agree with them. Sounder Bruce 04:45, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Let's work to not start an edit war. GA criteria include that there are no edit wars so let's maintain that standard.
There appears to be a great opposition by SounderBruce in the above section about the word "adjacent". SounderBruce appears to want the bus service to be in the station. Sorry it is not. That discussion should remain there (above section). This discussion is appeal to everyone, including SounderBruce not to jeopardize the GA bestowed to this article. Let's cooperate! Vanguard10 ( talk) 04:05, 8 May 2018 (UTC)