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There's a claim in the article that The Scorpion King movie was loosely based on this person. I didn't see the TV special that was cited, nor could I find any such claim on the film's website. Since the movie appears entirely unrelated to anything in history at first glance, is there another source for this claim? Otherwise I'll be removing it. TCC (talk) (contribs) 23:35, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I reverted the recent addition of Scorpion I to the intro. I was unaware at the time that some theorize that there were two predynastic King Scorpions -- the impression I had was that the Abydos tomb was that of the Scorpion of the macehead, not that there were two Scorpions -- but this article is about the one depicted on the macehead, and according to most sources this is Scorpion II, not I. I wonder if someone more up-to-date on the subject than I am knows if this is definite enough to put in the intro? TCC (talk) (contribs) 22:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
The graffito and U-j tomb are currently associated with Scorpion I who ruled from Thinis/ Abydos 150-200 years before this Nekhen Scorpion. The documentary cited is dated, it does not even mention the possibility of two Scorpions until the postscript. -- Countakeshi 03:37, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
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Therefore, Scorpion's name is almost invariably left as scorpion. Shaw's Oxford History of Ancient Egypt leaves it as Scorpion, Grimal's history leaves it as Scorpion, Gardiner leaves it as scorpion, and a plethora of other works on the predynastic from the days of Petrie and Emery all the way to Spencer's history. There seems to be some dispute as to what is the proper name on Wikipedia, but there seems to be no such dispute among scholarship. Thanatosimii 17:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC) Thanatosimii 17:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanatosimii, is there actually a source that has this, or is it just a remnant of Skrooball's unusual usage? If the former, why don't we just cut it entirely? TCC (talk) (contribs) 05:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
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Per the old discussion about moving the page, "Selk" should be removed from the lede unless there's a reliable source for it. It seems to have been added by an anon editor about 2 years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=King_Scorpion&diff=425766795&oldid=422220582 Nearly all online sources appear to be either mirrors of this article, or have referenced it. If reliable sources do not use this name for this king, Wikipedia ought not either. 192.31.106.36 ( talk) 00:57, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
My search results were similar to yours, the term is not sourced, or further explained in the article. Just to add to the confusion, the disambiguation page at Selk says it is a term used for Isis. I can't find anything to support that, either. I'm removing it from here for now, since it's unsourced, and challenged. Anyone who has a source can re-add it. Begoon talk 01:17, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Very minor edit request on 10 Jan 2014 - Under the Mesopotamian influences under king Scorpion II section, the fourth sentence in, shouldn't "intensive" instead be "intensively" as isn't it an adverb in that sentence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.21.198 ( talk) 03:35, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved by Anthony Appleyard. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:27, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
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I'd propose something simple like "Scorpion II", without any redirect. My literature doesn't even know terms such as "king scorpion" or "scorpion king" and alike. Regards;-- Nephiliskos ( talk) 11:14, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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Put the page under Category:Unidentified person due to the title of the page being an appellation given due to the ambiguity of the subject's real name. 72.220.237.85 ( talk) 22:29, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello. Nowhere else have I seen an image of a pharaoh with a working tool in his hands. Maybe you have met? Alexander Leibovich ( talk) 19:03, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Apparently according to some sources a woman named Shesh I was the wife of scorpion II, in addition she is also mentioned as mother of Narmer. According to a source shesh II is daughter of hor Aha or something. Emmanuelbruh ( talk) 19:36, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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There's a claim in the article that The Scorpion King movie was loosely based on this person. I didn't see the TV special that was cited, nor could I find any such claim on the film's website. Since the movie appears entirely unrelated to anything in history at first glance, is there another source for this claim? Otherwise I'll be removing it. TCC (talk) (contribs) 23:35, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I reverted the recent addition of Scorpion I to the intro. I was unaware at the time that some theorize that there were two predynastic King Scorpions -- the impression I had was that the Abydos tomb was that of the Scorpion of the macehead, not that there were two Scorpions -- but this article is about the one depicted on the macehead, and according to most sources this is Scorpion II, not I. I wonder if someone more up-to-date on the subject than I am knows if this is definite enough to put in the intro? TCC (talk) (contribs) 22:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
The graffito and U-j tomb are currently associated with Scorpion I who ruled from Thinis/ Abydos 150-200 years before this Nekhen Scorpion. The documentary cited is dated, it does not even mention the possibility of two Scorpions until the postscript. -- Countakeshi 03:37, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
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Therefore, Scorpion's name is almost invariably left as scorpion. Shaw's Oxford History of Ancient Egypt leaves it as Scorpion, Grimal's history leaves it as Scorpion, Gardiner leaves it as scorpion, and a plethora of other works on the predynastic from the days of Petrie and Emery all the way to Spencer's history. There seems to be some dispute as to what is the proper name on Wikipedia, but there seems to be no such dispute among scholarship. Thanatosimii 17:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC) Thanatosimii 17:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanatosimii, is there actually a source that has this, or is it just a remnant of Skrooball's unusual usage? If the former, why don't we just cut it entirely? TCC (talk) (contribs) 05:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
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Per the old discussion about moving the page, "Selk" should be removed from the lede unless there's a reliable source for it. It seems to have been added by an anon editor about 2 years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=King_Scorpion&diff=425766795&oldid=422220582 Nearly all online sources appear to be either mirrors of this article, or have referenced it. If reliable sources do not use this name for this king, Wikipedia ought not either. 192.31.106.36 ( talk) 00:57, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
My search results were similar to yours, the term is not sourced, or further explained in the article. Just to add to the confusion, the disambiguation page at Selk says it is a term used for Isis. I can't find anything to support that, either. I'm removing it from here for now, since it's unsourced, and challenged. Anyone who has a source can re-add it. Begoon talk 01:17, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Very minor edit request on 10 Jan 2014 - Under the Mesopotamian influences under king Scorpion II section, the fourth sentence in, shouldn't "intensive" instead be "intensively" as isn't it an adverb in that sentence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.21.198 ( talk) 03:35, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved by Anthony Appleyard. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:27, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
King Scorpion →
Scorpion II – King should be avoided as its a title -- Pankaj Jain
Capankajsmilyo (
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I'd propose something simple like "Scorpion II", without any redirect. My literature doesn't even know terms such as "king scorpion" or "scorpion king" and alike. Regards;-- Nephiliskos ( talk) 11:14, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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Put the page under Category:Unidentified person due to the title of the page being an appellation given due to the ambiguity of the subject's real name. 72.220.237.85 ( talk) 22:29, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello. Nowhere else have I seen an image of a pharaoh with a working tool in his hands. Maybe you have met? Alexander Leibovich ( talk) 19:03, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Apparently according to some sources a woman named Shesh I was the wife of scorpion II, in addition she is also mentioned as mother of Narmer. According to a source shesh II is daughter of hor Aha or something. Emmanuelbruh ( talk) 19:36, 26 November 2023 (UTC)