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Until I read this article, I had _NEVER_ heard of the Skåne region being referred to as "Scania". That lead to a bit of confusion on my part, and I imagine the same is true for others. I suggest a bit of latitude... Let's not be so strident and zellous (sp?) with enforcing some wikipedia set of rules. I suggest we let the "Skåne" spelling take a more prominent position in the text.
Topic Change... I've heard two observations about Skåne that I'd like to share...
1st, it's said that the Skåne region is to Sweden as Texas is to the United States. While they may not go around with ten gallon hats, hand guns, and spit tobacco, they _apparently_ have their own distinctive dialect (probably from the Danish times?) and a certain ATTITUDE that we in the US associate with Texas. I have absolutely no idea if the above statement is correct or not, but in case it's relevant to the article, I toss this out there for someone to research.
2nd, it's also been said that consumer product testers from European companies that want to sell in the U.S. first test their products for sale in Sweden. The corrolary (sp?) is that U.S. companies that want to sell consumer products in Europe first test market them in Sweden. In both cases, for similar reasons. Again, I toss this out there for someone else to consider looking into.
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When you translate a region's name into the original languages, you can't allways write the languages in the brackets alphabetically. As it is now the article looks quite weird, when the languages Danish and Norwegian are put in front of Swedish in the brackets. Swedish is the only official language of the Scania region and if the region has a simular name in other languages that is unintresting. You don't write Danish in front of Swedish in the article: Sweden, when you translate the name Sweden into Sverige (in fact you don't write Danish at all, eaven if the name Sverige is used also in Denmark).—Preceding unsigned comment added by Leffe00 ( talk • contribs) 21:52, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
I removed "danish" from the first sentence in the article since it is not a language spoken in Scania. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.250.206.41 ( talk) 02:04, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Many of you convey a nationalistic view of language. Yes; "swedish" is the official majority language of Sweden and thereby of Scania. However; Any linguist will tell you that the language in Scandinavia is scandinavian. A single language in the Germanic family of languages. The splitting of Scandinavian into three diffrent national languages, Danish, Swedish and (Neo-) Norwigian is only due to politically nationalist purposes. The actaual language is the same, only with slight natural fluctuations in spelling practise, choice of wording and pronounciation between the diffrent regions of Scandinavia. Scandinavians themselves make the choice to speak mutual and including scandinavian or nationalized and excluding national languages. Many regions have dialectal practises with a greater variation and diffrences making them more like proper languages than the diffrences between the national variants linguistically separates danish, swedish and norwigan.
CS 06:03, 9 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CSjoholm ( talk • contribs)
The article contains (20 March 2010) the following section:
The status of Scania and the influence Scania has on the relationship between Denmark and Sweden are still contentious issues in the nationalistic discourse in the two countries. One of the state nationalist parties, the Sweden Democrats, is active in Scania and has launched frequent campaigns in the province under the slogan "Keep Sweden Swedish", a slogan which party spokesmen pronounced was their "most important message" during the 2006 election campaign. A member of the nationalist Danish People's Party created another stir in December 2007 by announcing that he would like to see Scania, Halland and Blekinge reunited with Denmark, if they expressed such a desire through a referendum.
The "nationalistic discourse" in Denmark and Sweden ar quite unanimous. Their concerns are about immigration, especially from non-european countries, and the growing number of muslims. They are populist and xenophobic, trying to exploit the fear of ordinary people. But that has nothing whatsoever with the "status of Scania". This is a non-issue in both countries and has been for some 200 years. A few individuals' odd opinions are really not worth such attention. -- Vedum ( talk) 19:28, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
"The only non-controversial thing he has said so far was claiming that Skåneland was essentially Danish. This is a mainstream view in Denmark and completely non-radical and non-controversial." That is not true at all. I am a Dane and I have met noone apart from members of DF or more radical nationalist groups that held those views. "Even on the Danish far left reunification with Skåneland is strongly supported." That is also total nonsense, I would very much like to see you provide any evidence for such a statement. Regarding your most recent post, talks of Scania and Zealand experiencing closer economical ties does not necessarily imply a reunification with Denmark, in fact I would claim that that is very much far from the truth. -- Saddhiyama ( talk) 20:45, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
The article talks abot the "Scanian dominion" &c. If you check the article Dominion you only find references to British usage. The article Dominions of Sweden was created by the user "Mic" many years ago. This man was famous for creating his own terminology. My question is: Is the word "Dominion" used in English when talking about non-british territories? -- Vedum ( talk) 18:58, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Some parts ought to be moved to other articles. The traditional provices (the landskap) in Sweden are not administrative or political entities. In this case the County (län) and the Region have almost the same boundaries as the province. But nevertheless the section "Regional politics" fits better in in the article Region Skåne. If someone has another opinion, please let me hear, otherwise I will make a move. -- Muniswede ( talk) 21:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
The history section here is much larger that the whole history article. They should be merged one way or the other. -- Vedum ( talk) 21:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC) Scania is a world leading provider of transport solutions in more than 100 countries. They partners and customers are driving the shift towards a sustainable transport system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.221.195.235 ( talk) 06:39, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
"There are no independence movements organized for electoral contests in Scania", supported by a source from 2005, if we are absolutely thorough, this doesn't cover time after its publishing. And the phrase "organized for electoral contests" feels a bit embroiled. Better and more true (based on the source) could be "By 2005 there were no political parties which supported independence" Boeing720 ( talk) 06:36, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Four years ago I proposed that the section Regional politics could be moved to the county (län) or region (landsting) articles as the province (landskap) is not a political entity. There was no discussion about that at the time (only one concerning te use endonyms and exonyms). Now, the article is under constant rewriting by two users, "Boeing720" and "Peter isotalo" with somewhat opposing approaches. I now wonder if you have any opinions about this proposal. -- Muniswede ( talk) 09:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I removed [2] Boeing720's addition regarding referendums. They are entirely based on primary sources in the form of statistics. As such, the selection of facts has been made by a single user. I don't doubt that there are differences in how Scanians vote, but the comparison should be with all of Sweden, and based on selections by secondary sources.
In line with the comment in the section above, it's also quite questionable why it is relevant in an article about an historical landskap.
Peter Isotalo 21:20, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
It is in order to show differencies, I made no personal interpretaions of the data. The article covers its population aswell. I once asked a noteboard (as an example) if "Mein Kampf" could be used to show that Hitler hated Jews. The answer was yes (to any part where Hitler gives antisemitic statements), provided no further interpretations were added. I find this to be similar. Boeing720 ( talk) 21:19, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure if "Scania" or "Skåne" is the most common name used in modern English texts, but it's undisputable that both are used in actual English texts. [3] [4] [5] [6] This is the same as with all other Swedish Place names except for Gothenburg. I'm sure there's plenty of uses of "Skane", [7] but I don't know how relevant it is.
So I have no idea why it would be referred to as "locally known" when it's used in both Swedish and English (unlike "Göteborg"). It seems to be for reasons other than the guidelines specified by WP:TITLE or WP:LEAD.
Peter Isotalo 16:29, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Some of us have made corrections a few times now, to the first line of the article, to make it clear to any regular (non-Swedish & non-scholarly) reader that the English word "Scania" is not pronounced the same as the Swedish word "Skåne". That attempt to establish full clarity keeps getting reversed by a few Swedish editors, with edit summary comments like "Swedish is the only relevant language, just like with all other Swedish cities", which I find very confusing and hardly can be intentional (?) on English Wikipedia. I am now restoring the clarity and asking any and all editors to be considerate. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 21:32, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
The center for political administration of Skåne is not Malmö but Christianstad (Kristianstad).
After the joining of the two administrative shires (~county)or actually "län" "Malmö Hus län" and "Kristianstad län" in the 1990s the administration was split betewen the two capitals but the center for the Regional Parlament, "regionsfullmäktige" and political power is Kristianstad and not Malmö, as this article falsly implies. 193.14.65.55 ( talk) 05:33, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Swedish "län" and "landskap" are "shires" not "counties".
A county with the proper translation to "grevskap" is a smaller administrative unit, more corresponding to the swedish "kommun". Google Translate actually translates "län" as "state" today and that is a better and fuller explanation of what a "län" function as. Given that most states in countries that have those are bigger and more populated than swedish "län", counties are generally much smaller and have great fewer functions.
Historically Scania contained a great number of rural and agricultural "grevskap"; proper counties. Today you could say that "Scania, is a swedish shire (län) constituting of 33 municipal counties (kommuner).
This is a common mistake althrough Wiki and beyond and need to be adressed on a wide front! It is confusing and needs to be adressed for the purpose of both locals understanding of english and american vocabulary and terminology as well as for english speaking students of Sweden and Scandinavia.
Scania, Skåne, of course is in contemporary administrative swedish dubbed a "region" marking that it historically was split in two diffrent administrative shires, "län".
Please assist.
https://translate.google.com/#sv/en/l%C3%A4n
CS 06:22, 9 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CSjoholm ( talk • contribs)
Shouldn't there be a section of the Swedification of Scania? It was very brutal and according to Herman Lindqvist it was ethnic cleansing.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/kolumnister/hermanlindqvist/article11667362.ab (swedish)
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How reliable is someone like comedian Fredrik Lindström (writer) as a source for some of the dramatic additions made recently about very severe treatment of the Scanians? In his entertainment stuff, doesn't he usually relate more-or-less wild tails of folklore, such as in Swedish are called skrönor? -- 85.194.1.37 ( talk) 23:43, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Is it "Scah-nia" or "Scay-nia"? Please put something in lead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.146.20.14 ( talk) 10:33, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
This article says, "Scania was first mentioned in written texts in the 9th century." However, immediately preceding this sentence is a link to the article on the history of Scania ( /info/en/?search=History_of_Scania), which says, "Scania was first mentioned in written texts in the 8th century." Furthermore, this article says, "The southernmost tip of what is today Sweden was called Scania by the [presumably ancient] Romans and thought to be an island." How do we know what the Romans called it if it wasn't mentioned in written texts until hundreds of years later? (I assume that the oral tradition wouldn't have preserved such minor information for so long.)
Can anyone clarify these discrepancies?
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Until I read this article, I had _NEVER_ heard of the Skåne region being referred to as "Scania". That lead to a bit of confusion on my part, and I imagine the same is true for others. I suggest a bit of latitude... Let's not be so strident and zellous (sp?) with enforcing some wikipedia set of rules. I suggest we let the "Skåne" spelling take a more prominent position in the text.
Topic Change... I've heard two observations about Skåne that I'd like to share...
1st, it's said that the Skåne region is to Sweden as Texas is to the United States. While they may not go around with ten gallon hats, hand guns, and spit tobacco, they _apparently_ have their own distinctive dialect (probably from the Danish times?) and a certain ATTITUDE that we in the US associate with Texas. I have absolutely no idea if the above statement is correct or not, but in case it's relevant to the article, I toss this out there for someone to research.
2nd, it's also been said that consumer product testers from European companies that want to sell in the U.S. first test their products for sale in Sweden. The corrolary (sp?) is that U.S. companies that want to sell consumer products in Europe first test market them in Sweden. In both cases, for similar reasons. Again, I toss this out there for someone else to consider looking into.
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When you translate a region's name into the original languages, you can't allways write the languages in the brackets alphabetically. As it is now the article looks quite weird, when the languages Danish and Norwegian are put in front of Swedish in the brackets. Swedish is the only official language of the Scania region and if the region has a simular name in other languages that is unintresting. You don't write Danish in front of Swedish in the article: Sweden, when you translate the name Sweden into Sverige (in fact you don't write Danish at all, eaven if the name Sverige is used also in Denmark).—Preceding unsigned comment added by Leffe00 ( talk • contribs) 21:52, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
I removed "danish" from the first sentence in the article since it is not a language spoken in Scania. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.250.206.41 ( talk) 02:04, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Many of you convey a nationalistic view of language. Yes; "swedish" is the official majority language of Sweden and thereby of Scania. However; Any linguist will tell you that the language in Scandinavia is scandinavian. A single language in the Germanic family of languages. The splitting of Scandinavian into three diffrent national languages, Danish, Swedish and (Neo-) Norwigian is only due to politically nationalist purposes. The actaual language is the same, only with slight natural fluctuations in spelling practise, choice of wording and pronounciation between the diffrent regions of Scandinavia. Scandinavians themselves make the choice to speak mutual and including scandinavian or nationalized and excluding national languages. Many regions have dialectal practises with a greater variation and diffrences making them more like proper languages than the diffrences between the national variants linguistically separates danish, swedish and norwigan.
CS 06:03, 9 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CSjoholm ( talk • contribs)
The article contains (20 March 2010) the following section:
The status of Scania and the influence Scania has on the relationship between Denmark and Sweden are still contentious issues in the nationalistic discourse in the two countries. One of the state nationalist parties, the Sweden Democrats, is active in Scania and has launched frequent campaigns in the province under the slogan "Keep Sweden Swedish", a slogan which party spokesmen pronounced was their "most important message" during the 2006 election campaign. A member of the nationalist Danish People's Party created another stir in December 2007 by announcing that he would like to see Scania, Halland and Blekinge reunited with Denmark, if they expressed such a desire through a referendum.
The "nationalistic discourse" in Denmark and Sweden ar quite unanimous. Their concerns are about immigration, especially from non-european countries, and the growing number of muslims. They are populist and xenophobic, trying to exploit the fear of ordinary people. But that has nothing whatsoever with the "status of Scania". This is a non-issue in both countries and has been for some 200 years. A few individuals' odd opinions are really not worth such attention. -- Vedum ( talk) 19:28, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
"The only non-controversial thing he has said so far was claiming that Skåneland was essentially Danish. This is a mainstream view in Denmark and completely non-radical and non-controversial." That is not true at all. I am a Dane and I have met noone apart from members of DF or more radical nationalist groups that held those views. "Even on the Danish far left reunification with Skåneland is strongly supported." That is also total nonsense, I would very much like to see you provide any evidence for such a statement. Regarding your most recent post, talks of Scania and Zealand experiencing closer economical ties does not necessarily imply a reunification with Denmark, in fact I would claim that that is very much far from the truth. -- Saddhiyama ( talk) 20:45, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
The article talks abot the "Scanian dominion" &c. If you check the article Dominion you only find references to British usage. The article Dominions of Sweden was created by the user "Mic" many years ago. This man was famous for creating his own terminology. My question is: Is the word "Dominion" used in English when talking about non-british territories? -- Vedum ( talk) 18:58, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Some parts ought to be moved to other articles. The traditional provices (the landskap) in Sweden are not administrative or political entities. In this case the County (län) and the Region have almost the same boundaries as the province. But nevertheless the section "Regional politics" fits better in in the article Region Skåne. If someone has another opinion, please let me hear, otherwise I will make a move. -- Muniswede ( talk) 21:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
The history section here is much larger that the whole history article. They should be merged one way or the other. -- Vedum ( talk) 21:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC) Scania is a world leading provider of transport solutions in more than 100 countries. They partners and customers are driving the shift towards a sustainable transport system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.221.195.235 ( talk) 06:39, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
"There are no independence movements organized for electoral contests in Scania", supported by a source from 2005, if we are absolutely thorough, this doesn't cover time after its publishing. And the phrase "organized for electoral contests" feels a bit embroiled. Better and more true (based on the source) could be "By 2005 there were no political parties which supported independence" Boeing720 ( talk) 06:36, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Four years ago I proposed that the section Regional politics could be moved to the county (län) or region (landsting) articles as the province (landskap) is not a political entity. There was no discussion about that at the time (only one concerning te use endonyms and exonyms). Now, the article is under constant rewriting by two users, "Boeing720" and "Peter isotalo" with somewhat opposing approaches. I now wonder if you have any opinions about this proposal. -- Muniswede ( talk) 09:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I removed [2] Boeing720's addition regarding referendums. They are entirely based on primary sources in the form of statistics. As such, the selection of facts has been made by a single user. I don't doubt that there are differences in how Scanians vote, but the comparison should be with all of Sweden, and based on selections by secondary sources.
In line with the comment in the section above, it's also quite questionable why it is relevant in an article about an historical landskap.
Peter Isotalo 21:20, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
It is in order to show differencies, I made no personal interpretaions of the data. The article covers its population aswell. I once asked a noteboard (as an example) if "Mein Kampf" could be used to show that Hitler hated Jews. The answer was yes (to any part where Hitler gives antisemitic statements), provided no further interpretations were added. I find this to be similar. Boeing720 ( talk) 21:19, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure if "Scania" or "Skåne" is the most common name used in modern English texts, but it's undisputable that both are used in actual English texts. [3] [4] [5] [6] This is the same as with all other Swedish Place names except for Gothenburg. I'm sure there's plenty of uses of "Skane", [7] but I don't know how relevant it is.
So I have no idea why it would be referred to as "locally known" when it's used in both Swedish and English (unlike "Göteborg"). It seems to be for reasons other than the guidelines specified by WP:TITLE or WP:LEAD.
Peter Isotalo 16:29, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Some of us have made corrections a few times now, to the first line of the article, to make it clear to any regular (non-Swedish & non-scholarly) reader that the English word "Scania" is not pronounced the same as the Swedish word "Skåne". That attempt to establish full clarity keeps getting reversed by a few Swedish editors, with edit summary comments like "Swedish is the only relevant language, just like with all other Swedish cities", which I find very confusing and hardly can be intentional (?) on English Wikipedia. I am now restoring the clarity and asking any and all editors to be considerate. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 21:32, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
The center for political administration of Skåne is not Malmö but Christianstad (Kristianstad).
After the joining of the two administrative shires (~county)or actually "län" "Malmö Hus län" and "Kristianstad län" in the 1990s the administration was split betewen the two capitals but the center for the Regional Parlament, "regionsfullmäktige" and political power is Kristianstad and not Malmö, as this article falsly implies. 193.14.65.55 ( talk) 05:33, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Swedish "län" and "landskap" are "shires" not "counties".
A county with the proper translation to "grevskap" is a smaller administrative unit, more corresponding to the swedish "kommun". Google Translate actually translates "län" as "state" today and that is a better and fuller explanation of what a "län" function as. Given that most states in countries that have those are bigger and more populated than swedish "län", counties are generally much smaller and have great fewer functions.
Historically Scania contained a great number of rural and agricultural "grevskap"; proper counties. Today you could say that "Scania, is a swedish shire (län) constituting of 33 municipal counties (kommuner).
This is a common mistake althrough Wiki and beyond and need to be adressed on a wide front! It is confusing and needs to be adressed for the purpose of both locals understanding of english and american vocabulary and terminology as well as for english speaking students of Sweden and Scandinavia.
Scania, Skåne, of course is in contemporary administrative swedish dubbed a "region" marking that it historically was split in two diffrent administrative shires, "län".
Please assist.
https://translate.google.com/#sv/en/l%C3%A4n
CS 06:22, 9 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CSjoholm ( talk • contribs)
Shouldn't there be a section of the Swedification of Scania? It was very brutal and according to Herman Lindqvist it was ethnic cleansing.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/kolumnister/hermanlindqvist/article11667362.ab (swedish)
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How reliable is someone like comedian Fredrik Lindström (writer) as a source for some of the dramatic additions made recently about very severe treatment of the Scanians? In his entertainment stuff, doesn't he usually relate more-or-less wild tails of folklore, such as in Swedish are called skrönor? -- 85.194.1.37 ( talk) 23:43, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Is it "Scah-nia" or "Scay-nia"? Please put something in lead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.146.20.14 ( talk) 10:33, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
This article says, "Scania was first mentioned in written texts in the 9th century." However, immediately preceding this sentence is a link to the article on the history of Scania ( /info/en/?search=History_of_Scania), which says, "Scania was first mentioned in written texts in the 8th century." Furthermore, this article says, "The southernmost tip of what is today Sweden was called Scania by the [presumably ancient] Romans and thought to be an island." How do we know what the Romans called it if it wasn't mentioned in written texts until hundreds of years later? (I assume that the oral tradition wouldn't have preserved such minor information for so long.)
Can anyone clarify these discrepancies?