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The content of this page should be reviewed.
1) Why link commercial services - Is this advertisment or wikipedia?
2) Why exagerating the influence of pay-tv services, e.g. sky television? Well they were the first who signed a contract with SES-Astra to rent a transponder. But there were many others at the same, including many free tv-stations. This article suggests that satellite-tv is always pay-tv.
3) DBS has many synonyms. The first DBS-System-Provider calls it DTH Direct to Home.
4) The distinction between DBS and TVRO-Systems is weird. It first suggests that TVRO-Systems are analog and one way. Aftwerwards it points out that digital tv like DVB is a TVRO-System. DK: TVRO is for TeleVision Receive Only. In that sense, yes it is a one-way communications path. They may be analog or digital, but that depends on the source of the signal being transmitted.
Hmm. I was just about to comment on the proliferation of commercial links as well. I think possibly we should cut them all - the ones that are worthy of being linked are probably also worthy of their own articles, so the external links can go there, as is the case with British Sky Broadcasting, for example. - IMSoP 15:29, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
There should an article or a detailed information procedure about HOW SIGNALS UPLINK. i.e from SDI or analog signals what are the other devices involved in the uplinking for example multiplexer to modulator to equilizer to upconvertor to HPA then go to satellite.
DK: I can provide an extremely detailed an explanatory diagram on how the signals are sent from the ground station to the satellite and downlinked to the receiving stations. I can provide as much information as is requested for all users. 12/26/2007
The much more common situation now is for americans to want canadian programming -- canadian satellite services provide more channels for better prices and often include british and australian programming not available in the US.
Not sure how to edit this in.
Following my comments above, from a long time ago, I've got rid of all the external links that just point at one commercial site. The individual companies nearly all have their own Wikipedia articles, so the links should be in those; in case some of them aren't, I'll put all the links I removed here so the information isn't "lost". - IMSoP 00:33, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I agree, this page looks like a commercial for pay-tv-services.
1) the distinction between TVRO and DTH is totally obsolete, cause the market share of non-KU-band sattelite TV-homes is almost 0%. Looks more like: DTH pay-tv = good - TVRO Free-to-air = bad.
2) Pay-TV services are totally exagerated. OK in the US most DTH-Services are Pay-TV.
But in Europe they are not. DTH is simply one possibility (like cable-tv, terrestrial antennas, or ADSL) to receive TV-Programmes. And its not True for Europe, that DTH uses proprietary receivers, most just use standard DVB-S. Even if you receive TV-Programmes via cable, you often primarily pay for the transport service not the content. In many countries there are broadcast stations regulated by public law. these are often free-to-view and often have a quite attractive programme, e.g. in UK BBC1-4, BBC World-Service or in Germany ARD and ZDF with its over 20 broadcast stations. In some countries there are dozens of free-to-air broadcast stations, that can be viewes via DTH. With DTH you can subscribe additional pay-TV-content from any Pay-TV-Service you want, somethimes single TV-Stations, sometimes big packages. OK, some Pay-TV-Services force you to use proprietary-equipment to rule out competitors, like BSkyB does.
So my point is:
This Wikipedia-article reflects only the view of US-Pay-TV-Services, but not the general nature of satellite television, which is more: You can receive anything from anywhere.
This article is overly north-american centric and makes huge assumptions about satellite systems that are only applicable in North America.
I'm going to completely rewrite the article in a few days if nothings done, this is advanced warning. -- Kiand 14:15, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
The critism as it stands is veyr poor. "slow menus" ? Totally personal. There is no reason to explain why cable systems have faster screens then satellite recievers.
Something about economics? Something about long contracts? Something about expensive upgrade-plans? Channel selection versus alternatives? Quality?
All of this is USA specific, how are other countries with regards to this?
The link to Image:Antenne-toroidale.jpg needs a caption, but I'm not sure what it's there to illustrate. -- Beland 05:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
At "get around legislation by some countries against reception of K[u]-band transmissions." say why those countries have that legislation.
Say how many MHz is each band at.
In section "Satellite television by continent and country" quite many weasel words are used, like "unquestioningly," "up to a million by some estimates" and "often heated debate". I have marked the offending section--it needs major non-POV work. -- KJRehberg 20:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
What resolution HD signal do satellite companies broadcast in their HD-TV programs? ( Emk52 01:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC))
== More on history and some links I've added some history of the evolution of satellite TV and LNBs. Also I've added the link to Steve Birkill's history (one of the key people in the creation of the DTH satellite television industry in the 1970s and 1980s.)
Some of the links need a bit of cleaning. I've deleted a linkspam for DirecTV. It has been a few years since I wrote about satellite television technology.-- Jmccormac 20:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Can a person turn a home dish into usable solar energy, like a solar panel? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.118.120.190 ( talk) 22:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC).
This comment was included in article text, so I moved it here for discussion. I think editoral comments only belong if they are commented out or indicated with templates:
Copyright violation text removed from this location, discussing growth and decline of TVRO satellite television in the United States from 1980 to today. Please rewrite this section.
Antonrojo 13:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I've cleaned up some of the external links (removed one link to an article on how satellite tv works and a link to a page on a particular class of satellites. Wikipedia is not a links directory.-- Jmccormac 18:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
"DBS systems are generally based on proprietary transport stream encoding and/or encryption requiring proprietary reception equipment."
DVB-S is an open standard. I've removed the whole paragraph. Totsugeki 09:58, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
What are we waiting for? This section is getting too long and unwieldy. Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:17, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I am unable to find Broadcasting & Cable's updates on the satellite TV legislation. The web site added a new search function. I just checked a library database which has been of no help. Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:52, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Editing urgently needed. The sections "Broadcasting centers", "Programming" and other have been copied from howstuffworks.com. Not only that it is absolutely illegal, the text is also full of errors (e.g. MPEG-2 compression is not the only one).
RE: this article version Was cleaning up some related Satellite TV articles and noticed quite a few problems. Under "Categories of usage" the article states DBS (is) also known as "Direct-To-Home". According to this reference that statement is wrong. Direct-To-Home is an overall classification for home use Satellite TV and DBS, TVRO, etc are all sub types of DTH. The redirect of Direct To Home to DBS is also wrong, "Direct To Home" should link to this article. The "Direct to Home television" section of "Categories of usage" is unreferenced and is a redundant or contradictory description of the "Direct broadcast via satellite" section, i.e. take the same term and describes it again or as something different, a third thing. There are also other cleanups I noticed like a redundant Big ugly dish article (should probably be rolled into Television receive-only) and a general poor linking and set/subset confusion with all these articles. This article seems to have evolved into a WP:SUMMARY article and should probably follow that style, i.e. this article is the overall description of the common term Satellite television and then leads the reader to all the reference sub types. Fountains of Bryn Mawr ( talk) 16:43, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I've removed content that has been scraped and cut and pasted from websites and content farms elsewhere on the web. Some of these websites are just blogs and unreliable sources (WP:RS). The history of Satellite TV may need a few paragraphs but cutting and pasting from other websites (and even changing a few words) is not how Wikipedia articles are created or developed. Some references are reliable but there's the conflation of Satellite TV with Conditional Access Systems (VideoCipher II etc) while these subjects are covered in their own articles on Wikipedia. Jmccormac ( talk) 07:51, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
The UKessays references are not reliable. One of them even cites the Wikipedia pages that it has scraped for the "essay" and it is even taking sections of the various satellite TV pages verbatim. Jmccormac ( talk) 21:34, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
8. Bibliography
(1) Satellite television, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_television
(2) Direct-broadcast satellite, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, For the Japanese communication satellite, see Broadcasting Satellite (Japanese). Website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-broadcast_satellite
(3) Television in the United Kingdom, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, "United Kingdom television" redirects here. For the digital cable and satellite television network, see UKTV. Website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_in_the_United_Kingdom
(4) DIRECT BROADCAST SATELLITE, Satellite Delivery Technology Website: http://www.museum.tv/eotvsection.php?entrycode=directbroadc
The main discussion of the technology of satellite TV receivers is a straight lift with some words changed by someone ignorant of the technology (replacing the word 'amplified' with 'increased' etc) and just churning the content. Some of it has been so badly churned that it is no longer even coherent English.
Jmccormac ( talk) 22:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Per Qxukhgiels' edit reinstate User:Sladen's change [2] (but which didn't actually restore it, I've made a follow-up edit [3] that (hopefully) does what was intended). Please review and check. — Sladen ( talk) 20:13, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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The article currently says "The downlink satellite signal, quite weak after traveling the great distance (see inverse-square law) ..."
I would guess the beams to be a Collimated beam as far as practical, and so the reduction in signal is due to attenuation and diffraction in the atmosphere, not principally inverse-square law.
Does anybody have good information on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.19.3.149 ( talk) 12:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
A lot of information is listed twice, and more information about how satellite TV in the modern era could be useful, instead of the majority of the history being from the 1980s. MightyArms ( talk) 17:05, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
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The content of this page should be reviewed.
1) Why link commercial services - Is this advertisment or wikipedia?
2) Why exagerating the influence of pay-tv services, e.g. sky television? Well they were the first who signed a contract with SES-Astra to rent a transponder. But there were many others at the same, including many free tv-stations. This article suggests that satellite-tv is always pay-tv.
3) DBS has many synonyms. The first DBS-System-Provider calls it DTH Direct to Home.
4) The distinction between DBS and TVRO-Systems is weird. It first suggests that TVRO-Systems are analog and one way. Aftwerwards it points out that digital tv like DVB is a TVRO-System. DK: TVRO is for TeleVision Receive Only. In that sense, yes it is a one-way communications path. They may be analog or digital, but that depends on the source of the signal being transmitted.
Hmm. I was just about to comment on the proliferation of commercial links as well. I think possibly we should cut them all - the ones that are worthy of being linked are probably also worthy of their own articles, so the external links can go there, as is the case with British Sky Broadcasting, for example. - IMSoP 15:29, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
There should an article or a detailed information procedure about HOW SIGNALS UPLINK. i.e from SDI or analog signals what are the other devices involved in the uplinking for example multiplexer to modulator to equilizer to upconvertor to HPA then go to satellite.
DK: I can provide an extremely detailed an explanatory diagram on how the signals are sent from the ground station to the satellite and downlinked to the receiving stations. I can provide as much information as is requested for all users. 12/26/2007
The much more common situation now is for americans to want canadian programming -- canadian satellite services provide more channels for better prices and often include british and australian programming not available in the US.
Not sure how to edit this in.
Following my comments above, from a long time ago, I've got rid of all the external links that just point at one commercial site. The individual companies nearly all have their own Wikipedia articles, so the links should be in those; in case some of them aren't, I'll put all the links I removed here so the information isn't "lost". - IMSoP 00:33, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I agree, this page looks like a commercial for pay-tv-services.
1) the distinction between TVRO and DTH is totally obsolete, cause the market share of non-KU-band sattelite TV-homes is almost 0%. Looks more like: DTH pay-tv = good - TVRO Free-to-air = bad.
2) Pay-TV services are totally exagerated. OK in the US most DTH-Services are Pay-TV.
But in Europe they are not. DTH is simply one possibility (like cable-tv, terrestrial antennas, or ADSL) to receive TV-Programmes. And its not True for Europe, that DTH uses proprietary receivers, most just use standard DVB-S. Even if you receive TV-Programmes via cable, you often primarily pay for the transport service not the content. In many countries there are broadcast stations regulated by public law. these are often free-to-view and often have a quite attractive programme, e.g. in UK BBC1-4, BBC World-Service or in Germany ARD and ZDF with its over 20 broadcast stations. In some countries there are dozens of free-to-air broadcast stations, that can be viewes via DTH. With DTH you can subscribe additional pay-TV-content from any Pay-TV-Service you want, somethimes single TV-Stations, sometimes big packages. OK, some Pay-TV-Services force you to use proprietary-equipment to rule out competitors, like BSkyB does.
So my point is:
This Wikipedia-article reflects only the view of US-Pay-TV-Services, but not the general nature of satellite television, which is more: You can receive anything from anywhere.
This article is overly north-american centric and makes huge assumptions about satellite systems that are only applicable in North America.
I'm going to completely rewrite the article in a few days if nothings done, this is advanced warning. -- Kiand 14:15, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
The critism as it stands is veyr poor. "slow menus" ? Totally personal. There is no reason to explain why cable systems have faster screens then satellite recievers.
Something about economics? Something about long contracts? Something about expensive upgrade-plans? Channel selection versus alternatives? Quality?
All of this is USA specific, how are other countries with regards to this?
The link to Image:Antenne-toroidale.jpg needs a caption, but I'm not sure what it's there to illustrate. -- Beland 05:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
At "get around legislation by some countries against reception of K[u]-band transmissions." say why those countries have that legislation.
Say how many MHz is each band at.
In section "Satellite television by continent and country" quite many weasel words are used, like "unquestioningly," "up to a million by some estimates" and "often heated debate". I have marked the offending section--it needs major non-POV work. -- KJRehberg 20:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
What resolution HD signal do satellite companies broadcast in their HD-TV programs? ( Emk52 01:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC))
== More on history and some links I've added some history of the evolution of satellite TV and LNBs. Also I've added the link to Steve Birkill's history (one of the key people in the creation of the DTH satellite television industry in the 1970s and 1980s.)
Some of the links need a bit of cleaning. I've deleted a linkspam for DirecTV. It has been a few years since I wrote about satellite television technology.-- Jmccormac 20:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Can a person turn a home dish into usable solar energy, like a solar panel? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.118.120.190 ( talk) 22:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC).
This comment was included in article text, so I moved it here for discussion. I think editoral comments only belong if they are commented out or indicated with templates:
Copyright violation text removed from this location, discussing growth and decline of TVRO satellite television in the United States from 1980 to today. Please rewrite this section.
Antonrojo 13:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I've cleaned up some of the external links (removed one link to an article on how satellite tv works and a link to a page on a particular class of satellites. Wikipedia is not a links directory.-- Jmccormac 18:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
"DBS systems are generally based on proprietary transport stream encoding and/or encryption requiring proprietary reception equipment."
DVB-S is an open standard. I've removed the whole paragraph. Totsugeki 09:58, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
What are we waiting for? This section is getting too long and unwieldy. Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:17, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I am unable to find Broadcasting & Cable's updates on the satellite TV legislation. The web site added a new search function. I just checked a library database which has been of no help. Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:52, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Editing urgently needed. The sections "Broadcasting centers", "Programming" and other have been copied from howstuffworks.com. Not only that it is absolutely illegal, the text is also full of errors (e.g. MPEG-2 compression is not the only one).
RE: this article version Was cleaning up some related Satellite TV articles and noticed quite a few problems. Under "Categories of usage" the article states DBS (is) also known as "Direct-To-Home". According to this reference that statement is wrong. Direct-To-Home is an overall classification for home use Satellite TV and DBS, TVRO, etc are all sub types of DTH. The redirect of Direct To Home to DBS is also wrong, "Direct To Home" should link to this article. The "Direct to Home television" section of "Categories of usage" is unreferenced and is a redundant or contradictory description of the "Direct broadcast via satellite" section, i.e. take the same term and describes it again or as something different, a third thing. There are also other cleanups I noticed like a redundant Big ugly dish article (should probably be rolled into Television receive-only) and a general poor linking and set/subset confusion with all these articles. This article seems to have evolved into a WP:SUMMARY article and should probably follow that style, i.e. this article is the overall description of the common term Satellite television and then leads the reader to all the reference sub types. Fountains of Bryn Mawr ( talk) 16:43, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I've removed content that has been scraped and cut and pasted from websites and content farms elsewhere on the web. Some of these websites are just blogs and unreliable sources (WP:RS). The history of Satellite TV may need a few paragraphs but cutting and pasting from other websites (and even changing a few words) is not how Wikipedia articles are created or developed. Some references are reliable but there's the conflation of Satellite TV with Conditional Access Systems (VideoCipher II etc) while these subjects are covered in their own articles on Wikipedia. Jmccormac ( talk) 07:51, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
The UKessays references are not reliable. One of them even cites the Wikipedia pages that it has scraped for the "essay" and it is even taking sections of the various satellite TV pages verbatim. Jmccormac ( talk) 21:34, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
8. Bibliography
(1) Satellite television, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_television
(2) Direct-broadcast satellite, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, For the Japanese communication satellite, see Broadcasting Satellite (Japanese). Website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-broadcast_satellite
(3) Television in the United Kingdom, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, "United Kingdom television" redirects here. For the digital cable and satellite television network, see UKTV. Website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_in_the_United_Kingdom
(4) DIRECT BROADCAST SATELLITE, Satellite Delivery Technology Website: http://www.museum.tv/eotvsection.php?entrycode=directbroadc
The main discussion of the technology of satellite TV receivers is a straight lift with some words changed by someone ignorant of the technology (replacing the word 'amplified' with 'increased' etc) and just churning the content. Some of it has been so badly churned that it is no longer even coherent English.
Jmccormac ( talk) 22:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Per Qxukhgiels' edit reinstate User:Sladen's change [2] (but which didn't actually restore it, I've made a follow-up edit [3] that (hopefully) does what was intended). Please review and check. — Sladen ( talk) 20:13, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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The article currently says "The downlink satellite signal, quite weak after traveling the great distance (see inverse-square law) ..."
I would guess the beams to be a Collimated beam as far as practical, and so the reduction in signal is due to attenuation and diffraction in the atmosphere, not principally inverse-square law.
Does anybody have good information on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.19.3.149 ( talk) 12:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
A lot of information is listed twice, and more information about how satellite TV in the modern era could be useful, instead of the majority of the history being from the 1980s. MightyArms ( talk) 17:05, 16 January 2023 (UTC)