Scouting in Russia is part of the Scouting WikiProject, an effort to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to
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that are nearly all ethnic subdivisions; if correct this could be shortened to Today, Scouting is present in nearly all ethnic sundivisions of Russia. --
jergen22:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Image copyright problem with Image:RussiaNORS-R.jpg
The image
Image:RussiaNORS-R.jpg is used in this article under a claim of
fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the
requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an
explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
That there is a
non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
That this article is linked to from the image description page.
Thank you for being civil, these image removal issues lately have been contentious. We're in the midst of a typhoon right now, but I'm still supposed to work tomorrow. I plan to respond fully, but I am going to bed now. Please hold off on more removals, I'll be back in 18 hours, sorry for the delay.--
Kintetsubuffalo (
talk)
17:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your patience. I noticed you mentioned the topic-banned editor, I believe you think his work is necessary, but the strife and contention he creates are most definitely not-our Scouting Project Coordinator had to take a wikibreak from stress with that user-and he's an admin, so that's not a good situation in any measure.
When I saw my talkpage had turned orange, because of the above situation, I was actually loaded for bear for a fight with you, so I again am thankful for your civility and for actually following the request to go to the talkpage.
This issue has been hashed and rehashed over five years, as you can see in the Scouting WikiProject archives at least four times with different NFCC-enforcers; the agreement that has been cobbled together is that when a nation has multiple Scout organizations, showing their emblems is not a violation of NFCC. Because of strange situations in countries, where badges are available but websites or material even in their own language is scarce, at that point it's not a gallery for decorative purposes, the images are a form of documentation themselves. You can see how professional the Russian emblems in particular are-those were made for us specifically by Wikigraphists from crude badges, so this is something we are serious about, fully aware others may perceive issues.
You removed those images without fair-use rationales, that's okay, those can be either fixed or left out on a case-by-case basis.
In your edit summaries you stated "I don't believe...", appearing that the removals are your opinion only. Others believe differently and we have discussed this issue multiple times at great length, vide the archives. It's not a simple case of decoration or image overuse, and while it is not the optimum situation, it is not a violation though at first that is not so obvious. You at least take the time to listen, and thank you. Your colleague above barrels through, so I am quite happy with his topic ban. It's not the substance, it's the approach that is important oftentimes.
By going after large numbers of Scout articles in a short timeframe, it may appear you are targeting Scout articles for some reason-now I trust you are not deliberately doing so, but it was my first impression and I thought, "great, another fight..." :( Please be careful with this.
As discussed at length with the above user, which got him topic-banned from NFCC, just because there is a rule out there, does not mean one is obligated to enforce it to the detriment of other Wikirules (it does sometimes clash) or overriding existing discussions of other projects. It's meant to protect Wiki, not an ironclad device to beat other users away with.
I think that they do inherently convey relevant information (i.e. what the organization-level emblems are for the captioned scouting in Russia organizations) but I added a sentence saying that to sort of double up on that. North8000 (
talk)
14:24, 22 July 2011 (UTC)reply
This gallery appears to be a straight-out violation of the "minimal use" clause, if this has been discussed before can links to those discussions please be provided? Aaron Brenneman (
talk)
03:22, 1 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Scouting in Russia is part of the Scouting WikiProject, an effort to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to
Scouting and
Guiding on the Wikipedia. This includes but is not limited to boy and girl organizations,
WAGGGS and
WOSM organizations as well as those not so affiliated, country and region-specific topics, and anything else related to Scouting. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the
project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the
discussion.ScoutingWikipedia:WikiProject ScoutingTemplate:WikiProject ScoutingScouting articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Russia, a
WikiProject dedicated to coverage of
Russia on Wikipedia. To participate: Feel free to edit the article attached to this page, join up at the
project page, or contribute to the
project discussion.RussiaWikipedia:WikiProject RussiaTemplate:WikiProject RussiaRussia articles
This article has been given a rating which conflicts with the
project-independent quality rating in the banner shell. Please resolve this conflict if possible.
that are nearly all ethnic subdivisions; if correct this could be shortened to Today, Scouting is present in nearly all ethnic sundivisions of Russia. --
jergen22:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Image copyright problem with Image:RussiaNORS-R.jpg
The image
Image:RussiaNORS-R.jpg is used in this article under a claim of
fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the
requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an
explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
That there is a
non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
That this article is linked to from the image description page.
Thank you for being civil, these image removal issues lately have been contentious. We're in the midst of a typhoon right now, but I'm still supposed to work tomorrow. I plan to respond fully, but I am going to bed now. Please hold off on more removals, I'll be back in 18 hours, sorry for the delay.--
Kintetsubuffalo (
talk)
17:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your patience. I noticed you mentioned the topic-banned editor, I believe you think his work is necessary, but the strife and contention he creates are most definitely not-our Scouting Project Coordinator had to take a wikibreak from stress with that user-and he's an admin, so that's not a good situation in any measure.
When I saw my talkpage had turned orange, because of the above situation, I was actually loaded for bear for a fight with you, so I again am thankful for your civility and for actually following the request to go to the talkpage.
This issue has been hashed and rehashed over five years, as you can see in the Scouting WikiProject archives at least four times with different NFCC-enforcers; the agreement that has been cobbled together is that when a nation has multiple Scout organizations, showing their emblems is not a violation of NFCC. Because of strange situations in countries, where badges are available but websites or material even in their own language is scarce, at that point it's not a gallery for decorative purposes, the images are a form of documentation themselves. You can see how professional the Russian emblems in particular are-those were made for us specifically by Wikigraphists from crude badges, so this is something we are serious about, fully aware others may perceive issues.
You removed those images without fair-use rationales, that's okay, those can be either fixed or left out on a case-by-case basis.
In your edit summaries you stated "I don't believe...", appearing that the removals are your opinion only. Others believe differently and we have discussed this issue multiple times at great length, vide the archives. It's not a simple case of decoration or image overuse, and while it is not the optimum situation, it is not a violation though at first that is not so obvious. You at least take the time to listen, and thank you. Your colleague above barrels through, so I am quite happy with his topic ban. It's not the substance, it's the approach that is important oftentimes.
By going after large numbers of Scout articles in a short timeframe, it may appear you are targeting Scout articles for some reason-now I trust you are not deliberately doing so, but it was my first impression and I thought, "great, another fight..." :( Please be careful with this.
As discussed at length with the above user, which got him topic-banned from NFCC, just because there is a rule out there, does not mean one is obligated to enforce it to the detriment of other Wikirules (it does sometimes clash) or overriding existing discussions of other projects. It's meant to protect Wiki, not an ironclad device to beat other users away with.
I think that they do inherently convey relevant information (i.e. what the organization-level emblems are for the captioned scouting in Russia organizations) but I added a sentence saying that to sort of double up on that. North8000 (
talk)
14:24, 22 July 2011 (UTC)reply
This gallery appears to be a straight-out violation of the "minimal use" clause, if this has been discussed before can links to those discussions please be provided? Aaron Brenneman (
talk)
03:22, 1 August 2011 (UTC)reply