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I removed some trivia from this article - a boring listing of bi-partisan political contributions, and I intend to work further on bringing this low quality article up to a readable standard. As I was reverted - and I reverted back - I'm opening a discussion here on the talk page.-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 19:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC) Addendum: It is worth noting that this was not well-sourced information - the only source given wasn't just a blog - it was just a blog comment. It is entirely possible that one could conduct original research by going to the FEC for the raw data, but Wikipedia requires reliable secondary sources and specifically forbids original research. The reason this is important, in this case, is the likelihood of there being an intention of "guilt by association" - the suggestion that the politicians involved are somehow tainted by their association. But since this listing is of a wide variety of contributions in standard statutory amounts, i.e. routine legal political contributions, a mere listing of them is not sufficient to show that they are unusual or gave Mr. Rothstein any special level of access to the politicians in question. It's a BLP issue to list them as if they are important, and unless we can find a reliable third party source (not a blog comment) to illustrate their importance, it is reasonable to assume that they are not. (After all, none are mentioned in any reliable sources about the case, as far as I have seen.) Remember: just because something is sourceable, even to a reliable source, that doesn't mean it is appropriate for Wikipedia. And in this case, it is not even clear that this information would be sourceable to a reliable source. This is why I have removed it for a second time.-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 20:03, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Followup: in order that we can probe the details of the question, I've converted the NewsMeat list into a sortable Wikitable:
Party | Election | Date | Donee | Amount | Name |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
D | general | 2009-06-01 | FRIENDS FOR HARRY REID | $2,400.00 | REID, HARRY (D) |
D | general | 2008-09-26 | BERMAN FOR CONGRESS | $2,300.00 | BERMAN, HOWARD L. (D) |
D | general | 2006-10-12 | FRIENDS OF JOE LIEBERMAN | $1,000.00 | LIEBERMAN, JOSEPH I (D) |
D | general | 2006-10-11 | FRIENDS OF SHERROD BROWN | $1,000.00 | BROWN, SHERROD (D) |
D | general | 2006-03-28 | CITIZENS FOR ARLEN SPECTER | $2,100.00 | SPECTER, ARLEN (D) |
D | primary | 2009-06-01 | FRIENDS FOR HARRY REID | $2,400.00 | REID, HARRY (D) |
D | primary | 2007-09-30 | RICHARDSON FOR PRESIDENT INC. | $800.00 | RICHARDSON, BILL (D) |
D | primary | 2007-03-06 | RICHARDSON FOR PRESIDENT INC. | $1,500.00 | RICHARDSON, BILL (D) |
D | primary | 2006-06-17 | BILL NELSON FOR U S SENATE | $1,000.00 | NELSON, BILL (D) |
D | primary | 2006-03-28 | CITIZENS FOR ARLEN SPECTER | $2,100.00 | SPECTER, ARLEN (D) |
D | primary | 1995-09-29 | CLINTON/GORE '96 PRIMARY COMMITTEE INC | $1,000.00 | CLINTON, WILLIAM JEFFERSON (D) |
R | general | 2009-06-30 | CHARLIE CRIST FOR US SENATE | $2,400.00 | CRIST, CHARLIE (R) |
R | general | 2008-12-29 | MARTINEZ FOR SENATE | -$2,300.00 | MARTINEZ, MEL (R) |
R | general | 2008-06-30 | TOM ROONEY FOR CONGRESS | $2,300.00 | ROONEY, TOM (R) |
R | general | 2007-02-21 | MARTINEZ FOR SENATE | $2,300.00 | MARTINEZ, MEL (R) |
R | general | 2004-10-07 | FRIENDS OF CLAY SHAW | $500.00 | SHAW, E CLAY JR (R) |
R | primary | 2009-06-30 | CHARLIE CRIST FOR US SENATE | $2,400.00 | CRIST, CHARLIE (R) |
R | primary | 2009-01-26 | REPUBLICAN PARTY OF FLORIDA (R) | $10,000.00 | |
R | primary | 2008-10-14 | MCCAIN-PALIN VICTORY 2008 | $37,500.00 | MCCAIN, JOHN S. (R) |
R | primary | 2008-07-31 | MCCAIN VICTORY 2008 | -$2,200.00 | MCCAIN, JOHN S. (R) |
R | primary | 2008-06-30 | TOM ROONEY FOR CONGRESS | $2,300.00 | ROONEY, TOM (R) |
R | primary | 2008-05-07 | MCCAIN VICTORY 2008 | $70,000.00 | MCCAIN, JOHN S. (R) |
R | primary | 2008-04-30 | REPUBLICAN PARTY OF FLORIDA (R) | $10,000.00 | |
R | primary | 2007-07-17 | REPUBLICAN PARTY OF FLORIDA (R) | $10,000.00 | |
R | primary | 2007-03-23 | JOHN MCCAIN 2008 INC. | $2,300.00 | MCCAIN, JOHN S. (R) |
R | primary | 2007-02-21 | MARTINEZ FOR SENATE | $2,300.00 | MARTINEZ, MEL (R) |
R | primary | 2005-12-21 | NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE (R) | $500.00 | |
R | primary | 2004-07-30 | NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) | $1,000.00 | |
R | primary | 2004-06-23 | MARTINEZ FOR SENATE | $1,000.00 | MARTINEZ, MEL (R) |
R | primary | 2004-05-03 | FRIENDS OF CONNIE MACK | $1,000.00 | MACK, CONNIE (R) |
R | primary | 2004-03-25 | FRIENDS OF JOHNNIE BYRD | $1,000.00 | BYRD, JOHNNIE B (R) |
R | primary | 2004-03-11 | NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE (R) | $500.00 | |
R | primary | 2004-01-28 | FRIENDS OF CONNIE MACK | $500.00 | MACK, CONNIE (R) |
R | primary | 2003-06-30 | BUSH-CHENEY '04 (PRIMARY) INC | $2,000.00 | BUSH, GEORGE W (R) |
R | primary | 2002-09-25 | REPUBLICAN PARTY OF FLORIDA (R) | $5,000.00 |
Now the raw totals (from NewsMeat) are $17,600 for Democrats and $162,300 for Republicans. But this can't avoid a few decisions. The Republican donations as summed by OpenOffice cancel out $2300 donation to Mel Martinez and $2200 to John McCain that were returned in 2008. This may be the wrong way to do it, because if the Republicans follow through and return all the money, then the amount could go to zero (or negative, because somehow this NewsMeat search doesn't get anywhere near $500,000!) The other issue is that $4200 to Arlen Specter in 2006 is listed as part of the Democratic donations, but he was a Republican at that time. Then again, one might argue, with little exaggeration, that as Specter was a pro-science Senator and not a complete drooling idiot, that a reasonable man should have been able to foresee that he would be ejected from the GOP. If the complete dataset is used, we can avoid any possible allegation of WP:OR and so on. But if we wish brevity, we need to make a few decisions. In this case I shall decide that returned donations still count toward a total, but that the NewsMeat designation of party is final. In this way I reach something like:
"Newsmeat tracked a list of SEC filings for a total of $166,800 to the Republican Party and candidates, including $109,800 to John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign, and $17,600 to Democratic candidates. [1]
Wnt ( talk) 21:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
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Information should also be added about his sentence reduction recently requested by federal prosecutors, I believe. I don't have access to edit that part it seems. Here is one article, but there are many others: http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-06-08/news/fl-rothstein-ponzi-sentence-reduction20110608_1_ponzi-schemer-scott-rothstein-marc-nurik-fort-lauderdale-attorney — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeffreyW75 ( talk • contribs) 14:10, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
¶ I realize that this is a complex topic. Some parts of the article (such as "Recent") shuffle events chronologically, mixing events that occurred after arrest among events that occurred before the fraud was discovered. The timeline ought to be made clearer. By the way, the cable TV show, American Greed, had devoted an hour to this case and has material in its website. Sussmanbern ( talk) 06:50, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
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The writing is atrocious in this article. I cannot begin to say how painful it is to read. It is an interesting topic with some important information, but the writing is confused and perhaps done by someone with a passion but without any writing training (I would say ability). It is throughout, but an example would be the murder case--who was actually murdered is mentioned briefly in passing in the third paragraph, and is easily missed. It is painful writing, and a painful read. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.95.5.225 ( talk) 10:49, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
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I removed some trivia from this article - a boring listing of bi-partisan political contributions, and I intend to work further on bringing this low quality article up to a readable standard. As I was reverted - and I reverted back - I'm opening a discussion here on the talk page.-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 19:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC) Addendum: It is worth noting that this was not well-sourced information - the only source given wasn't just a blog - it was just a blog comment. It is entirely possible that one could conduct original research by going to the FEC for the raw data, but Wikipedia requires reliable secondary sources and specifically forbids original research. The reason this is important, in this case, is the likelihood of there being an intention of "guilt by association" - the suggestion that the politicians involved are somehow tainted by their association. But since this listing is of a wide variety of contributions in standard statutory amounts, i.e. routine legal political contributions, a mere listing of them is not sufficient to show that they are unusual or gave Mr. Rothstein any special level of access to the politicians in question. It's a BLP issue to list them as if they are important, and unless we can find a reliable third party source (not a blog comment) to illustrate their importance, it is reasonable to assume that they are not. (After all, none are mentioned in any reliable sources about the case, as far as I have seen.) Remember: just because something is sourceable, even to a reliable source, that doesn't mean it is appropriate for Wikipedia. And in this case, it is not even clear that this information would be sourceable to a reliable source. This is why I have removed it for a second time.-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 20:03, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Followup: in order that we can probe the details of the question, I've converted the NewsMeat list into a sortable Wikitable:
Party | Election | Date | Donee | Amount | Name |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
D | general | 2009-06-01 | FRIENDS FOR HARRY REID | $2,400.00 | REID, HARRY (D) |
D | general | 2008-09-26 | BERMAN FOR CONGRESS | $2,300.00 | BERMAN, HOWARD L. (D) |
D | general | 2006-10-12 | FRIENDS OF JOE LIEBERMAN | $1,000.00 | LIEBERMAN, JOSEPH I (D) |
D | general | 2006-10-11 | FRIENDS OF SHERROD BROWN | $1,000.00 | BROWN, SHERROD (D) |
D | general | 2006-03-28 | CITIZENS FOR ARLEN SPECTER | $2,100.00 | SPECTER, ARLEN (D) |
D | primary | 2009-06-01 | FRIENDS FOR HARRY REID | $2,400.00 | REID, HARRY (D) |
D | primary | 2007-09-30 | RICHARDSON FOR PRESIDENT INC. | $800.00 | RICHARDSON, BILL (D) |
D | primary | 2007-03-06 | RICHARDSON FOR PRESIDENT INC. | $1,500.00 | RICHARDSON, BILL (D) |
D | primary | 2006-06-17 | BILL NELSON FOR U S SENATE | $1,000.00 | NELSON, BILL (D) |
D | primary | 2006-03-28 | CITIZENS FOR ARLEN SPECTER | $2,100.00 | SPECTER, ARLEN (D) |
D | primary | 1995-09-29 | CLINTON/GORE '96 PRIMARY COMMITTEE INC | $1,000.00 | CLINTON, WILLIAM JEFFERSON (D) |
R | general | 2009-06-30 | CHARLIE CRIST FOR US SENATE | $2,400.00 | CRIST, CHARLIE (R) |
R | general | 2008-12-29 | MARTINEZ FOR SENATE | -$2,300.00 | MARTINEZ, MEL (R) |
R | general | 2008-06-30 | TOM ROONEY FOR CONGRESS | $2,300.00 | ROONEY, TOM (R) |
R | general | 2007-02-21 | MARTINEZ FOR SENATE | $2,300.00 | MARTINEZ, MEL (R) |
R | general | 2004-10-07 | FRIENDS OF CLAY SHAW | $500.00 | SHAW, E CLAY JR (R) |
R | primary | 2009-06-30 | CHARLIE CRIST FOR US SENATE | $2,400.00 | CRIST, CHARLIE (R) |
R | primary | 2009-01-26 | REPUBLICAN PARTY OF FLORIDA (R) | $10,000.00 | |
R | primary | 2008-10-14 | MCCAIN-PALIN VICTORY 2008 | $37,500.00 | MCCAIN, JOHN S. (R) |
R | primary | 2008-07-31 | MCCAIN VICTORY 2008 | -$2,200.00 | MCCAIN, JOHN S. (R) |
R | primary | 2008-06-30 | TOM ROONEY FOR CONGRESS | $2,300.00 | ROONEY, TOM (R) |
R | primary | 2008-05-07 | MCCAIN VICTORY 2008 | $70,000.00 | MCCAIN, JOHN S. (R) |
R | primary | 2008-04-30 | REPUBLICAN PARTY OF FLORIDA (R) | $10,000.00 | |
R | primary | 2007-07-17 | REPUBLICAN PARTY OF FLORIDA (R) | $10,000.00 | |
R | primary | 2007-03-23 | JOHN MCCAIN 2008 INC. | $2,300.00 | MCCAIN, JOHN S. (R) |
R | primary | 2007-02-21 | MARTINEZ FOR SENATE | $2,300.00 | MARTINEZ, MEL (R) |
R | primary | 2005-12-21 | NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE (R) | $500.00 | |
R | primary | 2004-07-30 | NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE (R) | $1,000.00 | |
R | primary | 2004-06-23 | MARTINEZ FOR SENATE | $1,000.00 | MARTINEZ, MEL (R) |
R | primary | 2004-05-03 | FRIENDS OF CONNIE MACK | $1,000.00 | MACK, CONNIE (R) |
R | primary | 2004-03-25 | FRIENDS OF JOHNNIE BYRD | $1,000.00 | BYRD, JOHNNIE B (R) |
R | primary | 2004-03-11 | NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE (R) | $500.00 | |
R | primary | 2004-01-28 | FRIENDS OF CONNIE MACK | $500.00 | MACK, CONNIE (R) |
R | primary | 2003-06-30 | BUSH-CHENEY '04 (PRIMARY) INC | $2,000.00 | BUSH, GEORGE W (R) |
R | primary | 2002-09-25 | REPUBLICAN PARTY OF FLORIDA (R) | $5,000.00 |
Now the raw totals (from NewsMeat) are $17,600 for Democrats and $162,300 for Republicans. But this can't avoid a few decisions. The Republican donations as summed by OpenOffice cancel out $2300 donation to Mel Martinez and $2200 to John McCain that were returned in 2008. This may be the wrong way to do it, because if the Republicans follow through and return all the money, then the amount could go to zero (or negative, because somehow this NewsMeat search doesn't get anywhere near $500,000!) The other issue is that $4200 to Arlen Specter in 2006 is listed as part of the Democratic donations, but he was a Republican at that time. Then again, one might argue, with little exaggeration, that as Specter was a pro-science Senator and not a complete drooling idiot, that a reasonable man should have been able to foresee that he would be ejected from the GOP. If the complete dataset is used, we can avoid any possible allegation of WP:OR and so on. But if we wish brevity, we need to make a few decisions. In this case I shall decide that returned donations still count toward a total, but that the NewsMeat designation of party is final. In this way I reach something like:
"Newsmeat tracked a list of SEC filings for a total of $166,800 to the Republican Party and candidates, including $109,800 to John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign, and $17,600 to Democratic candidates. [1]
Wnt ( talk) 21:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
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Information should also be added about his sentence reduction recently requested by federal prosecutors, I believe. I don't have access to edit that part it seems. Here is one article, but there are many others: http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-06-08/news/fl-rothstein-ponzi-sentence-reduction20110608_1_ponzi-schemer-scott-rothstein-marc-nurik-fort-lauderdale-attorney — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeffreyW75 ( talk • contribs) 14:10, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
¶ I realize that this is a complex topic. Some parts of the article (such as "Recent") shuffle events chronologically, mixing events that occurred after arrest among events that occurred before the fraud was discovered. The timeline ought to be made clearer. By the way, the cable TV show, American Greed, had devoted an hour to this case and has material in its website. Sussmanbern ( talk) 06:50, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
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Also, I didn't believe "and David Boden, an unlicensed attorney". Turns out, not true, licensed in N.Y. but not Fla, a common practice for older or more specialized attorneys in a new state where they only provide expertise, not courtroom appearances.
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Remove "unlicensed" two other places in referenence to Boden; those mentions were also POV violations.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.19.94.75 ( talk) 01:05, April 7, 2016
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The writing is atrocious in this article. I cannot begin to say how painful it is to read. It is an interesting topic with some important information, but the writing is confused and perhaps done by someone with a passion but without any writing training (I would say ability). It is throughout, but an example would be the murder case--who was actually murdered is mentioned briefly in passing in the third paragraph, and is easily missed. It is painful writing, and a painful read. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.95.5.225 ( talk) 10:49, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Totally agree! And it's very outdated Beaglemix ( talk) 15:57, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
Way too long and detailed: .... in his December 12, 2011 deposition page 24 lines 15-23, Scott Rothstein himself said "It was intentionally ...
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This article is unreadable. Anyone care to rewrite it, or shall I take on the project? Bgm1345 ( talk) 04:09, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Why is Jeffrey Epstein not mentioned a single time in the text of the current version of this article? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 04:18, 9 February 2022 (UTC)