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Done. -- Bduke 02:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I think this page was better at Scouting in Victoria because this is a more general title that allows for history of scouting prior to Scouts Australia and of other sections. The title is also easier to understand for non scouters ... maelgwn talk 09:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Agree completely. Scouting in Victoria in similar to articles the Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting is concerned with throughout the world. It is also compatable with the other States and Territories. I have reverting the change. It was also not a proper move as the talk page remained here. If the editor who did this wants to pursue it, please discuss it on the talk page here. It would have to be a move not just a copy and edit to give a redirect. I've copied this over to the talk page of Scouting in Victoria here and made Talk:Scouts Australia - Victoria Branch a redirect. -- Bduke 12:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Note: The above is related to the copy of the article to Scouts Australia - Victoria Branch which was improper as it was not a move but just a copy and replacing the content with a redirect. Everything is back here now and any change should be discussed here first. -- Bduke 12:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
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I have tagged all three of these articles for merge to Scouting in Victoria, although it is possible that some material should be added to Rovers (Australia). I think all three can be treated together. They are all for small sections of the Scouting movement that are much smaller than is considered notable by the the standards of Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/RulesStandards. This excludes articles on Districts, Groups, Troops, individual events, camp sites in all but rather exceptional circumstances. I have no doubt that if they were proposed to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, they would be deleted. Let us save some good material here and merge the content. It is also clear that none of them have good independent sources. All three should be merged. -- Bduke 13:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I have merged Rover Motorsport and Mudbash into Mafeking Rover Park as the first stage of this merge process. This brings together all the motorsport stuff into one place. It is probably a good idea to clean this up further before completing the merge. -- Bduke 00:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I changed Mafeking Rover Park a little to try and include all states but now I see that I've dwindled off topic a bit. Unless anyone has any problems I think the merge should go ahead into Rovers (Australia) with a change of emphasis away from Victoria a little. :: maelgwn :: talk 03:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Merge' completed. -- Bduke 00:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Propose merge according to above discussion and due to lack of notability. :: maelgwn :: talk 13:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Done :: maelgwn :: talk 09:14, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
A great job. I agree with what you have done. A few small points. Is the order right? Perhaps Gilwell is more important than Mafeking and should come first. The campsite infoboxes are fine on separate articles but seem to clutter the page here. Should they be removed? -- Bduke 01:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Do you need to merge them because wikipedia is running out of space?
If so, why not get rid of all these unnecessary Ferrari pages: Results 1-20 of 5507 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next » Ferrari 412 Relevance: 100.0% - - Ferrari 225 Relevance: 100.0% - - Ferrary Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 430 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 612 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 575 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 159 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 195 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 212 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 375 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 156 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 310 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 126 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 125 Relevance: 96.5% - - Ferraris Relevance: 95.3% - - Ferrari 166 Relevance: 94.9% - - Ferrari 308 Relevance: 94.3% - - Ferrari 328 Relevance: 93.8% - - Ferrari 625 Relevance: 93.8% - - Ferrari 400 Relevance: 93.7% - -
I mean, they are all just cars, so they should be merged with the article
Automobile.--
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Wikipedia is not running out of space. It is a question of quality and this is related to whether the topics are notable and the information is verifiable and referenced. Material that is not notable enough for an article can be OK to be part of a more general and notable article. There is also the point that too many small articles (stubs) are difficult to maintain. You will also find that pointing to other articles as being bad does not go down well on Wikipedia. If you want to delete or merge those articles on cars go and try and do it. It is not an argument about these Scouting articles.
Are you the editor who started these articles? If so, what do you think should happen do them? And do you think they would survive being nominated for deletion at WP:AFD? Which of the above merges are you most concerned with? A merge could keep everything that is encyclopedic. For Scouting articles we try to follow these standards and other conventions developed by the Scouting WikiProject. Take care and try to understand the Wikipedia project. It is not for everything. -- Bduke 09:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Mafeking Rover Park was merged here over a year ago, but recently the merge was reversed and an edit war has started. So let us discuss it here and get consensus.
I have done the merge by just reverting back to the last redirect page. There seems nothing further to add here. This discussion has been open for nearly a month with no objection to the merge. -- Bduke ( talk) 01:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, the merge has been done, after a second discussion. Nothing is really "inherently notable". The article did not assert notability for the trail system. Who has independently noticed the trail system and given us a third party source to reference that it is notable? In fact the article had no third party sources, which is one reason why it should not stand alone. However, there is no reason why the trail system can not be briefly discussed in the section in Scouting in Victoria, but that section should not grow out of proportion to the rest. -- Bduke ( talk) 21:32, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
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Merge: Rovering in Victoria describes activities (mostly non-notable) for a section within Scouts Australia. Both facilities mentioned are open to everybody and not restricted to Rovers. -- jergen ( talk) 10:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
It has been proposed that Britannia Park (Girl Guides Victoria) be merged here, although no reasons were given by the editor who added the merge tags. Please discuss below. -- Bduke (Discussion) 07:05, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I will close this as leave for now, thought I am not entirely convinced, I expect that the history of the site and the number of events that occur there make it notable. -- maelgwn - talk 04:24, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Is there a copy of this stature in Australia as The Ideal Scout asserts in its lede, and is it at Gilwell Park in Victoria? The "The Ideal Scout" article has a photo saying it at Gilwell Park, Australia, but it is a photo of the stature at Gilwell Park, England. I altered the link there to the section here on Gilwell Park before realising that the photo is not of a stature in Australia. -- Bduke (Discussion) 21:38, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
The section on venturers says VG is one of the larger events on the calendar and that the event changes location every 2 years. Could a citation from http://www.vicgathering.asn.au/ be used to back this up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.216.250.133 ( talk) 13:19, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Chief Scout has been disambiguated, I think at least twice, to Chief Scout (Victoria, Australia)). This implies that an article should exist with that title. That implies that the topic is notable. I very much doubt if that is the case. Please discuss if you think it is notable, or you can think of alternatives. -- Bduke (Discussion) 09:33, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
The Scouting WikiProject does not support articles on individual units unless they are extremely notable. This article has one semi-outside source and one selfie, it should be merged here.-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 09:48, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
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Done. -- Bduke 02:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I think this page was better at Scouting in Victoria because this is a more general title that allows for history of scouting prior to Scouts Australia and of other sections. The title is also easier to understand for non scouters ... maelgwn talk 09:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Agree completely. Scouting in Victoria in similar to articles the Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting is concerned with throughout the world. It is also compatable with the other States and Territories. I have reverting the change. It was also not a proper move as the talk page remained here. If the editor who did this wants to pursue it, please discuss it on the talk page here. It would have to be a move not just a copy and edit to give a redirect. I've copied this over to the talk page of Scouting in Victoria here and made Talk:Scouts Australia - Victoria Branch a redirect. -- Bduke 12:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Note: The above is related to the copy of the article to Scouts Australia - Victoria Branch which was improper as it was not a move but just a copy and replacing the content with a redirect. Everything is back here now and any change should be discussed here first. -- Bduke 12:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Support
Oppose
Keep
I have tagged all three of these articles for merge to Scouting in Victoria, although it is possible that some material should be added to Rovers (Australia). I think all three can be treated together. They are all for small sections of the Scouting movement that are much smaller than is considered notable by the the standards of Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/RulesStandards. This excludes articles on Districts, Groups, Troops, individual events, camp sites in all but rather exceptional circumstances. I have no doubt that if they were proposed to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, they would be deleted. Let us save some good material here and merge the content. It is also clear that none of them have good independent sources. All three should be merged. -- Bduke 13:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I have merged Rover Motorsport and Mudbash into Mafeking Rover Park as the first stage of this merge process. This brings together all the motorsport stuff into one place. It is probably a good idea to clean this up further before completing the merge. -- Bduke 00:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I changed Mafeking Rover Park a little to try and include all states but now I see that I've dwindled off topic a bit. Unless anyone has any problems I think the merge should go ahead into Rovers (Australia) with a change of emphasis away from Victoria a little. :: maelgwn :: talk 03:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Merge' completed. -- Bduke 00:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Propose merge according to above discussion and due to lack of notability. :: maelgwn :: talk 13:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Done :: maelgwn :: talk 09:14, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
A great job. I agree with what you have done. A few small points. Is the order right? Perhaps Gilwell is more important than Mafeking and should come first. The campsite infoboxes are fine on separate articles but seem to clutter the page here. Should they be removed? -- Bduke 01:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Do you need to merge them because wikipedia is running out of space?
If so, why not get rid of all these unnecessary Ferrari pages: Results 1-20 of 5507 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next » Ferrari 412 Relevance: 100.0% - - Ferrari 225 Relevance: 100.0% - - Ferrary Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 430 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 612 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 575 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 159 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 195 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 212 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 375 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 156 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 310 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 126 Relevance: 98.2% - - Ferrari 125 Relevance: 96.5% - - Ferraris Relevance: 95.3% - - Ferrari 166 Relevance: 94.9% - - Ferrari 308 Relevance: 94.3% - - Ferrari 328 Relevance: 93.8% - - Ferrari 625 Relevance: 93.8% - - Ferrari 400 Relevance: 93.7% - -
I mean, they are all just cars, so they should be merged with the article
Automobile.--
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08:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not running out of space. It is a question of quality and this is related to whether the topics are notable and the information is verifiable and referenced. Material that is not notable enough for an article can be OK to be part of a more general and notable article. There is also the point that too many small articles (stubs) are difficult to maintain. You will also find that pointing to other articles as being bad does not go down well on Wikipedia. If you want to delete or merge those articles on cars go and try and do it. It is not an argument about these Scouting articles.
Are you the editor who started these articles? If so, what do you think should happen do them? And do you think they would survive being nominated for deletion at WP:AFD? Which of the above merges are you most concerned with? A merge could keep everything that is encyclopedic. For Scouting articles we try to follow these standards and other conventions developed by the Scouting WikiProject. Take care and try to understand the Wikipedia project. It is not for everything. -- Bduke 09:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Mafeking Rover Park was merged here over a year ago, but recently the merge was reversed and an edit war has started. So let us discuss it here and get consensus.
I have done the merge by just reverting back to the last redirect page. There seems nothing further to add here. This discussion has been open for nearly a month with no objection to the merge. -- Bduke ( talk) 01:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, the merge has been done, after a second discussion. Nothing is really "inherently notable". The article did not assert notability for the trail system. Who has independently noticed the trail system and given us a third party source to reference that it is notable? In fact the article had no third party sources, which is one reason why it should not stand alone. However, there is no reason why the trail system can not be briefly discussed in the section in Scouting in Victoria, but that section should not grow out of proportion to the rest. -- Bduke ( talk) 21:32, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
The image Image:Scouts Australia.svg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
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Merge: Rovering in Victoria describes activities (mostly non-notable) for a section within Scouts Australia. Both facilities mentioned are open to everybody and not restricted to Rovers. -- jergen ( talk) 10:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
It has been proposed that Britannia Park (Girl Guides Victoria) be merged here, although no reasons were given by the editor who added the merge tags. Please discuss below. -- Bduke (Discussion) 07:05, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I will close this as leave for now, thought I am not entirely convinced, I expect that the history of the site and the number of events that occur there make it notable. -- maelgwn - talk 04:24, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Is there a copy of this stature in Australia as The Ideal Scout asserts in its lede, and is it at Gilwell Park in Victoria? The "The Ideal Scout" article has a photo saying it at Gilwell Park, Australia, but it is a photo of the stature at Gilwell Park, England. I altered the link there to the section here on Gilwell Park before realising that the photo is not of a stature in Australia. -- Bduke (Discussion) 21:38, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
The section on venturers says VG is one of the larger events on the calendar and that the event changes location every 2 years. Could a citation from http://www.vicgathering.asn.au/ be used to back this up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.216.250.133 ( talk) 13:19, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Chief Scout has been disambiguated, I think at least twice, to Chief Scout (Victoria, Australia)). This implies that an article should exist with that title. That implies that the topic is notable. I very much doubt if that is the case. Please discuss if you think it is notable, or you can think of alternatives. -- Bduke (Discussion) 09:33, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
The Scouting WikiProject does not support articles on individual units unless they are extremely notable. This article has one semi-outside source and one selfie, it should be merged here.-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 09:48, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
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