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Removed Image of Cisne Branco, as she is a full rigged ship, not a schooner —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.229.114 ( talk) 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
could someone please add a schooner glass article?
Is the Étoile really a schooner ? I am asking this because she has a square sail on top of her foremost mast; does this change anything ? Rama 16:16, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
A schooner with a square sail on top of her foremost mast is a topsail schooner, most definitly a schooner. (unknown user and date)
Question - what is it called when a ship has 3 masts - first is square rigged, others are not? The Australian "schooner" Svanen has such a rig but I can't find this type listed on wikipedia. Pics here http://www.svanen.com.au/
SpookyMulder 11:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Some of the vessels listed as "famous" schooners don't even appear to be notable, let alone famous. Should we arrive at some sort of criteria for what constitutes a "famous" vessel to avoid this turning into listcruft? For that matter, is there a page elsewhere with such guidelines? Susan Davis 21:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
The listing for Red Witch -- and the vessel's own web site -- claims that she's a topsail schooner, but she's not equipped with yards for carrying a square topsail. Is there some fact about her that's not apparent that makes her a topsail schooner? Susan Davis 21:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
That does not make her a topsail schooner - to be a topsail schooner you need yards on the foremast. By Danish standard one yard is not enugh either youll need at least 2 as the first when alone is considered a "bred fok" literally translates to a "wide fore staysail" iot is thou a strange bastard of a word made from the use of the forecourse and forestaysail words as a semi psynonym — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.222.241.88 ( talk) 20:23, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
How does this rigging compare to the classical "ship" rig? What are its advantages? The article doesn't go much beyond just listing what 'makes' a schooner. It would be much more useful if it would actually address how the schooner rig impacts the perfomance of a ship. MCSmarties 12:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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Article should make some mention of these (eg. Wapama (steam schooner)). Drutt ( talk) 08:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
"Modern schooners may be Marconi also known as Bermuda, rigged. In Bermuda, such schooners had appeared by the early 19th century, and were known as 'Ballyhoo schooners'. Some Bermudian schooners of this period are historically referred to as Bermuda sloops[citation needed], despite having a schooner rig. Some schooner yachts are Bermuda rigged on the mainmast and gaff rigged on the foremast.[citation needed]"
" Bermuda rig" has been known since the 17th century. There is no such thing as "schooner-rig". Schooners can have any sail plan they want in any combination. What makes a schooner is that they always have two or more masts, with the foremost mast shorter or equal length as the aft mast(s).
I will remove this entire paragraph as there is too many errors in it. 74.61.22.12 ( talk) 08:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
The gallery of schooners includes the Spirit of Bermuda, which has a foremast, mainmast and mizzen. Is this really a schooner? -- Captqrunch ( talk) 14:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Having recently read in The Last Fish Tale by Mark Kurlansky that supposedly "scoon (is) a Scottish word meaning "to skim lightly across the water."", and never having heard the word in my puff, I thought I'd check out what Wikipedia says about the derivation of schooner. It seems this theory has wider currency as it is also listed here, the only problem being that I don't think such a word exists. It isn't in any Scots dictionary that I have, or in the online Dictionary of the Scots Language. That a Scots word is believed to be the derivation would appear to be citable but the existence of the word itself is apparently not. The apparently false theory is maybe worthy of inclusion because of its currency and I've tagged it as dubious but it would be better to note the questionability in the text itself. My dilemma is, do I actually need a source which says the word does not in fact exist or is its non-existence sufficient to allow me to note it without this being regarded as OR? Mutt Lunker ( talk) 22:25, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Of uncertain origin; recorded early in the 18th c. as skooner, scooner; the present spelling, which occurs only a few years later, may be due to form-association with school, or with Du. words having initial sch. The word has passed from English into most of the European langs.: Du. schooner, schoener, G. schoner, schooner, schuner (recorded 1786), F. schooner, schoaner, Da. skonnert, Sw. skonare, skonert.
The story commonly told respecting the origin of the word is as follows. When the first schooner was being launched (at Gloucester, Mass., about 1713), a bystander exclaimed ‘Oh, how she scoons!’ The builder, Capt. Andrew Robinson, replied, ‘A scooner let her be!’ and the word at once came into use as the name of the new type of vessel. The anecdote, first recorded, on the authority of tradition, in a letter of 1790 (quoted in Babson Hist. Gloucester, p. 252), looks like an invention. The etymology which it embodies, however, is not at all improbable, though there seems to be a lack of evidence for the existence of the alleged New England verb scoon or scun, ‘to skim along on the water’. Cf. Sc. (Clydesdale) scon, ‘to make flat stones skip along the surface of the water’, also intr. ‘to skip in the manner described’ (Jam.). The early examples afford strong ground for believing that the word really originated about 1713 in Massachusetts, and probably in the town of Gloucester. The evidence of two or three old prints seems to prove that the type of vessel now called ‘schooner’ existed in England in the 17th c., but it app. first came into extensive use in New England.
Hope that helps! DuncanHill ( talk) 23:03, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
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My father left me cartons of his life style, yachting as the Captain of many yachts, for people in America, South of France and UK. The Cruz del Sur, apparently sailed from the UK, to the Bahamas....... I have a log book. Along with that I have an undated newspaper cutting of the Hall family, Meg, Patrick and son Ian sailing this schooner from the UK to Bahamas the Hall family apparently had a sailing school in Newton Ferrers Devon. I am interested in this event, as a historian and caretaker of my father's paperwork. I would like to know how my father came to be in possession of the log book, and his association with the Hall family. It might be something that they would like.
My father was also the Master of Errol Flynns Yacht Zaca during the 50's. I have the log book dating from 1946, and many photos and communication between Errol Flynn and my father, lots of lovely photos of the yacht also.
I have many other log books from the ships, etc., that dad worked on over a period of 25 years. I also have a large collection of WWII photos taken in the Atlantic arena....dad was in the RNVR, I have a load of poems and words of songs, typical sailor songs.
Bonny Cother — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.126.71.197 ( talk) 17:08, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
NA word. Example: http://www.tallship.ca/rig.htm D1gggg ( talk) 15:05, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi All I find that the the claim that modern schooners are bamuda schooners is incorrect - I see mostly in order of commonality Staysil schooners, replicas of gaff schooners or modern interpetaions gaff rig. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.222.241.88 ( talk) 20:28, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
Zowie van Dillen ( talk) 13:44, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
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Removed Image of Cisne Branco, as she is a full rigged ship, not a schooner —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.229.114 ( talk) 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
could someone please add a schooner glass article?
Is the Étoile really a schooner ? I am asking this because she has a square sail on top of her foremost mast; does this change anything ? Rama 16:16, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
A schooner with a square sail on top of her foremost mast is a topsail schooner, most definitly a schooner. (unknown user and date)
Question - what is it called when a ship has 3 masts - first is square rigged, others are not? The Australian "schooner" Svanen has such a rig but I can't find this type listed on wikipedia. Pics here http://www.svanen.com.au/
SpookyMulder 11:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Some of the vessels listed as "famous" schooners don't even appear to be notable, let alone famous. Should we arrive at some sort of criteria for what constitutes a "famous" vessel to avoid this turning into listcruft? For that matter, is there a page elsewhere with such guidelines? Susan Davis 21:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
The listing for Red Witch -- and the vessel's own web site -- claims that she's a topsail schooner, but she's not equipped with yards for carrying a square topsail. Is there some fact about her that's not apparent that makes her a topsail schooner? Susan Davis 21:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
That does not make her a topsail schooner - to be a topsail schooner you need yards on the foremast. By Danish standard one yard is not enugh either youll need at least 2 as the first when alone is considered a "bred fok" literally translates to a "wide fore staysail" iot is thou a strange bastard of a word made from the use of the forecourse and forestaysail words as a semi psynonym — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.222.241.88 ( talk) 20:23, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
How does this rigging compare to the classical "ship" rig? What are its advantages? The article doesn't go much beyond just listing what 'makes' a schooner. It would be much more useful if it would actually address how the schooner rig impacts the perfomance of a ship. MCSmarties 12:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 20:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Article should make some mention of these (eg. Wapama (steam schooner)). Drutt ( talk) 08:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
"Modern schooners may be Marconi also known as Bermuda, rigged. In Bermuda, such schooners had appeared by the early 19th century, and were known as 'Ballyhoo schooners'. Some Bermudian schooners of this period are historically referred to as Bermuda sloops[citation needed], despite having a schooner rig. Some schooner yachts are Bermuda rigged on the mainmast and gaff rigged on the foremast.[citation needed]"
" Bermuda rig" has been known since the 17th century. There is no such thing as "schooner-rig". Schooners can have any sail plan they want in any combination. What makes a schooner is that they always have two or more masts, with the foremost mast shorter or equal length as the aft mast(s).
I will remove this entire paragraph as there is too many errors in it. 74.61.22.12 ( talk) 08:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
The gallery of schooners includes the Spirit of Bermuda, which has a foremast, mainmast and mizzen. Is this really a schooner? -- Captqrunch ( talk) 14:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Having recently read in The Last Fish Tale by Mark Kurlansky that supposedly "scoon (is) a Scottish word meaning "to skim lightly across the water."", and never having heard the word in my puff, I thought I'd check out what Wikipedia says about the derivation of schooner. It seems this theory has wider currency as it is also listed here, the only problem being that I don't think such a word exists. It isn't in any Scots dictionary that I have, or in the online Dictionary of the Scots Language. That a Scots word is believed to be the derivation would appear to be citable but the existence of the word itself is apparently not. The apparently false theory is maybe worthy of inclusion because of its currency and I've tagged it as dubious but it would be better to note the questionability in the text itself. My dilemma is, do I actually need a source which says the word does not in fact exist or is its non-existence sufficient to allow me to note it without this being regarded as OR? Mutt Lunker ( talk) 22:25, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Of uncertain origin; recorded early in the 18th c. as skooner, scooner; the present spelling, which occurs only a few years later, may be due to form-association with school, or with Du. words having initial sch. The word has passed from English into most of the European langs.: Du. schooner, schoener, G. schoner, schooner, schuner (recorded 1786), F. schooner, schoaner, Da. skonnert, Sw. skonare, skonert.
The story commonly told respecting the origin of the word is as follows. When the first schooner was being launched (at Gloucester, Mass., about 1713), a bystander exclaimed ‘Oh, how she scoons!’ The builder, Capt. Andrew Robinson, replied, ‘A scooner let her be!’ and the word at once came into use as the name of the new type of vessel. The anecdote, first recorded, on the authority of tradition, in a letter of 1790 (quoted in Babson Hist. Gloucester, p. 252), looks like an invention. The etymology which it embodies, however, is not at all improbable, though there seems to be a lack of evidence for the existence of the alleged New England verb scoon or scun, ‘to skim along on the water’. Cf. Sc. (Clydesdale) scon, ‘to make flat stones skip along the surface of the water’, also intr. ‘to skip in the manner described’ (Jam.). The early examples afford strong ground for believing that the word really originated about 1713 in Massachusetts, and probably in the town of Gloucester. The evidence of two or three old prints seems to prove that the type of vessel now called ‘schooner’ existed in England in the 17th c., but it app. first came into extensive use in New England.
Hope that helps! DuncanHill ( talk) 23:03, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Zowie van Dillen ( talk) 13:28, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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File:Naval schooner.JPG, has been nominated for deletion at
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My father left me cartons of his life style, yachting as the Captain of many yachts, for people in America, South of France and UK. The Cruz del Sur, apparently sailed from the UK, to the Bahamas....... I have a log book. Along with that I have an undated newspaper cutting of the Hall family, Meg, Patrick and son Ian sailing this schooner from the UK to Bahamas the Hall family apparently had a sailing school in Newton Ferrers Devon. I am interested in this event, as a historian and caretaker of my father's paperwork. I would like to know how my father came to be in possession of the log book, and his association with the Hall family. It might be something that they would like.
My father was also the Master of Errol Flynns Yacht Zaca during the 50's. I have the log book dating from 1946, and many photos and communication between Errol Flynn and my father, lots of lovely photos of the yacht also.
I have many other log books from the ships, etc., that dad worked on over a period of 25 years. I also have a large collection of WWII photos taken in the Atlantic arena....dad was in the RNVR, I have a load of poems and words of songs, typical sailor songs.
Bonny Cother — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.126.71.197 ( talk) 17:08, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
NA word. Example: http://www.tallship.ca/rig.htm D1gggg ( talk) 15:05, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi All I find that the the claim that modern schooners are bamuda schooners is incorrect - I see mostly in order of commonality Staysil schooners, replicas of gaff schooners or modern interpetaions gaff rig. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.222.241.88 ( talk) 20:28, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
Zowie van Dillen ( talk) 13:44, 4 October 2022 (UTC)