Assessment may take a day or two to prepare. It might be interesting in the meantime to hear how you chose this old film to improve and what your background interest is for you to write such an extensive Analysis section for this film.
JohnWickTwo (
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03:22, 31 July 2018 (UTC)reply
JohnWickTwo, thank you for your willingness to review this article; I have spent a lot of time and energy on this project. I work in the L.Tom Perry Special Collections department in the Harold B. Lee Library at Brigham Young University. We hold the Howard Hawks collection and we have been working on articles related to Howard Hawks and his films. Scarface is one of three Hawks movie page I am working on currently. Upon doing more research for this article, I became pretty passionate about the movie after having learned more about it and I realized how culturally significant the film was and still is. The film epitomized Hawks' film style and life during the time period. It also influenced the censorship battles of the time as well as the gangster movies of the future. I suppose in writing this article, I recognized my interest and passion for film. I look forward to working with you on this review. Thanks!
Skyes(BYU) (
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18:20, 31 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Initiate full assessment
0 Lede section
Does Capone's name need to be invoked twice in the first paragraph here. Also, your phrasing, "is regarded as one of the greatest ", could read better as "is regarded as among of the most significant..."
JohnWickTwo (
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11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Adequate to article. Some editors like to add short descriptions of why actors were selected for certain roles as an option. Also, you could mention any 'similarities' to suggested persona such as Capone, as another option.
JohnWickTwo (
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11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
3 Production
3.1 Background and development
Filmmaking is one word at Wikipedia and can be linked to the article as well. Separately, "...to hire Fred Pasley", is more conventional wording than what you use. Hughes-Hecht-Hawks is a formidable trio.
JohnWickTwo (
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11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Your wording "for the time period", might read as: "for films made in the early 1930s". Accidents and head injuries are usually not covered in the Filming section of film articles. I'm not sure those comments belong in the Filming section.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
For this section as a whole, you might want to look at the Wikipedia film articles for Gone with the Wind, 2001: A Space Odyssey, and Silence by Scorsese as examples of how long in length Analysis sections normally are for GA-film articles on Wikipedia. One option might be to develop some of the more general material you present here by placing into the Gangster Films article at Wikipedia which I mentioned above. That way the article here would more closely resemble other Wikipedia GA-film articles for the Analysis/Interpretation/Themes section.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
4.1.1 Excess
If this is moral excessiveness or non-moral excessiveness then it might be worth calling it that in the section title and your supporting text. "Immoral excess" or "Amoral excess" are phrases I have seen used for this subject matter, though you should choose your own preference to describe it more precisely.
JohnWickTwo (
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11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
4.1.2 American Dream
American Dream also has its own article at Wikipedia which should appear as a See also in this section. By looking at that article, you might then be able to trim some of the material in this section as well, or move some of it to the American Dream Wikipedia article.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Institutional forms of crime is a major topic in formal political theory as well as in literature. I'm not sure that this section is conveying this fact in its current form. I imagine its even more evident when films like "The Godfather" enter the scene in the 1970s.
JohnWickTwo (
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11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
4.3.2 Family
Your point on "directly due to" is I think a little overstated here, since so much of your article have talked about the numerous defects in Tony's character and general immorality. The wording should be adjusted.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
4.3.3 Isolation
Several of the subthemes you are introducing in this section look like they would be better treated in the "Gangster films" article which I previously mentioned above. It might also make this Analysis section a little shorter and more concise for the purposes of being more reader friendly by not being so long in length of exposition for a Wikipedia film article.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Could you mention something about the special features and special featurettes on this film which are often included on DVD releases. Were there any notable "voice-over" commentaries of the film which are available? Who did the voice-over versions, etc.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
6 Reception
You also mentioned earlier in the article that the film was withdrawn from release because of censorship pressures. Did this influence the reception of the film, and should it be mentioned in this section more prominently.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
7 Awards and honors
You might call this section "Industry reception" as done in the Wikipedia article for Gone with the Wind. It might then be included within the Reception section directly above it at present.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
8 Legacy and influence
This section might be simply called Legacy. It might also include the material from the Related films section directly below it at present, since it already mentions Pacino's version at the very start of this section.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
9 Related films
See my comment in the Legacy section above for possibly merging these sections. You already mention Pacino's version there and there are advantages to keeping this material together on this point.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
The remarkable effort of the nominating editor over the last day was to take seriously the comments made in this assessment and to make what looks like 40-50 edits into the article over the last day to improve its writing and its general outline. The result is a much improved article with many new and useful links included in the article to assist interested readers. The article is well-written. The article is neutral in expression and is thoroughly researched with an extensive bibliography which is useful for future development of the article. The images and graphics in the article are well chosen and have informative captions and all check all the boxes. It can be hoped that the nominating editor will be able at some point in time to add further development to this article towards a feature article in the future and this article is passed.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
12:09, 2 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Assessment may take a day or two to prepare. It might be interesting in the meantime to hear how you chose this old film to improve and what your background interest is for you to write such an extensive Analysis section for this film.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
03:22, 31 July 2018 (UTC)reply
JohnWickTwo, thank you for your willingness to review this article; I have spent a lot of time and energy on this project. I work in the L.Tom Perry Special Collections department in the Harold B. Lee Library at Brigham Young University. We hold the Howard Hawks collection and we have been working on articles related to Howard Hawks and his films. Scarface is one of three Hawks movie page I am working on currently. Upon doing more research for this article, I became pretty passionate about the movie after having learned more about it and I realized how culturally significant the film was and still is. The film epitomized Hawks' film style and life during the time period. It also influenced the censorship battles of the time as well as the gangster movies of the future. I suppose in writing this article, I recognized my interest and passion for film. I look forward to working with you on this review. Thanks!
Skyes(BYU) (
talk)
18:20, 31 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Initiate full assessment
0 Lede section
Does Capone's name need to be invoked twice in the first paragraph here. Also, your phrasing, "is regarded as one of the greatest ", could read better as "is regarded as among of the most significant..."
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Adequate to article. Some editors like to add short descriptions of why actors were selected for certain roles as an option. Also, you could mention any 'similarities' to suggested persona such as Capone, as another option.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
3 Production
3.1 Background and development
Filmmaking is one word at Wikipedia and can be linked to the article as well. Separately, "...to hire Fred Pasley", is more conventional wording than what you use. Hughes-Hecht-Hawks is a formidable trio.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Your wording "for the time period", might read as: "for films made in the early 1930s". Accidents and head injuries are usually not covered in the Filming section of film articles. I'm not sure those comments belong in the Filming section.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
For this section as a whole, you might want to look at the Wikipedia film articles for Gone with the Wind, 2001: A Space Odyssey, and Silence by Scorsese as examples of how long in length Analysis sections normally are for GA-film articles on Wikipedia. One option might be to develop some of the more general material you present here by placing into the Gangster Films article at Wikipedia which I mentioned above. That way the article here would more closely resemble other Wikipedia GA-film articles for the Analysis/Interpretation/Themes section.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
4.1.1 Excess
If this is moral excessiveness or non-moral excessiveness then it might be worth calling it that in the section title and your supporting text. "Immoral excess" or "Amoral excess" are phrases I have seen used for this subject matter, though you should choose your own preference to describe it more precisely.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
4.1.2 American Dream
American Dream also has its own article at Wikipedia which should appear as a See also in this section. By looking at that article, you might then be able to trim some of the material in this section as well, or move some of it to the American Dream Wikipedia article.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Institutional forms of crime is a major topic in formal political theory as well as in literature. I'm not sure that this section is conveying this fact in its current form. I imagine its even more evident when films like "The Godfather" enter the scene in the 1970s.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
4.3.2 Family
Your point on "directly due to" is I think a little overstated here, since so much of your article have talked about the numerous defects in Tony's character and general immorality. The wording should be adjusted.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
4.3.3 Isolation
Several of the subthemes you are introducing in this section look like they would be better treated in the "Gangster films" article which I previously mentioned above. It might also make this Analysis section a little shorter and more concise for the purposes of being more reader friendly by not being so long in length of exposition for a Wikipedia film article.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Could you mention something about the special features and special featurettes on this film which are often included on DVD releases. Were there any notable "voice-over" commentaries of the film which are available? Who did the voice-over versions, etc.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
6 Reception
You also mentioned earlier in the article that the film was withdrawn from release because of censorship pressures. Did this influence the reception of the film, and should it be mentioned in this section more prominently.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
7 Awards and honors
You might call this section "Industry reception" as done in the Wikipedia article for Gone with the Wind. It might then be included within the Reception section directly above it at present.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
8 Legacy and influence
This section might be simply called Legacy. It might also include the material from the Related films section directly below it at present, since it already mentions Pacino's version at the very start of this section.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
9 Related films
See my comment in the Legacy section above for possibly merging these sections. You already mention Pacino's version there and there are advantages to keeping this material together on this point.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
11:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)reply
The remarkable effort of the nominating editor over the last day was to take seriously the comments made in this assessment and to make what looks like 40-50 edits into the article over the last day to improve its writing and its general outline. The result is a much improved article with many new and useful links included in the article to assist interested readers. The article is well-written. The article is neutral in expression and is thoroughly researched with an extensive bibliography which is useful for future development of the article. The images and graphics in the article are well chosen and have informative captions and all check all the boxes. It can be hoped that the nominating editor will be able at some point in time to add further development to this article towards a feature article in the future and this article is passed.
JohnWickTwo (
talk)
12:09, 2 August 2018 (UTC)reply