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I understand that customs and passport control are different. However, being British, we do not (yet) have id cards and any official who may request id must be given my passport, even if they are only customs.
I rented a car in Germany (German plates) and drove to the Danish border near Flensburg. I passed the "Danmark" sign, the road surface changed and thought that I would see no border control at all. However, a Danish police or customs officer flagged all the cars I could see (prob not the ones with Danish plates) and me into a picnic area where I voluntarity presented my passport and complied with requests for a quick rifle thru my suitcase for drugs etc. Then I went on my way.
After the Oresund Bridge you land in Sweden and go through the toll booths to pay for using the bridge. A short distance after the booth I was flagged down by a Swedish customs officer to whom I again presented my passport before being asked for it. I expect Swedish/Danish cars are not flagged down. After a couple of how long/where/why questions I was allowed on my way.
Crossing the border from Sweden towards Oslo there is a toll booth for the motorway but no customs for cars, but I think there is a lane for trucks.
So there is customs control and stopping of traffic at both these borders which are both internal to the Schengen area. This is quite proper and I think a good idea, but doesn't the article at least IMPLY that there are no controls at all.
It still seems to depend a lot on the car, the plates and the time of day. Swiss border points are almost always guarded. Eastern European cars get a lot more attention and are made to leave the queue and every piece of luggage is searched. But then they are often economic migrants with ALL their posessions. -- 81.105.243.17 ( talk) 00:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
[Sweden also activly breaks the treaty of the European Union through activly promoting and selling nicontin pouches, refusing to introduce or even allow use of €uro. Sweden breaches the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations through policesupported and court allowed desecration of Quorans outside muslim embassies. Worse is the breaches of the Geneva convention and the UN Mandela rules on treatment of prisoners where one lets many people die of dehydration and hypotermia in isolated slammer cells in custody without trial or counsil.]
CS 03:30, 13 October 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CSjoholm ( talk • contribs)
This article really needs to be shortened. it is very lengthy in parts. lots of it seem copy and paste of Schengen policy verbatim with no summary. like what is the need for Judicial Cooperation section? Michellecrisp ( talk) 15:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
It is disputable if Livigno is part of Schengen or not. Technically it is: the Guardia di Finanza check goods and not passports, but we could say that Livigno is not part of the EU customs area. In Livigno there is the "Polizia di Frontiera" (border police, part of the State Police) and the Carabinieri that check passports on the borders that Livigno has with Switzerland (and the Guardia di Finanza check the goods). The Polizia di Frontiera will stay (like on other Italian borders) to check passports randomly.
Campione d'Italia on the other hand is not part of Schengen as being surrounded by Switzerland the checks are actually done by the Swiss border guards when entering Switzerland. There is no border between Switzerland and Campione d'Italia but the Swiss authorities cannot access the area and the Carabinieri are the police force there. There is no "Polizia di Frontiera" there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.45.128.112 ( talk) 17:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Switzerland is now a member of the Schengen zone.-- Ami in CH ( talk) 06:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Could include note on Schengen uniforms: search this article [1] 161.76.193.214 ( talk) 11:12, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
The article says about Switzerland "Initially border controls of travellers with a schengen visa will be lifted only for roadways, while for airways the controls will be lifted on 29 March 2009, subject to certain conditions." I know Switzerland has major international railway links. (Waterways may also be an issue, but a significantly lesser one.) -- NE2 09:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
I am not sure but I have observed long term stays by some wealthy Middle Eastern citizens in Europe over the summers of several years. This is often done as a long holiday and to escape the heat of the area in the summer. I believe that what used to happen was that they would obtain a Schengen visa which is valid for France or Britain and then spend 3 months on it in London or Paris 5 star hotels, but they would extend their European stay by having also obtained a separate Visa for a 3 month stay in Switzerland, and then stay in 5 star hotels perhaps in Zurich or Geneva.
1. Am I right in saying that because the UK was part of the JUDICIAL cooperation of Schengen that non-European citizens were required to have a Schengen visa for the UK rather than a UK one because although the UK still has border controls, that is the ONLY difference.
and
2. Am I right in saying that since Switzerland joined Schengen 12/12/08, any stay in the CONTINENT of Europe now that goes beyond 3 months would require one to leave the zone for Andorra, Liechtenstein, the former Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Romania etc. rather than anywhere inside it?
3. Since Liechtenstein has few embassies, the Swiss embassies always decided on who to let in and did the issuing of the visas. Are they therefore now issuing Liechtenstein visas but not Swiss ones? -- LeedsKing ( talk) 19:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I've got it. I would have understood before if the link to European Union visa lists hadn't been in tiny writing in the article. -- LeedsKing ( talk) 02:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
The inclusion (or not) of Kosovo as a country in this article should be related to its formal position in the Schengen world. Since the declaration of indepenendence, I do not know what has happened with passports etc. There used to be a dual system with UNMIK identity travel documents and Serbian passports (which most Kosovars refused to touch). If this has changed, then it would seem reasonable to call Kosovo a country, although maybe some note about the administrative arrangements would be in order. —Preceding
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I removed the whole sentence since it's unreferenced. I think this save us the trouble to guess what the status is. Moreover, I don't think that Greece for example, has a different procedure for citizens from different regions of Servia. According to Greece's POV a citizen from Kosovo has the same rights with a citizen for Belgrade. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 20:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Kosovo is not recognized by all Schengen countries. Greece, Slovakia and maybe others didn't recognize it. Kosovo is not a part of the Schengen Zone, so I don't think there is a reason to speak about this area (country or Serbian province Kosovo i Metohija). -- Zik2 ( talk) 15:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be little if anything in the article on criticisms of the Schengen Agreement. There must be arguments against it; what are they? -- Richardrj talk email 10:47, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
The statement "Before World War I, one could travel from Paris to Saint Petersburg without a passport" is a quote from a historian being interviewed as part of a newspaper article, and is really just an example of what you could do at the time (and continued with "European culture that went from Lisbon to Moscow"). It is also only moderately informative (why those particular cities?), as it could be compatible with a variety of border control regiems. For example it could mean:
Does anyone have any more detailed information about what controls (if any) there were between and within European countries (I know some countries at certain periods had internal movement controls)? And was this former "European culture that went from Lisbon to Moscow" the result of any formal agreements/ treaties/ understandings, or just the result of no-one caring about border controls? And were there external border controls, as with Schengen? Wardog ( talk) 11:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
The authoritative source for understanding the historical evolution of European border controls and documentation of inidividuals is The Invention of the Passport, John Torpey (Cambridge UP, 2000). It takes quite some reading to answer the above questions. but the general context is that most European countries had started to dismantle border controls and travel restrictions in the mid-late 19th century, and they were reimposed just before or after WWI. It is all part of the nationalism trend of the build-up to the two world wars and anti-globalisation policies of that period. The evolution of Schengen can therefore be most easily identified as the post-war co-operation (Benelux, in particular) that occurred in parallel with the Treaty of Rome. Of course, you should be aware that there were no real travel restrictions for the rich and powerful, so we are talking all the time in this context about the poor and common people. Xenos2008 ( talk) 13:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Do citizens of Schengen-states need a passport to visit Switzerland, Norway, Iceland? Inside the EU they can travel only with ID-card, but what about non-EU Schengen states? 199.64.72.252 ( talk) 13:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
There is really no difference in terms of border controls between EU states and those states associated with the EU through bilateral treaties like the Schengen association agreement. Since many of the EU policies have been generated from the top down, Switzerland with his traditionally independent and democratic institutions casts a popular vote on policies related to the European Union. This is politically relevant and interesting for Europe as a whole. I therefore urge to keep my short sentence, corrected, in the context of the Schengen Agreement as is. But correctly, of course, no non-EU states can directly join the Schengen agreement, even those which fully join the EU later on! ( Osterluzei ( talk) 22:01, 14 June 2013 (UTC))
I propose to split this article. I think this article's quite large, but this isn't the real reason I'll like to split it. I really think we should have an article on the Schengen Area. That article could concentrate on the current rules and extent of the area, while this article could concentrate on the agreement itself and their history. — Blue-Haired Lawyer 12:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
The article currently states that "when travelling by air between Schengen countries, or within a single Schengen country, identification (usually passport or national ID card) is requested at the airport check-in counters." This is not true in general; at least on some Swedish SAS routes passengers can travel without being identified. A passenger with checked in their luggage, must however prove that he or she also boards the plan by providing a matching fingerprint scan at check-in and boarding.
The article further states: "Also, the nationals who need a visa for Schengen countries are asked to present it together with a valid passport. Although immigration control is generally not applied at points of departure or arrival (essentially, the flight is classed as 'domestic'), this lower form of border control is performed at airport check-in counters." Here, a reference supporting this claim would be most welcome. Filur ( talk) 16:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
if the internal borders within most of the EU countries are lifted anyone knows why EU's maps still show countries with borders?-- Melitikus ( talk) 14:18, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Because the Union is a forum for co-operation, not a country in itself. The countries are still separate. You can now go across a border and be under a different government and laws without going through a border post with guards, but you are still in a different country and the borders are in the places they have been since each country was created. But now the border are basically just lines on map and the only physical obstructions are natural ones like rivers, seas and mountain tops. But apart from police and customs checks, the idea is that nobody is stopped simply for crossing between the countries. e.g. you could go from Belgium to France which have different sex and drug laws and a different judicial system and never see a single border control. The maps still show the borders because maps are supposed to show what land belongs to which country and it's national government, and what laws apply where. France is still France and ruled from Paris, Germany is still ruled from Berlin. We are not yet a United States of Europe. -- 90.220.241.72 ( talk) 20:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events/2009_December_19 ...
"Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro were put on what is known as the "Schengen white list" on 30 November, which permits their citizens to travel anywhere in the Schengen visa-free zone and stay for up to 90 days." per http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/at-last-serbs-win-passport-to-freedom-1845113.html 99.24.249.96 ( talk) 15:01, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
The article just said that it was signed in a boat anchored in Schengen in Luxembourg.
News sources say that it was signed in the middle of the river, see e.g. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4738063.stm
The BBC article emphasises that the river forms the border between Luxembourg and Germany. Their article omits to mention France in this, but given the extremely close proximity of Schengen to the point where all three borders meet, and the obviously highly relevant symbolic importance of this, I don't think it is too much of a speculation for me to conclude from the reported fact that it was signed mid-river that the exact point was the one where the borders all meet. In fact, it is really pretty much inconceivable for it to have been otherwise. So that's what I wrote. No name is good name ( talk) 18:37, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Schengen Wall redirects to here. It most probably refers to the notion of Schengen visa to be a hindrance for non-EU nationals to enter the EU, like a wall - and maybe it is a reference to the Iron curtain... Anyway, I think we should have some "reactions" section were the various positions should be shown (positive and negative agreement). Alinor ( talk) 05:57, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
I would like to draw your attention to this discussion here about the Schengen cooperation being an enhanced coopertion. -- Glentamara ( talk) 09:18, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Gibraltar appears to be joining the Schengen Area as part of the UK-Spain deal on its status per Financial Times "Spain and UK agree deal to keep Gibraltar land border open" ( https://on.ft.com/3rHCLNl )
How do we want to handle this? When the treaty is ratified do we want to add the UK to the Infobox as a party, Gibraltar, or none?
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I understand that customs and passport control are different. However, being British, we do not (yet) have id cards and any official who may request id must be given my passport, even if they are only customs.
I rented a car in Germany (German plates) and drove to the Danish border near Flensburg. I passed the "Danmark" sign, the road surface changed and thought that I would see no border control at all. However, a Danish police or customs officer flagged all the cars I could see (prob not the ones with Danish plates) and me into a picnic area where I voluntarity presented my passport and complied with requests for a quick rifle thru my suitcase for drugs etc. Then I went on my way.
After the Oresund Bridge you land in Sweden and go through the toll booths to pay for using the bridge. A short distance after the booth I was flagged down by a Swedish customs officer to whom I again presented my passport before being asked for it. I expect Swedish/Danish cars are not flagged down. After a couple of how long/where/why questions I was allowed on my way.
Crossing the border from Sweden towards Oslo there is a toll booth for the motorway but no customs for cars, but I think there is a lane for trucks.
So there is customs control and stopping of traffic at both these borders which are both internal to the Schengen area. This is quite proper and I think a good idea, but doesn't the article at least IMPLY that there are no controls at all.
It still seems to depend a lot on the car, the plates and the time of day. Swiss border points are almost always guarded. Eastern European cars get a lot more attention and are made to leave the queue and every piece of luggage is searched. But then they are often economic migrants with ALL their posessions. -- 81.105.243.17 ( talk) 00:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
[Sweden also activly breaks the treaty of the European Union through activly promoting and selling nicontin pouches, refusing to introduce or even allow use of €uro. Sweden breaches the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations through policesupported and court allowed desecration of Quorans outside muslim embassies. Worse is the breaches of the Geneva convention and the UN Mandela rules on treatment of prisoners where one lets many people die of dehydration and hypotermia in isolated slammer cells in custody without trial or counsil.]
CS 03:30, 13 October 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CSjoholm ( talk • contribs)
This article really needs to be shortened. it is very lengthy in parts. lots of it seem copy and paste of Schengen policy verbatim with no summary. like what is the need for Judicial Cooperation section? Michellecrisp ( talk) 15:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
It is disputable if Livigno is part of Schengen or not. Technically it is: the Guardia di Finanza check goods and not passports, but we could say that Livigno is not part of the EU customs area. In Livigno there is the "Polizia di Frontiera" (border police, part of the State Police) and the Carabinieri that check passports on the borders that Livigno has with Switzerland (and the Guardia di Finanza check the goods). The Polizia di Frontiera will stay (like on other Italian borders) to check passports randomly.
Campione d'Italia on the other hand is not part of Schengen as being surrounded by Switzerland the checks are actually done by the Swiss border guards when entering Switzerland. There is no border between Switzerland and Campione d'Italia but the Swiss authorities cannot access the area and the Carabinieri are the police force there. There is no "Polizia di Frontiera" there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.45.128.112 ( talk) 17:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Switzerland is now a member of the Schengen zone.-- Ami in CH ( talk) 06:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Could include note on Schengen uniforms: search this article [1] 161.76.193.214 ( talk) 11:12, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
The article says about Switzerland "Initially border controls of travellers with a schengen visa will be lifted only for roadways, while for airways the controls will be lifted on 29 March 2009, subject to certain conditions." I know Switzerland has major international railway links. (Waterways may also be an issue, but a significantly lesser one.) -- NE2 09:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
I am not sure but I have observed long term stays by some wealthy Middle Eastern citizens in Europe over the summers of several years. This is often done as a long holiday and to escape the heat of the area in the summer. I believe that what used to happen was that they would obtain a Schengen visa which is valid for France or Britain and then spend 3 months on it in London or Paris 5 star hotels, but they would extend their European stay by having also obtained a separate Visa for a 3 month stay in Switzerland, and then stay in 5 star hotels perhaps in Zurich or Geneva.
1. Am I right in saying that because the UK was part of the JUDICIAL cooperation of Schengen that non-European citizens were required to have a Schengen visa for the UK rather than a UK one because although the UK still has border controls, that is the ONLY difference.
and
2. Am I right in saying that since Switzerland joined Schengen 12/12/08, any stay in the CONTINENT of Europe now that goes beyond 3 months would require one to leave the zone for Andorra, Liechtenstein, the former Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Romania etc. rather than anywhere inside it?
3. Since Liechtenstein has few embassies, the Swiss embassies always decided on who to let in and did the issuing of the visas. Are they therefore now issuing Liechtenstein visas but not Swiss ones? -- LeedsKing ( talk) 19:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I've got it. I would have understood before if the link to European Union visa lists hadn't been in tiny writing in the article. -- LeedsKing ( talk) 02:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
The inclusion (or not) of Kosovo as a country in this article should be related to its formal position in the Schengen world. Since the declaration of indepenendence, I do not know what has happened with passports etc. There used to be a dual system with UNMIK identity travel documents and Serbian passports (which most Kosovars refused to touch). If this has changed, then it would seem reasonable to call Kosovo a country, although maybe some note about the administrative arrangements would be in order. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
79.129.195.216 (
talk)
18:40, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I removed the whole sentence since it's unreferenced. I think this save us the trouble to guess what the status is. Moreover, I don't think that Greece for example, has a different procedure for citizens from different regions of Servia. According to Greece's POV a citizen from Kosovo has the same rights with a citizen for Belgrade. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 20:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Kosovo is not recognized by all Schengen countries. Greece, Slovakia and maybe others didn't recognize it. Kosovo is not a part of the Schengen Zone, so I don't think there is a reason to speak about this area (country or Serbian province Kosovo i Metohija). -- Zik2 ( talk) 15:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be little if anything in the article on criticisms of the Schengen Agreement. There must be arguments against it; what are they? -- Richardrj talk email 10:47, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
The statement "Before World War I, one could travel from Paris to Saint Petersburg without a passport" is a quote from a historian being interviewed as part of a newspaper article, and is really just an example of what you could do at the time (and continued with "European culture that went from Lisbon to Moscow"). It is also only moderately informative (why those particular cities?), as it could be compatible with a variety of border control regiems. For example it could mean:
Does anyone have any more detailed information about what controls (if any) there were between and within European countries (I know some countries at certain periods had internal movement controls)? And was this former "European culture that went from Lisbon to Moscow" the result of any formal agreements/ treaties/ understandings, or just the result of no-one caring about border controls? And were there external border controls, as with Schengen? Wardog ( talk) 11:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
The authoritative source for understanding the historical evolution of European border controls and documentation of inidividuals is The Invention of the Passport, John Torpey (Cambridge UP, 2000). It takes quite some reading to answer the above questions. but the general context is that most European countries had started to dismantle border controls and travel restrictions in the mid-late 19th century, and they were reimposed just before or after WWI. It is all part of the nationalism trend of the build-up to the two world wars and anti-globalisation policies of that period. The evolution of Schengen can therefore be most easily identified as the post-war co-operation (Benelux, in particular) that occurred in parallel with the Treaty of Rome. Of course, you should be aware that there were no real travel restrictions for the rich and powerful, so we are talking all the time in this context about the poor and common people. Xenos2008 ( talk) 13:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Do citizens of Schengen-states need a passport to visit Switzerland, Norway, Iceland? Inside the EU they can travel only with ID-card, but what about non-EU Schengen states? 199.64.72.252 ( talk) 13:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
There is really no difference in terms of border controls between EU states and those states associated with the EU through bilateral treaties like the Schengen association agreement. Since many of the EU policies have been generated from the top down, Switzerland with his traditionally independent and democratic institutions casts a popular vote on policies related to the European Union. This is politically relevant and interesting for Europe as a whole. I therefore urge to keep my short sentence, corrected, in the context of the Schengen Agreement as is. But correctly, of course, no non-EU states can directly join the Schengen agreement, even those which fully join the EU later on! ( Osterluzei ( talk) 22:01, 14 June 2013 (UTC))
I propose to split this article. I think this article's quite large, but this isn't the real reason I'll like to split it. I really think we should have an article on the Schengen Area. That article could concentrate on the current rules and extent of the area, while this article could concentrate on the agreement itself and their history. — Blue-Haired Lawyer 12:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
The article currently states that "when travelling by air between Schengen countries, or within a single Schengen country, identification (usually passport or national ID card) is requested at the airport check-in counters." This is not true in general; at least on some Swedish SAS routes passengers can travel without being identified. A passenger with checked in their luggage, must however prove that he or she also boards the plan by providing a matching fingerprint scan at check-in and boarding.
The article further states: "Also, the nationals who need a visa for Schengen countries are asked to present it together with a valid passport. Although immigration control is generally not applied at points of departure or arrival (essentially, the flight is classed as 'domestic'), this lower form of border control is performed at airport check-in counters." Here, a reference supporting this claim would be most welcome. Filur ( talk) 16:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
if the internal borders within most of the EU countries are lifted anyone knows why EU's maps still show countries with borders?-- Melitikus ( talk) 14:18, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Because the Union is a forum for co-operation, not a country in itself. The countries are still separate. You can now go across a border and be under a different government and laws without going through a border post with guards, but you are still in a different country and the borders are in the places they have been since each country was created. But now the border are basically just lines on map and the only physical obstructions are natural ones like rivers, seas and mountain tops. But apart from police and customs checks, the idea is that nobody is stopped simply for crossing between the countries. e.g. you could go from Belgium to France which have different sex and drug laws and a different judicial system and never see a single border control. The maps still show the borders because maps are supposed to show what land belongs to which country and it's national government, and what laws apply where. France is still France and ruled from Paris, Germany is still ruled from Berlin. We are not yet a United States of Europe. -- 90.220.241.72 ( talk) 20:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events/2009_December_19 ...
"Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro were put on what is known as the "Schengen white list" on 30 November, which permits their citizens to travel anywhere in the Schengen visa-free zone and stay for up to 90 days." per http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/at-last-serbs-win-passport-to-freedom-1845113.html 99.24.249.96 ( talk) 15:01, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
The article just said that it was signed in a boat anchored in Schengen in Luxembourg.
News sources say that it was signed in the middle of the river, see e.g. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4738063.stm
The BBC article emphasises that the river forms the border between Luxembourg and Germany. Their article omits to mention France in this, but given the extremely close proximity of Schengen to the point where all three borders meet, and the obviously highly relevant symbolic importance of this, I don't think it is too much of a speculation for me to conclude from the reported fact that it was signed mid-river that the exact point was the one where the borders all meet. In fact, it is really pretty much inconceivable for it to have been otherwise. So that's what I wrote. No name is good name ( talk) 18:37, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Schengen Wall redirects to here. It most probably refers to the notion of Schengen visa to be a hindrance for non-EU nationals to enter the EU, like a wall - and maybe it is a reference to the Iron curtain... Anyway, I think we should have some "reactions" section were the various positions should be shown (positive and negative agreement). Alinor ( talk) 05:57, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
I would like to draw your attention to this discussion here about the Schengen cooperation being an enhanced coopertion. -- Glentamara ( talk) 09:18, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Gibraltar appears to be joining the Schengen Area as part of the UK-Spain deal on its status per Financial Times "Spain and UK agree deal to keep Gibraltar land border open" ( https://on.ft.com/3rHCLNl )
How do we want to handle this? When the treaty is ratified do we want to add the UK to the Infobox as a party, Gibraltar, or none?