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I am fascinated by the audio samplings in many musical articles on Wikipedia but I am completely overwhelmed in how to go about uploading audio files and adding them to musical articles. Can the contributor who added the musical audio files for this article take a moment and list a run down of how to do this? Thank you so much! (I have a Mac OSx)
Peacefulposter ( talk) 19:13, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Mechanics
The mechanics of uploading are fairly simple - once the file has been uploaded to Wikipedia you can use it in any WP page using a little bit of wiki jargon.
The best way to start is to take a look at the "Upload" option in the "toolbox" menu item on the left hand side of your screen. This should take you to
this page. It should be fairly self-explanatory - and it should explain what limitations there are in terms of which file formats.
Wikimarkup
For an example of this in action look at this from the Scott Joplin page:
{{Listen|filename=1906 - Scott Joplin's Maple Leaf Rag (1899) played by the United States Marine Band.ogg|title=A 1906 recording of the "Maple Leaf Rag" by the United States Marine Band. This is the first surviving recording of the "Maple Leaf Rag"|pos=right}}
I hope this goes some way to helping you find your way through the complex world of wikimarkup. I can't claim to be an expert, but I have used the tools a few times so I have a fair idea how it works. There are more intricacies than I have discussed here, but this is a start! Good luck - feel free to ask again if anything here is not clear. Ben (Major Bloodnok) ( talk) 22:56, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
In case it's been missed by users Hoops and Pennylane, MOS has guidance about quotations and where the punctuation goes. It's here: MOS:LQ
The short version seems to be that punctuation used in quotations should duplicate the source material. Hope this helps. Ben (Major Bloodnok) ( talk) 21:27, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
I believe that titles of compositions or just titles for that matter - i.e. "Maple Leaf Rag," and "The King of Ragtime." as two examples in the current version of the article - should not contain commas or full stops within them. That is not proper English. The only time that a title should contain punctuation within it is if it were an actual quote of someone. Could someone please direct me to where on Wikipedia it states that such grammar is allowed? Hoops gza ( talk) 22:54, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
It clearly states here: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Titles#Punctuation that punctuation (such as commas or full stops) should be placed outside of quotations marks unless the punctuation is part of the title itself. Therefore, user:PennyLane415's edits on this article should be reverted. Hoops gza ( talk) 23:14, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for referencing that, Hoops gza, but the page is still incosistent. Your reference is for punctuation with regard to titles where you pointed out that punctuation should lie outside the quotation marks, and I agree after reading the Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Titles#Punctuation. However, there are quotes within the article that have full stops outside of the quotation marks when the period is known to be in the source and, conversely, there are full stops inside the quotation marks when the period is not known to be within the source. Those should be changed. That is clearly stated here------>(see shortcut): WP:MOSLQ PennyLane415 ( talk) 17:06, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Second paragraph under "Works" makes this claim. How can this be so if Wikipedia's own entry for Tin Pan Alley says it didn't start until 1885? --Jeff Grossman — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.150.117 ( talk) 05:50, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
This article is without question remarkable in its detailed citing of sources and extensive research. However, the lead section is not in keeping with structures for writing a Wikipedia article. It is almost an entire article within itself and does not simply establish significance and entice the reader to want to know more; but instead launches directly into a full scale biography of the subject. Many statements are repeated within the article and should either be removed entirely or absorbed within the sections that they parallel. Before editing the lead section, please discuss this topic here. My objective is to end the lead section after the sentence ending in: "... and has been recognized as the archetypal rag" or add the line: "In 1976, Joplin was posthumously awarded a Pulitzer Prize." Thus allowing the biographical remaining paragraphs to be joined within the sections following. Maineartists ( talk) 01:37, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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Ok fine. First off, again, the source given is only a list of Joplin's compositions, in fact it specifically is titled "Rags and Pieces" -- there are a number on that list that are 100% not ragtime -- and hell, the composition list here on Wikipedia shows /less/ than 40 pieces specifically called rag (so as one can see, there's a lot of variance in what is and isn't). Not sure why User:Modernist is saying 50 here, especially when they willy nilly just reverted the good-faith attempt at making it correct. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ ( talk) 04:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
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I am fascinated by the audio samplings in many musical articles on Wikipedia but I am completely overwhelmed in how to go about uploading audio files and adding them to musical articles. Can the contributor who added the musical audio files for this article take a moment and list a run down of how to do this? Thank you so much! (I have a Mac OSx)
Peacefulposter ( talk) 19:13, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Mechanics
The mechanics of uploading are fairly simple - once the file has been uploaded to Wikipedia you can use it in any WP page using a little bit of wiki jargon.
The best way to start is to take a look at the "Upload" option in the "toolbox" menu item on the left hand side of your screen. This should take you to
this page. It should be fairly self-explanatory - and it should explain what limitations there are in terms of which file formats.
Wikimarkup
For an example of this in action look at this from the Scott Joplin page:
{{Listen|filename=1906 - Scott Joplin's Maple Leaf Rag (1899) played by the United States Marine Band.ogg|title=A 1906 recording of the "Maple Leaf Rag" by the United States Marine Band. This is the first surviving recording of the "Maple Leaf Rag"|pos=right}}
I hope this goes some way to helping you find your way through the complex world of wikimarkup. I can't claim to be an expert, but I have used the tools a few times so I have a fair idea how it works. There are more intricacies than I have discussed here, but this is a start! Good luck - feel free to ask again if anything here is not clear. Ben (Major Bloodnok) ( talk) 22:56, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
In case it's been missed by users Hoops and Pennylane, MOS has guidance about quotations and where the punctuation goes. It's here: MOS:LQ
The short version seems to be that punctuation used in quotations should duplicate the source material. Hope this helps. Ben (Major Bloodnok) ( talk) 21:27, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
I believe that titles of compositions or just titles for that matter - i.e. "Maple Leaf Rag," and "The King of Ragtime." as two examples in the current version of the article - should not contain commas or full stops within them. That is not proper English. The only time that a title should contain punctuation within it is if it were an actual quote of someone. Could someone please direct me to where on Wikipedia it states that such grammar is allowed? Hoops gza ( talk) 22:54, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
It clearly states here: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Titles#Punctuation that punctuation (such as commas or full stops) should be placed outside of quotations marks unless the punctuation is part of the title itself. Therefore, user:PennyLane415's edits on this article should be reverted. Hoops gza ( talk) 23:14, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for referencing that, Hoops gza, but the page is still incosistent. Your reference is for punctuation with regard to titles where you pointed out that punctuation should lie outside the quotation marks, and I agree after reading the Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Titles#Punctuation. However, there are quotes within the article that have full stops outside of the quotation marks when the period is known to be in the source and, conversely, there are full stops inside the quotation marks when the period is not known to be within the source. Those should be changed. That is clearly stated here------>(see shortcut): WP:MOSLQ PennyLane415 ( talk) 17:06, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Second paragraph under "Works" makes this claim. How can this be so if Wikipedia's own entry for Tin Pan Alley says it didn't start until 1885? --Jeff Grossman — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.150.117 ( talk) 05:50, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
This article is without question remarkable in its detailed citing of sources and extensive research. However, the lead section is not in keeping with structures for writing a Wikipedia article. It is almost an entire article within itself and does not simply establish significance and entice the reader to want to know more; but instead launches directly into a full scale biography of the subject. Many statements are repeated within the article and should either be removed entirely or absorbed within the sections that they parallel. Before editing the lead section, please discuss this topic here. My objective is to end the lead section after the sentence ending in: "... and has been recognized as the archetypal rag" or add the line: "In 1976, Joplin was posthumously awarded a Pulitzer Prize." Thus allowing the biographical remaining paragraphs to be joined within the sections following. Maineartists ( talk) 01:37, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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Ok fine. First off, again, the source given is only a list of Joplin's compositions, in fact it specifically is titled "Rags and Pieces" -- there are a number on that list that are 100% not ragtime -- and hell, the composition list here on Wikipedia shows /less/ than 40 pieces specifically called rag (so as one can see, there's a lot of variance in what is and isn't). Not sure why User:Modernist is saying 50 here, especially when they willy nilly just reverted the good-faith attempt at making it correct. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ ( talk) 04:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)