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Please if you wish to re-insert the 'attention' tag, explain why it need IMMEDIATE attention. (Or better still, expand the article!) Buckshot06 05:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I've been thinking about possibly rewriting this page. However, I am pretty unexperienced at writing here. I've been reading the rules and guidelines and such, and it has occurred to me that a lot of the content of such rewrite might be original research unless I could find it published somewhere. If these publications exist, I'll find them, an immediate family member has been an employee for over 20 years (which might conflict with me being eligible to do such a rewrite). Anyways, its something I'm interested in possibly doing if I can, maybe if anyone else was interested, in a collab.
Hi there. Firstly can I send my apologies for the last minute oppose. I was leaning to that persuasion anyway but there was just too many issues. I agree with every thing Nikkimaria and Nick-D found all of which were among my issues so rather than write them out again I will list them here. The eighteen issues were mainly the over use of quotes, so rather than list them all individually, I have covered them under one point listed below. So this bring the eighteen down a bit. Here goes:
If you can fix these, then list at PR, it may be easier and quicker for you. I would also consider listing on WP:FAR when your ready. All the best! Cassianto ( talk) 01:26, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Intothatdarkness ( talk · contribs) 17:37, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Lieutenant General David Huntoon stated in 2009 that SAMS "has established a corps of leaders, thinkers and planners who in the last two decades have reset the conditions for American military success”. [1]
- From 'Advanced Operational Art Studies Fellowship ';
The AOASF is designed to graduate innovative risk takers willing to experiment," (2) "Exceptional commanders, schooled in the art of command, and leaders of campaign planning and strategic and operational design," (3) "Creative leaders who can solve complex-adaptive problems at the strategic and theater-strategic levels of conflict," (4) "Expert evaluators of the practical strategic and operational implications of cultural differences," and (5) "Masters at developing and mentoring junior officers." [2]
Cheers, Baffle gab1978 ( talk) 23:38, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Cerebellum ( talk · contribs) 18:12, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Hello! I will be reviewing this article. -- Cerebellum ( talk) 18:12, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- It is reasonably well written.
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
- a ( reference section):
b (citations to reliable sources):
c ( OR):
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- The article is very well referenced.
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a ( major aspects):
b ( focused):
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- I still have a few questions after reading the article, as listed in the comments, but still pretty good coverage of the topic.
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
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- Yes, no criticism of the subject is presented but no one seems to be criticizing it either.
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
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- It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales):
b ( appropriate use with suitable captions):
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- Overall:
- Pass/Fail:
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- Wow, this article has been heavily scrutinized! It's clearly benefitted from the attention though and it now meets the GA criteria. I am happy to close this review as pass. I've left some comments below as suggestions for further improvement. -- Cerebellum ( talk) 20:00, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- one of three United States Army schools that make up the United States Army Command and General Staff College - United States Army Command and General Staff College lists four schools; is this correct?
- Infobox: Have you considered adding {{Infobox military unit}} to the article, like at United States Army Command and General Staff College and Joint Forces Staff College? If you don't want to do that, perhaps at least move the photo of the crest to the lead like at United States Army War College.
- Prose: In the first paragraph of the "history" section, it's not clear what following the Vietnam War refers to. It could mean either that there was a gap in U.S. military education following the Vietnam War or that the War College focused on grand strategy and national security policy following the Vietnam War, or perhaps both.
- Coverage: Wass de Czege and two other U.S. Army officers planned and developed the school - who were these other two officers?
- History: What was LTG Richardson's position at Fort Leavenworth? And can you provide his first name?
- History: For the sake of context, why was the school regarded as a risky endeavour in its early years? Also, just to make sure we are offering balanced coverage, are there any who still criticize it?
- History: domestic contingencies, such as those in Los Angeles and Miami after Hurricane Katrina - I don't understand, what contingencies does this refer to?
- A reference to Defense Support of Civil authorities missions. Basically, DOD providing support to domestic authorities. Casprings ( talk) 03:52, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
- Course and facilities - The quote box in this section is a little strange. It's not clear that von Schlieffen is the source of the quote and I'm not sure why The motto selected to describe the SAMS graduate is in quotation marks.
- I agree. Basically it was trying to convey sort of an unofficial motto. However, it is a bit strange there.
- Course and facilities - The second and third paragraphs seem a bit redundant - they contain overlapping information about the student body. Also, what are the "summer classes", and do they differ from the main program?
- Basically they take in two classes a year, a larger summer class and a smaller winter class. It is a reference to the start time of each course. I will edit those paragraphs some.
- Female students - Why is the line about the course being co-ed in the footnotes? If it is necessary at all, it should be in the article body.
- Agreed. Removed it.
- Citations - The citation style for the Bower references is inconsistent, The Lamp is italicized in one but not in the other.
- Curricula - In the future you might consider expanding the "Advanced Military Studies Program" section further, to make it the same length as the "Advanced Operation Art Studies Fellowship" section.
I moved the "reading list" here because (1) it has no source, and (2) there is no date. The reading list likely changes over time, so there is no telling when this list was current. Please readd only with a reliable source and date. Airborne84 ( talk) 21:17, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Roots of Strategy: Book 1 (Bk. 1) by Brig.Gen. Thomas R. Phillips
- The Art of War (Smithsonian History of Warfare): War and Military Thought by Martin L. Van Creveld
- The Grand Strategy of the Roman Empire: From the First Century A.D. to the Third (Johns Hopkins Paperbacks) by Edward N. Luttwak
- The Wizards of Armageddon (Stanford Nuclear Age Series) by Fred M. Kaplan
- Roots of Strategy: Book 2 by Curtis Brown
- Roots of Strategy Book: 4 Military Classics : The Influence of Sea Power upon History, 1660–1783, Some Principles of Maritime
- Strategy, Command of the Air, Winged Defense by Col. David Jablonsky
- Strategy: Second Revised Edition (Meridian) by Sir Basil Henry Liddell Hart
- The Prince (Bantam Classics) by Niccolò Machiavelli
- On War, Indexed Edition by Carl von Clausewitz
- The Landmark Thucydides: A Comprehensive Guide to the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides
- The Art of War by Sun Tzu
- Clausewitz: A Very Short Introduction by Michael Howard
- History of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides
- Moneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game by Michael Lewis
- The Cambridge Illustrated History of Warfare (Cambridge Illustrated Histories) by Geoffrey Parker
- Understanding Terror Networks by Marc Sageman
- On Bullshit by Harry G. Frankfurt
- The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy by Robert Audi
- Encyclopedia of Philosophy: Vol 7&8 in One Book by Paul Edwards
- How We Think by John Dewey
- The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order by Samuel P. Huntington
- The Tragedy of Great Power Politics by John J. Mearsheimer
- Understanding International Conflicts: An Introduction to Theory and History (Longman Classics in Political Science) by Joseph S. Nye
- The Lexus and the Olive Tree: Understanding Globalization by Thomas L. Friedman
- The Coming Anarchy: Shattering the Dreams of the Post Cold War by Robert D. Kaplan
- Surprise, Security, and the American Experience (Joanna Jackson Goldman Memorial Lecture on American Civilization) by John Lewis Gaddis
- American National Security by Amos A. Jordan
- The Making of Strategy: Rulers, States, and War by Williamson Murray
- Bounding the Global War on Terrorism by Jeffrey Record
- Organization Theory: Modern, Symbolic, and Postmodern Perspectives by Mary Jo Hatch
- Rise and Fall of Strategic Planning by Henry Mintzberg
- Causality and Explanation by Wesley C. Salmon
- Causality and Modern Science: Third Revised Edition by Mario Bunge
- Causality: Models, Reasoning, and Inference by Judea Pearl
- The Visual Display of Quantitative Information by Edward R. Tufte
- Visual and Statistical Thinking: Displays of Evidence for Making Decisions by Edward R. Tufte
- Kaigun: Strategy, Tactics, and Technology in the Imperial Japanese Navy, 1887–1941 by David C. Evans
- Harnessing Complexity by Robert Axelrod
- Issues and Methods in Comparative Politics by Todd Landman
- Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert M. Pirsig
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Please if you wish to re-insert the 'attention' tag, explain why it need IMMEDIATE attention. (Or better still, expand the article!) Buckshot06 05:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I've been thinking about possibly rewriting this page. However, I am pretty unexperienced at writing here. I've been reading the rules and guidelines and such, and it has occurred to me that a lot of the content of such rewrite might be original research unless I could find it published somewhere. If these publications exist, I'll find them, an immediate family member has been an employee for over 20 years (which might conflict with me being eligible to do such a rewrite). Anyways, its something I'm interested in possibly doing if I can, maybe if anyone else was interested, in a collab.
Hi there. Firstly can I send my apologies for the last minute oppose. I was leaning to that persuasion anyway but there was just too many issues. I agree with every thing Nikkimaria and Nick-D found all of which were among my issues so rather than write them out again I will list them here. The eighteen issues were mainly the over use of quotes, so rather than list them all individually, I have covered them under one point listed below. So this bring the eighteen down a bit. Here goes:
If you can fix these, then list at PR, it may be easier and quicker for you. I would also consider listing on WP:FAR when your ready. All the best! Cassianto ( talk) 01:26, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Intothatdarkness ( talk · contribs) 17:37, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Lieutenant General David Huntoon stated in 2009 that SAMS "has established a corps of leaders, thinkers and planners who in the last two decades have reset the conditions for American military success”. [1]
- From 'Advanced Operational Art Studies Fellowship ';
The AOASF is designed to graduate innovative risk takers willing to experiment," (2) "Exceptional commanders, schooled in the art of command, and leaders of campaign planning and strategic and operational design," (3) "Creative leaders who can solve complex-adaptive problems at the strategic and theater-strategic levels of conflict," (4) "Expert evaluators of the practical strategic and operational implications of cultural differences," and (5) "Masters at developing and mentoring junior officers." [2]
Cheers, Baffle gab1978 ( talk) 23:38, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
GA toolbox Reviewing
- This review is transcluded from Talk:School of Advanced Military Studies/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Cerebellum ( talk · contribs) 18:12, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Hello! I will be reviewing this article. -- Cerebellum ( talk) 18:12, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- It is reasonably well written.
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
- a ( reference section):
b (citations to reliable sources):
c ( OR):
![]()
- The article is very well referenced.
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a ( major aspects):
b ( focused):
![]()
- I still have a few questions after reading the article, as listed in the comments, but still pretty good coverage of the topic.
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
![]()
- Yes, no criticism of the subject is presented but no one seems to be criticizing it either.
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
![]()
- It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales):
b ( appropriate use with suitable captions):
![]()
- Overall:
- Pass/Fail:
![]()
- Wow, this article has been heavily scrutinized! It's clearly benefitted from the attention though and it now meets the GA criteria. I am happy to close this review as pass. I've left some comments below as suggestions for further improvement. -- Cerebellum ( talk) 20:00, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- one of three United States Army schools that make up the United States Army Command and General Staff College - United States Army Command and General Staff College lists four schools; is this correct?
- Infobox: Have you considered adding {{Infobox military unit}} to the article, like at United States Army Command and General Staff College and Joint Forces Staff College? If you don't want to do that, perhaps at least move the photo of the crest to the lead like at United States Army War College.
- Prose: In the first paragraph of the "history" section, it's not clear what following the Vietnam War refers to. It could mean either that there was a gap in U.S. military education following the Vietnam War or that the War College focused on grand strategy and national security policy following the Vietnam War, or perhaps both.
- Coverage: Wass de Czege and two other U.S. Army officers planned and developed the school - who were these other two officers?
- History: What was LTG Richardson's position at Fort Leavenworth? And can you provide his first name?
- History: For the sake of context, why was the school regarded as a risky endeavour in its early years? Also, just to make sure we are offering balanced coverage, are there any who still criticize it?
- History: domestic contingencies, such as those in Los Angeles and Miami after Hurricane Katrina - I don't understand, what contingencies does this refer to?
- A reference to Defense Support of Civil authorities missions. Basically, DOD providing support to domestic authorities. Casprings ( talk) 03:52, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
- Course and facilities - The quote box in this section is a little strange. It's not clear that von Schlieffen is the source of the quote and I'm not sure why The motto selected to describe the SAMS graduate is in quotation marks.
- I agree. Basically it was trying to convey sort of an unofficial motto. However, it is a bit strange there.
- Course and facilities - The second and third paragraphs seem a bit redundant - they contain overlapping information about the student body. Also, what are the "summer classes", and do they differ from the main program?
- Basically they take in two classes a year, a larger summer class and a smaller winter class. It is a reference to the start time of each course. I will edit those paragraphs some.
- Female students - Why is the line about the course being co-ed in the footnotes? If it is necessary at all, it should be in the article body.
- Agreed. Removed it.
- Citations - The citation style for the Bower references is inconsistent, The Lamp is italicized in one but not in the other.
- Curricula - In the future you might consider expanding the "Advanced Military Studies Program" section further, to make it the same length as the "Advanced Operation Art Studies Fellowship" section.
I moved the "reading list" here because (1) it has no source, and (2) there is no date. The reading list likely changes over time, so there is no telling when this list was current. Please readd only with a reliable source and date. Airborne84 ( talk) 21:17, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Roots of Strategy: Book 1 (Bk. 1) by Brig.Gen. Thomas R. Phillips
- The Art of War (Smithsonian History of Warfare): War and Military Thought by Martin L. Van Creveld
- The Grand Strategy of the Roman Empire: From the First Century A.D. to the Third (Johns Hopkins Paperbacks) by Edward N. Luttwak
- The Wizards of Armageddon (Stanford Nuclear Age Series) by Fred M. Kaplan
- Roots of Strategy: Book 2 by Curtis Brown
- Roots of Strategy Book: 4 Military Classics : The Influence of Sea Power upon History, 1660–1783, Some Principles of Maritime
- Strategy, Command of the Air, Winged Defense by Col. David Jablonsky
- Strategy: Second Revised Edition (Meridian) by Sir Basil Henry Liddell Hart
- The Prince (Bantam Classics) by Niccolò Machiavelli
- On War, Indexed Edition by Carl von Clausewitz
- The Landmark Thucydides: A Comprehensive Guide to the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides
- The Art of War by Sun Tzu
- Clausewitz: A Very Short Introduction by Michael Howard
- History of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides
- Moneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game by Michael Lewis
- The Cambridge Illustrated History of Warfare (Cambridge Illustrated Histories) by Geoffrey Parker
- Understanding Terror Networks by Marc Sageman
- On Bullshit by Harry G. Frankfurt
- The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy by Robert Audi
- Encyclopedia of Philosophy: Vol 7&8 in One Book by Paul Edwards
- How We Think by John Dewey
- The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order by Samuel P. Huntington
- The Tragedy of Great Power Politics by John J. Mearsheimer
- Understanding International Conflicts: An Introduction to Theory and History (Longman Classics in Political Science) by Joseph S. Nye
- The Lexus and the Olive Tree: Understanding Globalization by Thomas L. Friedman
- The Coming Anarchy: Shattering the Dreams of the Post Cold War by Robert D. Kaplan
- Surprise, Security, and the American Experience (Joanna Jackson Goldman Memorial Lecture on American Civilization) by John Lewis Gaddis
- American National Security by Amos A. Jordan
- The Making of Strategy: Rulers, States, and War by Williamson Murray
- Bounding the Global War on Terrorism by Jeffrey Record
- Organization Theory: Modern, Symbolic, and Postmodern Perspectives by Mary Jo Hatch
- Rise and Fall of Strategic Planning by Henry Mintzberg
- Causality and Explanation by Wesley C. Salmon
- Causality and Modern Science: Third Revised Edition by Mario Bunge
- Causality: Models, Reasoning, and Inference by Judea Pearl
- The Visual Display of Quantitative Information by Edward R. Tufte
- Visual and Statistical Thinking: Displays of Evidence for Making Decisions by Edward R. Tufte
- Kaigun: Strategy, Tactics, and Technology in the Imperial Japanese Navy, 1887–1941 by David C. Evans
- Harnessing Complexity by Robert Axelrod
- Issues and Methods in Comparative Politics by Todd Landman
- Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert M. Pirsig