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As I've said on other pages, I'm seeing many NPOV edits in this article, and many other related articles as well. For instance, all articles of the premier league actual beginning have been edited with faulty sources (outdated FIFA editorials on Saudi clubs). The RSSSF and the Saudi Arabia Football Federation both hold and state that the beginning of the Saudi Premier League was in 1975-76. It was named the Categorization League (الدوري التصنيفي) because it was the first league, thus, it decided who gets to play in the first division. The next season was then officially called the Premier League. According to official records and sources, the categorization league was without a doubt an official league that was organized by the SAFF, and it was the beginning of the premier league. In other words, it was the first Premier League, it was just named differently because it decided who gets to play in it. What's more ludicrous, the RSSSF page is still cited in the External Links section. FIFA itself admits that the articles they made were editorials, and are not representative of total actual titles, how should they be used as a source instead? I'm reverting this and I hope we can hold it up for discussion instead. MedStudentIMAMU ( talk) 20:41, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello MedStudentIMAMU, you can see in this page
FIFA.com title "Making of a legend" they say " it was natural that they emerged as the inaugural winners when the current Saudi Premier League came into existence in the 1976/77 season". I think FIFA is an official source. But can you tell me where the Saudi Arabia Football Federation say that the beginning of the Saudi Premier League was in 1975-76? because i researched in English and Arabic but i didn't find any thing.
Finaly forgive me for my bad English language. حزل ( talk) 00:28, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
وقد أحرز نادي الوحدة من مدينة مكة المكرمة أول بطولة دوري سعودي لكرة القدم "بمسمى الدوري العام على كأس الملك" ثم تم توحيده عام 1975 بمسمى "الدوري الممتاز على الدرع " و لعبت أول :: نسخة منه بمسمى "الدوري التصنيفي" لأن الفرق كان يتم تصنيفها كدرجة ممتازة أو كدرجة أولى بحسب نتائجها في ذلك الموسم من الدوري السعودي ، ومن ثم في عام 1991 م تغير مسماه إلى كأس دوري خادم الحرمين الشريفين بعد استحداث نظام "المربع الذهبي". وفي 2007 تم إلغاء المربع الذهبي وتسميته بالمسمى الحالي.
You should know the difference between The SAFF and Saudi Pro League Association (رابطة دوري المحترفين السعودي), because The SAFF until now did not say when the Saudi premier league began. I visit the page that you mentioned (spl.com.sa) and i see the web is just an experimental (تجريبي), not yet an official. So you have RSSSF as source that the beginning of Saudi premier league was in 1975, when FIFA web say it was in 1976. We should follow an official source till The SAFF maybe some day will document the history of Saudi premier league. I hope you do not remove my edits which is supported by official sources.
Also i found that you change in Qualification and prize money section, if you do not know that the top three of Saudi pro league and king's cup winner qualifier then look at 2012-13 season as an example, Al-Nassr was in 4th place but did not qualifier to AFC Champions League 2014 because Al Ittihad was the winner of king's cup. Since 2013, King's cup changed by featured a total of 32 teams. [1] Now i think your edits are vandalism. حزل ( talk) 13:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I will not repeat the same talking about FIFA source, because you do not want to accept it. I just want to remembering you that FIFA say under Al Nassr club achievements FIFA.com, to quote "The honours listed above are considered to be the club’s major titles and, as such, are not intended to be a full list of achievements", that means there are achievements in other competitions like: GCC Champions League, but do not mean that they forgot to count a Saudi premier league season. I am not against your edits, but i have to take official sources in this article. حزل ( talk) 15:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I did not refuse SPL!, i said this website till now is an experimental, but if we talk about it, that they said in 1975-76 was named Categorization League (not Premier League), after then in 1976-77 began Saudi Premier League and Saudi First Division League. Finaly, this article talk about Saudi Premier League not Saudi League, because SPL website mentioned that the beginning of Saudi League was in 1951. Thank you and i hope you understand what i mean even if my English language is not good. حزل ( talk) 16:26, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
It is not in beta stages as you say, it is written in Arabic (تجريبي) which means an experimental. Then they do not say Saudi Premier league began in 1975, from your translation "the league was unified in 1975" then was named as Categorization League. You should remember that we discuss about Saudi Premier league not Saudi League. If we added Categorization League, so we have to add the hole seasons of Saudi league which was started in 1951. حزل ( talk) 16:47, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
تم توحيده عام 1975 بمسمى "الدوري الممتاز على الدرع " و لعبت أول :: نسخة منه بمسمى "الدوري التصنيفي" لأن الفرق كان يتم تصنيفها كدرجة ممتازة أو كدرجة أولى بحسب نتائجها في ذلك الموسم :: من الدوري السعودي ، ومن ثم في عام 1991 م تغير مسماه إلى كأس دوري خادم الحرمين الشريفين بعد استحداث نظام "المربع الذهبي". وفي 2007 تم إلغاء المربع الذهبي وتسميته بالمسمى الحالي.
Why you did not translate the hole sentence?
و لعبت أول نسخة منه بمسمى "الدوري التصنيفي" لأن الفرق كان يتم تصنيفها كدرجة ممتازة أو كدرجة أولى بحسب نتائجها في ذلك الموسم من الدوري السعودي
your translation: the first version of this league was played in the name of "The Categorization League" due to categorizing who gets to stay in top flight and who gets relegated, the missed part according to their result in this season of Saudi League. They wrote Saudi League Season which is not count as Saudi Premier League Season. Be specific when you translate again and do not translate what is support your idea and did not translate what does not you like, because not all people in English Wikipedia speak Arabic or know it. حزل ( talk) 18:19, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
This is a personal attack, so here i am done with you. حزل ( talk) 19:11, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
References
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Adumbrativus ( talk) 02:11, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Saudi Professional League → Saudi Pro League – Per WP:COMMONNAME. League is very rarely referred to as Saudi Professional League, much more commonly as Saudi Pro League. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 17:29, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
“ The scheme has been described as "sportswashing" by outside observers.”
The sentence takes the meaning out of the purpose of this article. This article is supposed to give sports information about the league, figures and data, and not newspaper words or biased opinions. Please remove it from the moderators. 77.31.222.94 ( talk) 22:32, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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As I've said on other pages, I'm seeing many NPOV edits in this article, and many other related articles as well. For instance, all articles of the premier league actual beginning have been edited with faulty sources (outdated FIFA editorials on Saudi clubs). The RSSSF and the Saudi Arabia Football Federation both hold and state that the beginning of the Saudi Premier League was in 1975-76. It was named the Categorization League (الدوري التصنيفي) because it was the first league, thus, it decided who gets to play in the first division. The next season was then officially called the Premier League. According to official records and sources, the categorization league was without a doubt an official league that was organized by the SAFF, and it was the beginning of the premier league. In other words, it was the first Premier League, it was just named differently because it decided who gets to play in it. What's more ludicrous, the RSSSF page is still cited in the External Links section. FIFA itself admits that the articles they made were editorials, and are not representative of total actual titles, how should they be used as a source instead? I'm reverting this and I hope we can hold it up for discussion instead. MedStudentIMAMU ( talk) 20:41, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello MedStudentIMAMU, you can see in this page
FIFA.com title "Making of a legend" they say " it was natural that they emerged as the inaugural winners when the current Saudi Premier League came into existence in the 1976/77 season". I think FIFA is an official source. But can you tell me where the Saudi Arabia Football Federation say that the beginning of the Saudi Premier League was in 1975-76? because i researched in English and Arabic but i didn't find any thing.
Finaly forgive me for my bad English language. حزل ( talk) 00:28, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
وقد أحرز نادي الوحدة من مدينة مكة المكرمة أول بطولة دوري سعودي لكرة القدم "بمسمى الدوري العام على كأس الملك" ثم تم توحيده عام 1975 بمسمى "الدوري الممتاز على الدرع " و لعبت أول :: نسخة منه بمسمى "الدوري التصنيفي" لأن الفرق كان يتم تصنيفها كدرجة ممتازة أو كدرجة أولى بحسب نتائجها في ذلك الموسم من الدوري السعودي ، ومن ثم في عام 1991 م تغير مسماه إلى كأس دوري خادم الحرمين الشريفين بعد استحداث نظام "المربع الذهبي". وفي 2007 تم إلغاء المربع الذهبي وتسميته بالمسمى الحالي.
You should know the difference between The SAFF and Saudi Pro League Association (رابطة دوري المحترفين السعودي), because The SAFF until now did not say when the Saudi premier league began. I visit the page that you mentioned (spl.com.sa) and i see the web is just an experimental (تجريبي), not yet an official. So you have RSSSF as source that the beginning of Saudi premier league was in 1975, when FIFA web say it was in 1976. We should follow an official source till The SAFF maybe some day will document the history of Saudi premier league. I hope you do not remove my edits which is supported by official sources.
Also i found that you change in Qualification and prize money section, if you do not know that the top three of Saudi pro league and king's cup winner qualifier then look at 2012-13 season as an example, Al-Nassr was in 4th place but did not qualifier to AFC Champions League 2014 because Al Ittihad was the winner of king's cup. Since 2013, King's cup changed by featured a total of 32 teams. [1] Now i think your edits are vandalism. حزل ( talk) 13:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I will not repeat the same talking about FIFA source, because you do not want to accept it. I just want to remembering you that FIFA say under Al Nassr club achievements FIFA.com, to quote "The honours listed above are considered to be the club’s major titles and, as such, are not intended to be a full list of achievements", that means there are achievements in other competitions like: GCC Champions League, but do not mean that they forgot to count a Saudi premier league season. I am not against your edits, but i have to take official sources in this article. حزل ( talk) 15:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I did not refuse SPL!, i said this website till now is an experimental, but if we talk about it, that they said in 1975-76 was named Categorization League (not Premier League), after then in 1976-77 began Saudi Premier League and Saudi First Division League. Finaly, this article talk about Saudi Premier League not Saudi League, because SPL website mentioned that the beginning of Saudi League was in 1951. Thank you and i hope you understand what i mean even if my English language is not good. حزل ( talk) 16:26, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
It is not in beta stages as you say, it is written in Arabic (تجريبي) which means an experimental. Then they do not say Saudi Premier league began in 1975, from your translation "the league was unified in 1975" then was named as Categorization League. You should remember that we discuss about Saudi Premier league not Saudi League. If we added Categorization League, so we have to add the hole seasons of Saudi league which was started in 1951. حزل ( talk) 16:47, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
تم توحيده عام 1975 بمسمى "الدوري الممتاز على الدرع " و لعبت أول :: نسخة منه بمسمى "الدوري التصنيفي" لأن الفرق كان يتم تصنيفها كدرجة ممتازة أو كدرجة أولى بحسب نتائجها في ذلك الموسم :: من الدوري السعودي ، ومن ثم في عام 1991 م تغير مسماه إلى كأس دوري خادم الحرمين الشريفين بعد استحداث نظام "المربع الذهبي". وفي 2007 تم إلغاء المربع الذهبي وتسميته بالمسمى الحالي.
Why you did not translate the hole sentence?
و لعبت أول نسخة منه بمسمى "الدوري التصنيفي" لأن الفرق كان يتم تصنيفها كدرجة ممتازة أو كدرجة أولى بحسب نتائجها في ذلك الموسم من الدوري السعودي
your translation: the first version of this league was played in the name of "The Categorization League" due to categorizing who gets to stay in top flight and who gets relegated, the missed part according to their result in this season of Saudi League. They wrote Saudi League Season which is not count as Saudi Premier League Season. Be specific when you translate again and do not translate what is support your idea and did not translate what does not you like, because not all people in English Wikipedia speak Arabic or know it. حزل ( talk) 18:19, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
This is a personal attack, so here i am done with you. حزل ( talk) 19:11, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
References
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Adumbrativus ( talk) 02:11, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Saudi Professional League → Saudi Pro League – Per WP:COMMONNAME. League is very rarely referred to as Saudi Professional League, much more commonly as Saudi Pro League. Paul Vaurie ( talk) 17:29, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
“ The scheme has been described as "sportswashing" by outside observers.”
The sentence takes the meaning out of the purpose of this article. This article is supposed to give sports information about the league, figures and data, and not newspaper words or biased opinions. Please remove it from the moderators. 77.31.222.94 ( talk) 22:32, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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change "French start Kylian Mbappé" to "French star Kylian Mbappé" Dwarftoss ( talk) 04:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)