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I've marked this as a merge, but actually I'm not sure if there's anything in that page that isn't completely superfluous with this one. Perhaps it can just be gotten rid of by someone more confident. 4pq1injbok ( talk) 02:52, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
By the way, an idea I think would be more perspicuous, i.e. giving a better view of the system as a whole, would be a two-dimensional table with spellings on one axis and environments on the other, to bring out the patterns like "(subject to other adjustments,) single V in a syllable closed by an unlenited resonant gets an extra mora; this is /ː/ before /r̴/ and otherwise /i̯/ or /u̯/ depending on slenderness of the resonant".
I'm deterred from sitting down and just doing it though because (1) I don't know which special-case environments have been left out of the current tables 'cause they don't occur in any word and which ones are actually exceptionally non-special; (2) the synthesis police would yell at me; (3) people looking for quick and easy usability rather than systemics would probably also yell at me. 4pq1injbok ( talk) 00:22, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Suggest removing the image file file:Irish script.gif as it does not reflect the subject matter of the article, which is Scottish Gaelic orthography, not Gaelic typefaces. It seems contrary to the point of the article to show right next to a paragraph explaining modern Scottish Gaelic orthography's use of only the grave accent to have an image of Irish writing that depicts the acute accent throughout. In order to illustrate the meaning of the paragraph, an image or an example showing modern Scottish Gaelic spelling—regardless of typeface—would be better suited. Farefeerfalling ( talk) 15:16, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Prior the 1981 Gaelic Orthographic Convention (GOC), Scottish Gaelic traditionally used acute accents on ⟨a, e, o⟩ to denote close-mid long vowels, clearly graphemically distinguishing ⟨è⟩ /ɛː/ and ⟨é⟩ /eː/, and ⟨ò⟩ /ɔː/ and ⟨ó⟩ /oː/.Of course it would be better to have a Scottish text set in a Gaelic typeface, but unless you can find one (that is out of copyright so it may be uploaded), I don't see how else to illustrate the text. (I considered File:Gaelic-fonts.png but IMO at least it would not be an improvement. Others may disagree?) -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 16:12, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
This article has some historical information it, but it is completely scattered, and there are relevant bits at Scottish Gaelic that aren't included. This badly needs a "History" section that provides a description, chronologically, of major changes, especially the switch in the diacritic direction, and other divergences that readers are apt to be looking for information about. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 17:31, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
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I've marked this as a merge, but actually I'm not sure if there's anything in that page that isn't completely superfluous with this one. Perhaps it can just be gotten rid of by someone more confident. 4pq1injbok ( talk) 02:52, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
By the way, an idea I think would be more perspicuous, i.e. giving a better view of the system as a whole, would be a two-dimensional table with spellings on one axis and environments on the other, to bring out the patterns like "(subject to other adjustments,) single V in a syllable closed by an unlenited resonant gets an extra mora; this is /ː/ before /r̴/ and otherwise /i̯/ or /u̯/ depending on slenderness of the resonant".
I'm deterred from sitting down and just doing it though because (1) I don't know which special-case environments have been left out of the current tables 'cause they don't occur in any word and which ones are actually exceptionally non-special; (2) the synthesis police would yell at me; (3) people looking for quick and easy usability rather than systemics would probably also yell at me. 4pq1injbok ( talk) 00:22, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Suggest removing the image file file:Irish script.gif as it does not reflect the subject matter of the article, which is Scottish Gaelic orthography, not Gaelic typefaces. It seems contrary to the point of the article to show right next to a paragraph explaining modern Scottish Gaelic orthography's use of only the grave accent to have an image of Irish writing that depicts the acute accent throughout. In order to illustrate the meaning of the paragraph, an image or an example showing modern Scottish Gaelic spelling—regardless of typeface—would be better suited. Farefeerfalling ( talk) 15:16, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Prior the 1981 Gaelic Orthographic Convention (GOC), Scottish Gaelic traditionally used acute accents on ⟨a, e, o⟩ to denote close-mid long vowels, clearly graphemically distinguishing ⟨è⟩ /ɛː/ and ⟨é⟩ /eː/, and ⟨ò⟩ /ɔː/ and ⟨ó⟩ /oː/.Of course it would be better to have a Scottish text set in a Gaelic typeface, but unless you can find one (that is out of copyright so it may be uploaded), I don't see how else to illustrate the text. (I considered File:Gaelic-fonts.png but IMO at least it would not be an improvement. Others may disagree?) -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 16:12, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
This article has some historical information it, but it is completely scattered, and there are relevant bits at Scottish Gaelic that aren't included. This badly needs a "History" section that provides a description, chronologically, of major changes, especially the switch in the diacritic direction, and other divergences that readers are apt to be looking for information about. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 17:31, 13 December 2023 (UTC)