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Is that the same as a conical bore? Jeffmatt 07:18, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, tapered/conical throughout the length of the instrument.
THIS ARTICLE NEEDS TO STATE THE COMPASSES OF ALL INDIVIDUAL SAXHORNS ---THE LOWEST NOTES POSSIBLE AND THE HIGHEST NOTES POSSIBLE GENERALLY AND THEN ALSO WITH A SUPERIOR PLAYER. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.191.202.151 ( talk) 08:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
I've changed it so it says conical bore instead of tapered. I believe that all other pages use the word conical instead of tapered, and so changed this one for consistency. -- 198.166.22.24 ( talk) 03:44, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Other Googled sources of "Saxhorn" appear to contradict this article, as they do each other.
I do not know who is right on say whether the Euphonium or Flugel Horn are Saxhorns.
E.g. See: - http://home.earthlink.net/~tenorhorn/euphhistory.html Which states:- "Some consider the euphonium to be a B flat tenor tuba; others claim it to be a tenor or baritone Fluegelhorn; still others have mistakenly claimed that the euphonium was a Sax invention, or a derivation of a Sax instrument."
Perhaps this is a matter of ambiguous language depending on Country origin of each authority.
I'm interested in the GB context of Saxhorn, therefore as the original article demonstrates, please define in context of country.
Thanks in advance.
Sax could not have invented the Fluegelhorn. It's existence has been noted since the beginning of the 18th century. The Fluegelhorn is not a Saxhorn. Saxhorns are valved bugles that resemble the cornet in profile...Circa 1846, German bandmasters began referring to the new E flat soprano Saxhorn as a Flügelhorn, while in continental Europe there was an F or E flat soprano instrument referred to as the petite bugle in France, and the pikkolo in Germany. The soprano Saxhorn, however, is not a Fluegel instrument, as it is not possessed of today's universally accepted Fluegel characteristics. The mouthpiece, bore profile and bell-size of the Saxhorn family of instruments are of valved bugle (cornet) configuration.
So, basically, the fluegelhorn (I love saying "fluegelhorn"; it's almost as much fun to say it as to play it) isn't a saxhorn -- but there's a saxhorn that's been incorrectly referred to as a fluegelhorn. (Or, another way to put it might be that you're correct -- it's a matter of ambiguous language depending upon the country of origin of each authority, the German bandmasters inserting some confusion.)
Euphonium has a discussion about the origins of the instrument; apparently there's considerable debate. -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 04:00, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
According to http://www.alsmiddlebrasspages.com/brasshistory/flugelhistory.html , what we refer to today as a flugelhorn is actually a soprano saxhorn known as the Infantry Saxhorn. I might add it as a reference. but I'm not entirely sure how reliable of a site it is. TrumpetMan202 ( talk) 14:14, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
What is the difference between the modern `Tenor/Baritone in B-flat' and the modern `Baritone/Bass in B-flat'? I'm asking partly out of curiosity and partly because anyone who knows should explain it on the page. 198.99.244.32 ( talk) 20:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
So, what is the range of these things and what clef are these instruments written in? Gingermint ( talk) 03:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
== On removing "factoids" ==
Jaxdelaguerre has removed a note of mine in the table because the facts are already found in other WP articles. But my note was meant to explain to someone coming to <u>this</u> article why if saxhorns supposedly alternate between E-flat and B-flat there are two B-flat rows in a row in the table without an intermediary E-flat row. Someone coming to this article does not necessarily know where to begin to look for an answer to this puzzling question or is not necessarily ready to investigate who knows how many articles in order to find an explanation for this. Most likely they will go away pretty confused which is exactly the contrary of what an encyclopedia article is meant to achieve. It was a short harmless note that fulfilled a useful role and I can think of no truly reasonable justification for its removal. <small><span style="color:#C0C0C0;">Contact </span>[[User:Basemetal|<span style="color:blue;">Basemetal</span>]] [[User talk:Basemetal|<span style="color:red;">here</span>]]</small> 15:09, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Basemetal
14:37, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
It has been asked before, with no answer, but inquiring minds want to know... so what'S the difference between the two B flat instruments in the table? Are they in the same pitch or an octave apart? -- megA ( talk) 17:39, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
...many, many thanks for this great article. It might be interesting to add that the saxhorn is rediscovered today in individual ensembles of contemporary and improvised music (TonArt Ensemble Hamburg). Due to its special characteristics it is very well suited for contemporary techniques, like multiphonics,excessive range, percussion, use of other mouthpieces (hybrid instruments...). ppppp and fffff is much better representable, complex polyphony with singing and playing is easier to realize than on other deep brass instruments. Some of them use historical instruments. The instrument is gem for improvisers, because it can be use nicely in in small clubs and blend into experimental electronics. Amplification is easy (brass...) so you can use live electronics. I am not sure but I recall that some composers are working on new solo works, in my opinion there is even a competition. I try to compile this information with maybe some links to sites etc. -- Thomas Österheld ( talk) 06:12, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
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Is that the same as a conical bore? Jeffmatt 07:18, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, tapered/conical throughout the length of the instrument.
THIS ARTICLE NEEDS TO STATE THE COMPASSES OF ALL INDIVIDUAL SAXHORNS ---THE LOWEST NOTES POSSIBLE AND THE HIGHEST NOTES POSSIBLE GENERALLY AND THEN ALSO WITH A SUPERIOR PLAYER. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.191.202.151 ( talk) 08:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
I've changed it so it says conical bore instead of tapered. I believe that all other pages use the word conical instead of tapered, and so changed this one for consistency. -- 198.166.22.24 ( talk) 03:44, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Other Googled sources of "Saxhorn" appear to contradict this article, as they do each other.
I do not know who is right on say whether the Euphonium or Flugel Horn are Saxhorns.
E.g. See: - http://home.earthlink.net/~tenorhorn/euphhistory.html Which states:- "Some consider the euphonium to be a B flat tenor tuba; others claim it to be a tenor or baritone Fluegelhorn; still others have mistakenly claimed that the euphonium was a Sax invention, or a derivation of a Sax instrument."
Perhaps this is a matter of ambiguous language depending on Country origin of each authority.
I'm interested in the GB context of Saxhorn, therefore as the original article demonstrates, please define in context of country.
Thanks in advance.
Sax could not have invented the Fluegelhorn. It's existence has been noted since the beginning of the 18th century. The Fluegelhorn is not a Saxhorn. Saxhorns are valved bugles that resemble the cornet in profile...Circa 1846, German bandmasters began referring to the new E flat soprano Saxhorn as a Flügelhorn, while in continental Europe there was an F or E flat soprano instrument referred to as the petite bugle in France, and the pikkolo in Germany. The soprano Saxhorn, however, is not a Fluegel instrument, as it is not possessed of today's universally accepted Fluegel characteristics. The mouthpiece, bore profile and bell-size of the Saxhorn family of instruments are of valved bugle (cornet) configuration.
So, basically, the fluegelhorn (I love saying "fluegelhorn"; it's almost as much fun to say it as to play it) isn't a saxhorn -- but there's a saxhorn that's been incorrectly referred to as a fluegelhorn. (Or, another way to put it might be that you're correct -- it's a matter of ambiguous language depending upon the country of origin of each authority, the German bandmasters inserting some confusion.)
Euphonium has a discussion about the origins of the instrument; apparently there's considerable debate. -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 04:00, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
According to http://www.alsmiddlebrasspages.com/brasshistory/flugelhistory.html , what we refer to today as a flugelhorn is actually a soprano saxhorn known as the Infantry Saxhorn. I might add it as a reference. but I'm not entirely sure how reliable of a site it is. TrumpetMan202 ( talk) 14:14, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
What is the difference between the modern `Tenor/Baritone in B-flat' and the modern `Baritone/Bass in B-flat'? I'm asking partly out of curiosity and partly because anyone who knows should explain it on the page. 198.99.244.32 ( talk) 20:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
So, what is the range of these things and what clef are these instruments written in? Gingermint ( talk) 03:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
== On removing "factoids" ==
Jaxdelaguerre has removed a note of mine in the table because the facts are already found in other WP articles. But my note was meant to explain to someone coming to <u>this</u> article why if saxhorns supposedly alternate between E-flat and B-flat there are two B-flat rows in a row in the table without an intermediary E-flat row. Someone coming to this article does not necessarily know where to begin to look for an answer to this puzzling question or is not necessarily ready to investigate who knows how many articles in order to find an explanation for this. Most likely they will go away pretty confused which is exactly the contrary of what an encyclopedia article is meant to achieve. It was a short harmless note that fulfilled a useful role and I can think of no truly reasonable justification for its removal. <small><span style="color:#C0C0C0;">Contact </span>[[User:Basemetal|<span style="color:blue;">Basemetal</span>]] [[User talk:Basemetal|<span style="color:red;">here</span>]]</small> 15:09, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Basemetal
14:37, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
It has been asked before, with no answer, but inquiring minds want to know... so what'S the difference between the two B flat instruments in the table? Are they in the same pitch or an octave apart? -- megA ( talk) 17:39, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
...many, many thanks for this great article. It might be interesting to add that the saxhorn is rediscovered today in individual ensembles of contemporary and improvised music (TonArt Ensemble Hamburg). Due to its special characteristics it is very well suited for contemporary techniques, like multiphonics,excessive range, percussion, use of other mouthpieces (hybrid instruments...). ppppp and fffff is much better representable, complex polyphony with singing and playing is easier to realize than on other deep brass instruments. Some of them use historical instruments. The instrument is gem for improvisers, because it can be use nicely in in small clubs and blend into experimental electronics. Amplification is easy (brass...) so you can use live electronics. I am not sure but I recall that some composers are working on new solo works, in my opinion there is even a competition. I try to compile this information with maybe some links to sites etc. -- Thomas Österheld ( talk) 06:12, 16 September 2018 (UTC)