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I've edited the controversy section as I noticed any and all of Lobdell's work in highlighting and promoting gay superheroes seems to have been removed from his biography in terms of both the benchmark that was the outing of Northstar as well as his latest addition to Teen Titans, Bunker.
Also in going into the Starfire controversy, the previous summation used a writer at ComicsBeats own use of the term "slut shaming" and had directly attributed to Lobdell. That comicsbeat piece actually used snippets froma comicvine interview that is now directly cited to give lobdell's response to the matter accurately.
deloreon01 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deloreon ( talk • contribs) 01:06, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Honestly, the original controversy section wasn't even necessary the citations were so inaccurate but if we're going to insist the Starfire "controversy" is worth noting, the Northstar controversy that proceeded it is truly worth mention, The citations in the original author's version still attributes comments to Lobdell made by other writers of news pieces. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deloreon ( talk • contribs) 16:27, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
All the sources comparing Lobdell's new comic to a Buffyverse comic come from blog and message board posts, and read like the irate rantings of fans. If no one has an objection I will delete the comparisons unless someone can properly source them from reliable sources. I'll check back some stage tomorrow and see if there have been any changes or objections. IrishStephen ( talk) 17:30, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
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Rather than engaging in an edit war, I'd suggest Lcodyh803 and the unnamed editor who has issue with the inclusion of the accusations discuss them here. For my two cents, after reviewing the article before the edit it looks like the information provided was documenting the accusations reported at secondary sources rather than making accusations directly, and the tone of the writing was appropriately neutral. I would support its inclusion. - Brother Bulldog ( talk) 19:04, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
There has been repeated efforts to remove mention of controversies regarding Lobdell on this page. Lobdell is, without question, a controversial figure with multiple credible accusations leveled against him, and therefore the controversies surrounding him and his career are legitimate inclusion in this article. Edits and properly cited disagreement may be warranted, but wholesale removal of all reference of controversy is not. - Brother Bulldog ( talk) 23:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
At the very least, the portion regarding the accusations from BleedingCool should be permanently deleted until they can be proven. As I have argued many times before, there is literally no credibility to the accusations whatsoever. No official statements from either DC or Lobdell, no confirmation by any other legitimate sources, just BleedingCool's word. There is no proof that Lobdell is responsible or that he has enrolled in anything. Therefore until such a time where the information can be properly verified, any information to the article should, morally, be excluded. Georgemiser ( talk) 06:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
As was mentioned here, I and Argento Surfer agree that this section should be removed. Bleeding Cool has offered no evidence for the accusations, and Wikipedia should not repeat something as gospel that can actively destroy the reputation and livelihood of an innocent person. David A ( talk) 06:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
This is a matter of basic decency. As I have mentioned multiple times, unless Lobdell or DC issue ANY kind of official statement, it is morally incorrect to have this information on this page. Therefore, regardless of whether it is true or not, if it cannot be proven as such, to treat it as truthful is, by definition, against everything Wikipedia stands for and must be condemned. Georgemiser ( talk) 06:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Agreed. Innocent until proven guilty should always apply in a democratic society, even if the current lynchmob social media climate tends to enforce the opposite principle. David A ( talk) 08:40, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
So, the offending section has, at last, been removed. So far, so good. However, I will be keeping an eye on the Lobdell page to make sure it stays that way. I don't want to have to raise another moral fuss, but I will if someone else decides to put BleedingCool's handiwork back on. I stand by my convictions and I'd like to thank Dave A and Argento Surfer for standing up for what is good and correct. I'd also like to sincerely apologize if I annoyed any admins or mods with any of my actions. My intentions were good, but I should have channeled them through the proper streams in the first place. Thank you. Georgemiser ( talk) 11:53, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@ Brother Bulldog: how do you feel about this?
During a discussion panel at the 2013 Long Beach Comic Con, Scott Lobdell's behavior toward comic book artist/writer and fellow panelist MariNaomi on stage prompted her to submit an article to XoJane describing how she had felt harassed without naming Lobdell. Lobdell identified himself as the panelist in question and issued an apology to MariNaomi through Heidi MacDonald of ComicsBeat.com. In 2019, Bleeding Cool reported that Lobdell was enrolled in a gender sensitivity workshop after identifying him as the subject of an pseudonymous 2016 blog post describing harassment at a comic convention.
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I've edited the controversy section as I noticed any and all of Lobdell's work in highlighting and promoting gay superheroes seems to have been removed from his biography in terms of both the benchmark that was the outing of Northstar as well as his latest addition to Teen Titans, Bunker.
Also in going into the Starfire controversy, the previous summation used a writer at ComicsBeats own use of the term "slut shaming" and had directly attributed to Lobdell. That comicsbeat piece actually used snippets froma comicvine interview that is now directly cited to give lobdell's response to the matter accurately.
deloreon01 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deloreon ( talk • contribs) 01:06, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Honestly, the original controversy section wasn't even necessary the citations were so inaccurate but if we're going to insist the Starfire "controversy" is worth noting, the Northstar controversy that proceeded it is truly worth mention, The citations in the original author's version still attributes comments to Lobdell made by other writers of news pieces. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deloreon ( talk • contribs) 16:27, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
All the sources comparing Lobdell's new comic to a Buffyverse comic come from blog and message board posts, and read like the irate rantings of fans. If no one has an objection I will delete the comparisons unless someone can properly source them from reliable sources. I'll check back some stage tomorrow and see if there have been any changes or objections. IrishStephen ( talk) 17:30, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
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Rather than engaging in an edit war, I'd suggest Lcodyh803 and the unnamed editor who has issue with the inclusion of the accusations discuss them here. For my two cents, after reviewing the article before the edit it looks like the information provided was documenting the accusations reported at secondary sources rather than making accusations directly, and the tone of the writing was appropriately neutral. I would support its inclusion. - Brother Bulldog ( talk) 19:04, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
There has been repeated efforts to remove mention of controversies regarding Lobdell on this page. Lobdell is, without question, a controversial figure with multiple credible accusations leveled against him, and therefore the controversies surrounding him and his career are legitimate inclusion in this article. Edits and properly cited disagreement may be warranted, but wholesale removal of all reference of controversy is not. - Brother Bulldog ( talk) 23:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
At the very least, the portion regarding the accusations from BleedingCool should be permanently deleted until they can be proven. As I have argued many times before, there is literally no credibility to the accusations whatsoever. No official statements from either DC or Lobdell, no confirmation by any other legitimate sources, just BleedingCool's word. There is no proof that Lobdell is responsible or that he has enrolled in anything. Therefore until such a time where the information can be properly verified, any information to the article should, morally, be excluded. Georgemiser ( talk) 06:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
As was mentioned here, I and Argento Surfer agree that this section should be removed. Bleeding Cool has offered no evidence for the accusations, and Wikipedia should not repeat something as gospel that can actively destroy the reputation and livelihood of an innocent person. David A ( talk) 06:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
This is a matter of basic decency. As I have mentioned multiple times, unless Lobdell or DC issue ANY kind of official statement, it is morally incorrect to have this information on this page. Therefore, regardless of whether it is true or not, if it cannot be proven as such, to treat it as truthful is, by definition, against everything Wikipedia stands for and must be condemned. Georgemiser ( talk) 06:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Agreed. Innocent until proven guilty should always apply in a democratic society, even if the current lynchmob social media climate tends to enforce the opposite principle. David A ( talk) 08:40, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
So, the offending section has, at last, been removed. So far, so good. However, I will be keeping an eye on the Lobdell page to make sure it stays that way. I don't want to have to raise another moral fuss, but I will if someone else decides to put BleedingCool's handiwork back on. I stand by my convictions and I'd like to thank Dave A and Argento Surfer for standing up for what is good and correct. I'd also like to sincerely apologize if I annoyed any admins or mods with any of my actions. My intentions were good, but I should have channeled them through the proper streams in the first place. Thank you. Georgemiser ( talk) 11:53, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@ Brother Bulldog: how do you feel about this?
During a discussion panel at the 2013 Long Beach Comic Con, Scott Lobdell's behavior toward comic book artist/writer and fellow panelist MariNaomi on stage prompted her to submit an article to XoJane describing how she had felt harassed without naming Lobdell. Lobdell identified himself as the panelist in question and issued an apology to MariNaomi through Heidi MacDonald of ComicsBeat.com. In 2019, Bleeding Cool reported that Lobdell was enrolled in a gender sensitivity workshop after identifying him as the subject of an pseudonymous 2016 blog post describing harassment at a comic convention.
Argento Surfer ( talk) 18:36, 22 April 2020 (UTC)