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Here is the only U.S. website I am aware of. [1] -- Jagz 04:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Here is some information for this article:
< http://www.uuworld.org/news/articles/45487.shtml>
RELATED RESOURCES
SpiralScouts. Earth-centered youth program sponsors 80 groups nationwide. (SpiralScouts.org)
Navigators. New York youth group offers alternative to Scouting. (NavigatorsUSA.org)
Work to Change Discriminatory Policies of Boy Scouts of America. Resolution adopted by the 1999 UUA General Assembly. (UUA.org)
Media Archive: Boy Scouts, Gays, Unitarian Universalists, and the Supreme Court. Includes media coverage of UUA's 1999 dispute with the Boy Scouts of America. (UUA.org)
Unitarian Universalist Scouters Organization. Officially recognized organization for Unitarian Universalists in the Boy Scout movement. (UUScouters.org)
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Jagz
17:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Is the BSA's federal charter constitutional? As stated in the article:
Although the use of religious tests by the federal government is unconstitutional in the United States, the U.S. Congress granted the charter to a private organization that uses a religious test for membership screening. The charter effectively gives the BSA a competitive advantage over other organizations who may wish to establish a Scouting program by giving the BSA exclusive rights that they have used for legal purposes as discussed in the Litigation section.
It seems that the federal government granting a charter to a private organization that uses a religious test for membership screening may be unconstitutional based on the Establishment Clause, especially because the charter gives the BSA exclusive rights that they have used to stifle competition. Does anyone know if the constitutionality of the federal charter has ever been challenged on this basis? -- Jagz 15:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I was asking if anyone knew if the constitutionality of the federal charter had ever been challenged on that basis. If so, I could research it and add the information to the article. The more I learned brought me to the conclusion that there may be an issue of constitutionality here, however, I have no legal training to base this on. I moved most of the information to a new article. -- Jagz 20:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
The article doesn't discuss the lack of Scouting opportunities in the USA for gay, atheist, and agnostic boys. -- Jagz ( talk) 15:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Wasn't most of Boy Scouts of America's predominance split from this article not too long ago? --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 19:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Other organizations to explore:
--— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 20:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
"Seton created a Brownies program in 1921 for girls and boys ages 6–11, based on his book, Woodland Tales; this program later merged into the GSUSA." - removed until verified --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 03:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Were the Tarzan clubs Scout-like? [4] -- Jagz ( talk) 22:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Is the merger of the article History of Scouting in the United States into this article complete? -- Jagz ( talk) 16:19, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
In the early years of Scouting in the United States of America, there were several Scouting organizations such as the Boy Scouts of America, National Scouts of America, Peace Scouts of California, Polish National Alliance Scouts, Rhode Island Boy Scouts, United States Boy Scouts, Lone Scouts, and many more. [1] The Boy Scouts of America (BSA) soon emerged as the largest source of Scouting to boys in the United States, a position it maintains to this day. The BSA is the only Scouting association of significance in the United States that boys can join and there are no comparable alternative organizations available to them throughout most of the country. The situation is different in some countries where there are currently a number of Scouting associations, including Canada and some European countries.
Scouting is a worldwide youth movement that began in the United Kingdom in 1907. After the founding of the Boy Scouts of America in 1910 and having received the endorsement of Baden-Powell, the BSA began an active campaign to absorb all other Scout-type youth organizations in the United States. [2] As a result, almost all competitors had ceased to exist within a few years. These mergers were friendly or necessitated by smaller Scouting organizations losing support to the growing BSA. The BSA administered their version of Scouting, which became the predominant version of Scouting in the United States.
References
--— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 00:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
The header needs a rewrite. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 19:19, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
The article POV is not neutral. It is too Scout-oriented. It needs to incorporate, among other themes, experiential education. So, I am leaving the cleanup tag in place. -- Una Smith ( talk) 02:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I am clarifying in the opening paragraph of this article that the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) holds the exclusive rights to the term "Scouting" in the United States. The BSA adopted the word Scouting at it's founding in 1911. The 1916 Federal charter 36 USC § 21 et. seq. gives the BSA "the exclusive right to use emblems, badges, descriptive or designating marks, and words and phrases [the BSA] adopts." Likewise, the domain scouting.org refers only to the BSA. — Milominderbinder2 talk 18:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The term "Scouting" is United States Trademark #73282546, first used on April 30, 1913. Partical List of BSA Trademarked Properites of the Boy Scouts of America. US House US Code Title 36 CHAPTER 309-Boy Scouts of Americagives the BSA "the exclusive right to use emblems, badges, descriptive or designating marks, and words and phrases [the BSA] adopts." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milominderbinder2 ( talk • contribs) 19:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
So what? Wikipedia is not bound by this ruling. Our job is to write a neutral article on Scouting that covers all Scouting organizations in each country. This article is the first portal into Scouting in the USA and it briefly covers all organizations that have links to Scouting organizations internationally or otherwise use the Scout method. It should not be restricted to the BSA. -- Bduke (Discussion) 23:12, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
This is an article about the "Scouting Movement in the United States", but we use the form of title that has been accepted here for similar articles on all countries. The "neutral article specifically about a trademarked brand" is Boy Scouts of America. -- Bduke (Discussion) 03:49, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
If this article is supposed to be about the "Scouting Movement in the United States," then it should be renamed so as not to delute the trademark "Scouting." "Scouting Movement" is a generic term and would not require a note that it is a trademark. "Scouting Movement in the United States" is like the article for facial tissue. "Scouting in the United States is like the corresponding article for Kleenex. If you want to use the trademarked word Scouting in the United States, you need an introductory note explaining that it is trademarked. We have fair use of trademarks but we must cite them as trademarks. Milominderbinder2 talk 17:13, 28 September 2008
"After the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the BSA's rights to the "Scouting" service mark, several scounting organizations were forced to change their names."
"In 1918, the Life Saving Scouts changed its name to LifeSaving Guards-Boys..."
---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:19, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello MAS Scouting is linked to the BSA und Girl Scouts of America. It is a project by the American Muslime Society.
"MAS Scouting Department (MSD) is the arm of the Muslim American Society that caters to the youngest generation of Muslim Americans, starting at the age of five. Established in August 2002, MSD is helping to network over 30 girls and boys scout units across the U.S. working through the Boy and Girl Scouts of America. Almost 1500 scouts are part of the MAS Scouting Department, which provides a network for all Islamic Scouting programs. " Source: http://muslimamericansociety.org/main/content/scouting-department
Informations: [8], [9], [10](among the changing photos is one of their Scout Troop,they all wear BSA uniforms). - Phips ( talk) 12:47, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Here is the only U.S. website I am aware of. [1] -- Jagz 04:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Here is some information for this article:
< http://www.uuworld.org/news/articles/45487.shtml>
RELATED RESOURCES
SpiralScouts. Earth-centered youth program sponsors 80 groups nationwide. (SpiralScouts.org)
Navigators. New York youth group offers alternative to Scouting. (NavigatorsUSA.org)
Work to Change Discriminatory Policies of Boy Scouts of America. Resolution adopted by the 1999 UUA General Assembly. (UUA.org)
Media Archive: Boy Scouts, Gays, Unitarian Universalists, and the Supreme Court. Includes media coverage of UUA's 1999 dispute with the Boy Scouts of America. (UUA.org)
Unitarian Universalist Scouters Organization. Officially recognized organization for Unitarian Universalists in the Boy Scout movement. (UUScouters.org)
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Jagz
17:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Is the BSA's federal charter constitutional? As stated in the article:
Although the use of religious tests by the federal government is unconstitutional in the United States, the U.S. Congress granted the charter to a private organization that uses a religious test for membership screening. The charter effectively gives the BSA a competitive advantage over other organizations who may wish to establish a Scouting program by giving the BSA exclusive rights that they have used for legal purposes as discussed in the Litigation section.
It seems that the federal government granting a charter to a private organization that uses a religious test for membership screening may be unconstitutional based on the Establishment Clause, especially because the charter gives the BSA exclusive rights that they have used to stifle competition. Does anyone know if the constitutionality of the federal charter has ever been challenged on this basis? -- Jagz 15:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I was asking if anyone knew if the constitutionality of the federal charter had ever been challenged on that basis. If so, I could research it and add the information to the article. The more I learned brought me to the conclusion that there may be an issue of constitutionality here, however, I have no legal training to base this on. I moved most of the information to a new article. -- Jagz 20:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
The article doesn't discuss the lack of Scouting opportunities in the USA for gay, atheist, and agnostic boys. -- Jagz ( talk) 15:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Wasn't most of Boy Scouts of America's predominance split from this article not too long ago? --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 19:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Other organizations to explore:
--— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 20:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
"Seton created a Brownies program in 1921 for girls and boys ages 6–11, based on his book, Woodland Tales; this program later merged into the GSUSA." - removed until verified --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 03:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Were the Tarzan clubs Scout-like? [4] -- Jagz ( talk) 22:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Is the merger of the article History of Scouting in the United States into this article complete? -- Jagz ( talk) 16:19, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
In the early years of Scouting in the United States of America, there were several Scouting organizations such as the Boy Scouts of America, National Scouts of America, Peace Scouts of California, Polish National Alliance Scouts, Rhode Island Boy Scouts, United States Boy Scouts, Lone Scouts, and many more. [1] The Boy Scouts of America (BSA) soon emerged as the largest source of Scouting to boys in the United States, a position it maintains to this day. The BSA is the only Scouting association of significance in the United States that boys can join and there are no comparable alternative organizations available to them throughout most of the country. The situation is different in some countries where there are currently a number of Scouting associations, including Canada and some European countries.
Scouting is a worldwide youth movement that began in the United Kingdom in 1907. After the founding of the Boy Scouts of America in 1910 and having received the endorsement of Baden-Powell, the BSA began an active campaign to absorb all other Scout-type youth organizations in the United States. [2] As a result, almost all competitors had ceased to exist within a few years. These mergers were friendly or necessitated by smaller Scouting organizations losing support to the growing BSA. The BSA administered their version of Scouting, which became the predominant version of Scouting in the United States.
References
--— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 00:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
The header needs a rewrite. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 19:19, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
The article POV is not neutral. It is too Scout-oriented. It needs to incorporate, among other themes, experiential education. So, I am leaving the cleanup tag in place. -- Una Smith ( talk) 02:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I am clarifying in the opening paragraph of this article that the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) holds the exclusive rights to the term "Scouting" in the United States. The BSA adopted the word Scouting at it's founding in 1911. The 1916 Federal charter 36 USC § 21 et. seq. gives the BSA "the exclusive right to use emblems, badges, descriptive or designating marks, and words and phrases [the BSA] adopts." Likewise, the domain scouting.org refers only to the BSA. — Milominderbinder2 talk 18:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The term "Scouting" is United States Trademark #73282546, first used on April 30, 1913. Partical List of BSA Trademarked Properites of the Boy Scouts of America. US House US Code Title 36 CHAPTER 309-Boy Scouts of Americagives the BSA "the exclusive right to use emblems, badges, descriptive or designating marks, and words and phrases [the BSA] adopts." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milominderbinder2 ( talk • contribs) 19:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
So what? Wikipedia is not bound by this ruling. Our job is to write a neutral article on Scouting that covers all Scouting organizations in each country. This article is the first portal into Scouting in the USA and it briefly covers all organizations that have links to Scouting organizations internationally or otherwise use the Scout method. It should not be restricted to the BSA. -- Bduke (Discussion) 23:12, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
This is an article about the "Scouting Movement in the United States", but we use the form of title that has been accepted here for similar articles on all countries. The "neutral article specifically about a trademarked brand" is Boy Scouts of America. -- Bduke (Discussion) 03:49, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
If this article is supposed to be about the "Scouting Movement in the United States," then it should be renamed so as not to delute the trademark "Scouting." "Scouting Movement" is a generic term and would not require a note that it is a trademark. "Scouting Movement in the United States" is like the article for facial tissue. "Scouting in the United States is like the corresponding article for Kleenex. If you want to use the trademarked word Scouting in the United States, you need an introductory note explaining that it is trademarked. We have fair use of trademarks but we must cite them as trademarks. Milominderbinder2 talk 17:13, 28 September 2008
"After the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the BSA's rights to the "Scouting" service mark, several scounting organizations were forced to change their names."
"In 1918, the Life Saving Scouts changed its name to LifeSaving Guards-Boys..."
---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:19, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello MAS Scouting is linked to the BSA und Girl Scouts of America. It is a project by the American Muslime Society.
"MAS Scouting Department (MSD) is the arm of the Muslim American Society that caters to the youngest generation of Muslim Americans, starting at the age of five. Established in August 2002, MSD is helping to network over 30 girls and boys scout units across the U.S. working through the Boy and Girl Scouts of America. Almost 1500 scouts are part of the MAS Scouting Department, which provides a network for all Islamic Scouting programs. " Source: http://muslimamericansociety.org/main/content/scouting-department
Informations: [8], [9], [10](among the changing photos is one of their Scout Troop,they all wear BSA uniforms). - Phips ( talk) 12:47, 30 August 2012 (UTC)