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Could Ardenn quit vandalising this page and contribute something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.236.153 ( talk • contribs)
I see the trolls are back (ie: Grant Neufeld).
64.110.251.69 05:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me? What exactly have I done that constitutes trolling in your view? — GrantNeufeld 06:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
The claim is made that there was a corruption scandal, and that said corruption scandal, involving certain members of the Sask PC Caucus, affected the 1991 election. The first individual wasn't even charged until 1993. So obviously this would be impossible.
CJCurrie, it is completely innappropriate to blindly revert edits without justification. Rumour and innuendo generally do not belong in the article either, let's stick to fact, not baseless speculation.
64.110.251.69 06:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
No, I do not agree that it would be impossible. It is entirely reasonable to believe that the investigation started well before charges were laid. A citation indicating that the scandal began before 1991 would resolve thie dispute. Without one, we may have to remove that line. Ground Zero | t 12:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I've reviewed the two version that are being considered now, and believe that the aanonymous editor's edits -- for example, deleting the cited fact that Brad Wall had been a part of the PC Party -- are an attempt to modify the article to make it biased in favour of the Sask Party. I have reverted to CJCurrie's version. If there are elements of that version that are incorrect or biased, the anon editor should identify them here for discussion. From my experience, CJCurrie is very reasonable in trying to find a neutral point of view, so I believe that he will accept reasonable suggestions for changes. Ground Zero | t 12:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
The point I was making is that detailled information on Brad Wall belongs in Brad Wall, not in Saskatchewan Party. You may note, from my IP, that I have added information to both Brad Wall and John Gerich, including, but not limited to, Wall's other work for the Government of Saskatchewan in the 1980s, and of course, John Gerich's former occupation (RCMP officer), and convictions for fraud. So I am not trying to cover anything up, but rather am only trying to ensure that information is correctly and logically replaced, and not unduly repeated.
Also it defies credibility to suggest that the PC Party scandal had any effect on the 1991 election. The tories lost that election because of unpopularity, and the Fair Share Saskatchewan program of decentralization of government functions, among other reasons. Not that the 1980s government has anything whatsoever to do with the Saskatchewan Party, since the Party was founded in 1998, a full 7 years after the Devine PC's left office. The fraud scandal didn't appear in the newspapers until 1993 either, so once again, any effect on the 1991 election would have been simply impossible.
64.110.251.69 07:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I submitted that this page be semi-protected so you folks can discuss your edits reasonably. GreenJoe 17:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Could the information about the resignation of Brenda Bakken Lackey please be left in? It is complete relevant to the article given her stated issues she was having within the party. --- unsigned comment
What 'stated issues'? Do you have quotes from Ms. Baaken concerning issues within the Sask Party caucus? We cannot rely upon rumour, innuendo, or unsupported conjecture here (including editorials or commentaries). Wikipedia is a place for facts only and is not a tabloid magazine.
Even then, I'm not sure if it would even belong. I mean, there have been plenty of rumours coming out of the NDP caucus, including the dissatisfaction of Kevin Yates with Lorne Calvert, not to mention Glenn Hagel's dissappointment with his Moose Jaw running mate, Lorne Calvert, for not being appointed a Minister, but rather only a 'legislative secretary'. Of course, this 'information' is not in the NDP caucus' wiki, and all these trivial commments really don't belong in the Sask Party's article, especially when references are weak or non-existent to most claims made therein.
70.73.4.197 22:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
She stated in an interview that she was upset with being in caucus which was led by Brad Wall. The source confirms that so please quit vandalizing the page. 70.64.4.74
The source identifies her problems with her role in government, and if anything, speaks to the fatigue of being in opposition, and being bullied by government members such as Pat Atkinson. Please quit vandalizing the page and adding nonsense sources.
70.73.4.197 15:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Quoting:
This all reads like some sort of tabloid, not an encyclopedia article, and definitely needs to be addressed. More sources are also required to substantiate many claims here. (|-- UlTiMuS 17:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
You also removed cited information instead of simply editing the wording. 70.64.4.74 14:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
You (anonymous editor who keeps reverting this article) seem to be under the mistaken impression that because something is cited, it is inviolate. It is not. I attempted to clean up the tone of the article and to remove some of the WP:POV from the document. Most of the POV came from the cited articles: not from the content of the citations, which seemed appropriate and important to the article with one exception, but how they were presented. Since no cited information has been removed in these cases, only how it is presented, you have no reason to revert the article for the 3 or 4 citations I changed. If you don't like a particular change, edit to the way you want it. Don't revert the entire document when alot more was changed than a few citations. As to the one I removed, I stated my reasons above. For further clarification of why I removed it:
If you continue reverting the document without cause, I will (when I have time) be invoking the dispute resolution process.-- T. Mazzei 02:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
User Greenjoe also reverted your edits. So please do not simply state I am the only one who has reverted your edits which have removed cited sources. These sources have been discussed before and they were found to be acceptable. Please check the talk page before you remove cited information. 70.64.13.206 02:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I revert everyone's edits equally when I see an edit war. I've requested full protection for this article. WORK IT OUT. GreenJoe 05:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I can believe that some leading members would be involved with the federal Liberals but why on Earth would any members of a centre-right, conservative party like the Saskatchewan Party be involved with the federal NDP? They are further to the Left than the Saskatchewan NDP, can anybody actually produce some proof of this claim? It's located in the affiliation section. ( Canadianpunk77 00:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC))
You got it all wrong in fact the Saskatchewan NDP are further to the Left then the federal NDP. Michaelm
Why not? The Saskatchewan Party has members of all political stripes, as it is a party that cuts across all traditional partisan lines. A lot of federal NDP'ers are very upset with the policies of Lorne Calvert's provincial NDP concerning financial mismanagement and corruption and the Saskatchewan Party is an appealing party to cast one's vote for.
71.17.54.163 04:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
But the federal NDP is a social democratic party, alot further to the Left than the Saskatchewan NDP. A party which favours strong government intervention in the economy, a solid social safety net for working people (pharmacare to child care), the reversal of globalization, and the promotion of environmental interests over corporate interests. Although the Sask. Party has abandoned many of it's previous (and controversial) Far Right policies (such as large scale privatization, boot camps for young offenders, so called "work-fare", and referendums on abortion) there still a conservative party.
I mean the federal Liberal Party has a rightwing within it's ranks (take a look at Ralph Goodale, John Manley, Michael Ignatief, etc). I can see fiscally conservative minded liberals (small l-liberals) supporting a centre-right party, but New Democrats? It just doesn't make sense. That would be like a federalist in Quebec getting involved with the Saint Jean de Baptiste Society. ( Canadianpunk77 00:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC))
With the Sask. Party's newfound support for lower tuitions, treatment for crystal meth addicts, protection of crown corporations, action on drug costs, etc. Do they still see themselves as being a conservative party? ( Canadianpunk77 00:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC))
You are right about Ralph Goodale and John Manley but as for Michael Ignatief he in fact a Left-wing Liberal. But still You got it wrong fact is the federal NDP are further to the Right then the Saskatchewan NDP. Michaelm
Unless someone can show a member of the federal NDP who is affiliated with the Saskatchewan Party or a news story or some actual, you know, evidence or facts, then the sentence linking the Sask Party with the Federal NDP should be struck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.225.33.245 ( talk) 03:33, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
The original Saskatchewan parties should not be described as "left-wing" and "right-wing", because to the extent these terms were used at the time, they did not describe these parties positions, and they did not use these terms themselves. The terms "liberal" and "conservative" might be more appropriate, which were the names these parties used. -- The Four Deuces 02:50, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Not being from Saskatchewan, I am wondering if it would be possible to strengthen this article's value as a "Canadian" rather than provincial piece, i.e. if more coverage of policy and major actions was available perhaps? My feeling from the outside is that much of the rest of the country is unaware of the political scene in the province, and that with a little work this article could be valuable for those of us who take an interest in issues nationwide. While I'm not up to the task of writing it, again I am looking for more perhaps more content on platform - this article (IMHO) seems focused on tactics and history, and may not even be NPOV as-is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.167.89.139 ( talk) 13:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Check out the
Politics of Saskatchewan article for a broader context. Thats what its there for. -
Wyldkat
I removed the maintenance template as it appears the article is cited both correctly and sufficiently. Krj373* (talk), * (contrib) 20:15, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
Listen, User:Braganza this party hasn't been center since 2015, and that's generous. Especially now with Brad Wall gone, all the original Luberal party members gone, and the party in an all out embrace of right wing ideology and policy. BlewsClews ( talk) 02:56, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
National | Centre-right to right-wing | |
Québec | centre to centre-right | |
Manitoba | centre to centre-right | |
New Brunswick | centre-right | |
Ontario | centre-right | |
Prince Edward Island | centre-right | |
Alberta | centre-right to right-wing | |
Newfoundland and Labrador | centrist | |
Nova Scotia | moderate; centrist | |
Yukon | centre-irght | |
British Columbia (Conservatives) | Centre-right to Right-wing |
Braganza ( talk) 09:55, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
@Braganza Arguably, both the Sask Party and Alberta United Conservatives should drop the center-right label — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlewsClews ( talk • contribs) 02:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
The sources previousy used on this page to descibe the Sask Party as centre-right are, genereally, nearly a decade old or order. I have changed this description, with updated sources and explanation, as follows:
{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (
link)An unregistered user reverted my changes without explanation, so I put my edits back and bring this issue to the talk page, if it even is an issue.
-- Tundraski ( talk) 23:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
It looks like beyond the basics this article hasn't received a lot of attention since around 2007, which marks the beginning of an ongoing 16 year run in government for the SP. I'm going to try and put some work into it and would be happy to see other contributions.
The current section on 'origins' mostly looks out of place to me—I'm going to move a lot of that over to Politics of Saskatchewan (hopefully adding some sources, which are largely absent), and try and have this article focus more on its subject. Any other input welcome—please feel free to discuss below. Other justin ( talk) 16:53, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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Could Ardenn quit vandalising this page and contribute something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.236.153 ( talk • contribs)
I see the trolls are back (ie: Grant Neufeld).
64.110.251.69 05:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me? What exactly have I done that constitutes trolling in your view? — GrantNeufeld 06:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
The claim is made that there was a corruption scandal, and that said corruption scandal, involving certain members of the Sask PC Caucus, affected the 1991 election. The first individual wasn't even charged until 1993. So obviously this would be impossible.
CJCurrie, it is completely innappropriate to blindly revert edits without justification. Rumour and innuendo generally do not belong in the article either, let's stick to fact, not baseless speculation.
64.110.251.69 06:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
No, I do not agree that it would be impossible. It is entirely reasonable to believe that the investigation started well before charges were laid. A citation indicating that the scandal began before 1991 would resolve thie dispute. Without one, we may have to remove that line. Ground Zero | t 12:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I've reviewed the two version that are being considered now, and believe that the aanonymous editor's edits -- for example, deleting the cited fact that Brad Wall had been a part of the PC Party -- are an attempt to modify the article to make it biased in favour of the Sask Party. I have reverted to CJCurrie's version. If there are elements of that version that are incorrect or biased, the anon editor should identify them here for discussion. From my experience, CJCurrie is very reasonable in trying to find a neutral point of view, so I believe that he will accept reasonable suggestions for changes. Ground Zero | t 12:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
The point I was making is that detailled information on Brad Wall belongs in Brad Wall, not in Saskatchewan Party. You may note, from my IP, that I have added information to both Brad Wall and John Gerich, including, but not limited to, Wall's other work for the Government of Saskatchewan in the 1980s, and of course, John Gerich's former occupation (RCMP officer), and convictions for fraud. So I am not trying to cover anything up, but rather am only trying to ensure that information is correctly and logically replaced, and not unduly repeated.
Also it defies credibility to suggest that the PC Party scandal had any effect on the 1991 election. The tories lost that election because of unpopularity, and the Fair Share Saskatchewan program of decentralization of government functions, among other reasons. Not that the 1980s government has anything whatsoever to do with the Saskatchewan Party, since the Party was founded in 1998, a full 7 years after the Devine PC's left office. The fraud scandal didn't appear in the newspapers until 1993 either, so once again, any effect on the 1991 election would have been simply impossible.
64.110.251.69 07:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I submitted that this page be semi-protected so you folks can discuss your edits reasonably. GreenJoe 17:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Could the information about the resignation of Brenda Bakken Lackey please be left in? It is complete relevant to the article given her stated issues she was having within the party. --- unsigned comment
What 'stated issues'? Do you have quotes from Ms. Baaken concerning issues within the Sask Party caucus? We cannot rely upon rumour, innuendo, or unsupported conjecture here (including editorials or commentaries). Wikipedia is a place for facts only and is not a tabloid magazine.
Even then, I'm not sure if it would even belong. I mean, there have been plenty of rumours coming out of the NDP caucus, including the dissatisfaction of Kevin Yates with Lorne Calvert, not to mention Glenn Hagel's dissappointment with his Moose Jaw running mate, Lorne Calvert, for not being appointed a Minister, but rather only a 'legislative secretary'. Of course, this 'information' is not in the NDP caucus' wiki, and all these trivial commments really don't belong in the Sask Party's article, especially when references are weak or non-existent to most claims made therein.
70.73.4.197 22:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
She stated in an interview that she was upset with being in caucus which was led by Brad Wall. The source confirms that so please quit vandalizing the page. 70.64.4.74
The source identifies her problems with her role in government, and if anything, speaks to the fatigue of being in opposition, and being bullied by government members such as Pat Atkinson. Please quit vandalizing the page and adding nonsense sources.
70.73.4.197 15:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Quoting:
This all reads like some sort of tabloid, not an encyclopedia article, and definitely needs to be addressed. More sources are also required to substantiate many claims here. (|-- UlTiMuS 17:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
You also removed cited information instead of simply editing the wording. 70.64.4.74 14:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
You (anonymous editor who keeps reverting this article) seem to be under the mistaken impression that because something is cited, it is inviolate. It is not. I attempted to clean up the tone of the article and to remove some of the WP:POV from the document. Most of the POV came from the cited articles: not from the content of the citations, which seemed appropriate and important to the article with one exception, but how they were presented. Since no cited information has been removed in these cases, only how it is presented, you have no reason to revert the article for the 3 or 4 citations I changed. If you don't like a particular change, edit to the way you want it. Don't revert the entire document when alot more was changed than a few citations. As to the one I removed, I stated my reasons above. For further clarification of why I removed it:
If you continue reverting the document without cause, I will (when I have time) be invoking the dispute resolution process.-- T. Mazzei 02:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
User Greenjoe also reverted your edits. So please do not simply state I am the only one who has reverted your edits which have removed cited sources. These sources have been discussed before and they were found to be acceptable. Please check the talk page before you remove cited information. 70.64.13.206 02:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I revert everyone's edits equally when I see an edit war. I've requested full protection for this article. WORK IT OUT. GreenJoe 05:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I can believe that some leading members would be involved with the federal Liberals but why on Earth would any members of a centre-right, conservative party like the Saskatchewan Party be involved with the federal NDP? They are further to the Left than the Saskatchewan NDP, can anybody actually produce some proof of this claim? It's located in the affiliation section. ( Canadianpunk77 00:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC))
You got it all wrong in fact the Saskatchewan NDP are further to the Left then the federal NDP. Michaelm
Why not? The Saskatchewan Party has members of all political stripes, as it is a party that cuts across all traditional partisan lines. A lot of federal NDP'ers are very upset with the policies of Lorne Calvert's provincial NDP concerning financial mismanagement and corruption and the Saskatchewan Party is an appealing party to cast one's vote for.
71.17.54.163 04:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
But the federal NDP is a social democratic party, alot further to the Left than the Saskatchewan NDP. A party which favours strong government intervention in the economy, a solid social safety net for working people (pharmacare to child care), the reversal of globalization, and the promotion of environmental interests over corporate interests. Although the Sask. Party has abandoned many of it's previous (and controversial) Far Right policies (such as large scale privatization, boot camps for young offenders, so called "work-fare", and referendums on abortion) there still a conservative party.
I mean the federal Liberal Party has a rightwing within it's ranks (take a look at Ralph Goodale, John Manley, Michael Ignatief, etc). I can see fiscally conservative minded liberals (small l-liberals) supporting a centre-right party, but New Democrats? It just doesn't make sense. That would be like a federalist in Quebec getting involved with the Saint Jean de Baptiste Society. ( Canadianpunk77 00:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC))
With the Sask. Party's newfound support for lower tuitions, treatment for crystal meth addicts, protection of crown corporations, action on drug costs, etc. Do they still see themselves as being a conservative party? ( Canadianpunk77 00:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC))
You are right about Ralph Goodale and John Manley but as for Michael Ignatief he in fact a Left-wing Liberal. But still You got it wrong fact is the federal NDP are further to the Right then the Saskatchewan NDP. Michaelm
Unless someone can show a member of the federal NDP who is affiliated with the Saskatchewan Party or a news story or some actual, you know, evidence or facts, then the sentence linking the Sask Party with the Federal NDP should be struck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.225.33.245 ( talk) 03:33, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
The original Saskatchewan parties should not be described as "left-wing" and "right-wing", because to the extent these terms were used at the time, they did not describe these parties positions, and they did not use these terms themselves. The terms "liberal" and "conservative" might be more appropriate, which were the names these parties used. -- The Four Deuces 02:50, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Not being from Saskatchewan, I am wondering if it would be possible to strengthen this article's value as a "Canadian" rather than provincial piece, i.e. if more coverage of policy and major actions was available perhaps? My feeling from the outside is that much of the rest of the country is unaware of the political scene in the province, and that with a little work this article could be valuable for those of us who take an interest in issues nationwide. While I'm not up to the task of writing it, again I am looking for more perhaps more content on platform - this article (IMHO) seems focused on tactics and history, and may not even be NPOV as-is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.167.89.139 ( talk) 13:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Check out the
Politics of Saskatchewan article for a broader context. Thats what its there for. -
Wyldkat
I removed the maintenance template as it appears the article is cited both correctly and sufficiently. Krj373* (talk), * (contrib) 20:15, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
Listen, User:Braganza this party hasn't been center since 2015, and that's generous. Especially now with Brad Wall gone, all the original Luberal party members gone, and the party in an all out embrace of right wing ideology and policy. BlewsClews ( talk) 02:56, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
National | Centre-right to right-wing | |
Québec | centre to centre-right | |
Manitoba | centre to centre-right | |
New Brunswick | centre-right | |
Ontario | centre-right | |
Prince Edward Island | centre-right | |
Alberta | centre-right to right-wing | |
Newfoundland and Labrador | centrist | |
Nova Scotia | moderate; centrist | |
Yukon | centre-irght | |
British Columbia (Conservatives) | Centre-right to Right-wing |
Braganza ( talk) 09:55, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
@Braganza Arguably, both the Sask Party and Alberta United Conservatives should drop the center-right label — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlewsClews ( talk • contribs) 02:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
The sources previousy used on this page to descibe the Sask Party as centre-right are, genereally, nearly a decade old or order. I have changed this description, with updated sources and explanation, as follows:
{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (
link)An unregistered user reverted my changes without explanation, so I put my edits back and bring this issue to the talk page, if it even is an issue.
-- Tundraski ( talk) 23:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
It looks like beyond the basics this article hasn't received a lot of attention since around 2007, which marks the beginning of an ongoing 16 year run in government for the SP. I'm going to try and put some work into it and would be happy to see other contributions.
The current section on 'origins' mostly looks out of place to me—I'm going to move a lot of that over to Politics of Saskatchewan (hopefully adding some sources, which are largely absent), and try and have this article focus more on its subject. Any other input welcome—please feel free to discuss below. Other justin ( talk) 16:53, 1 November 2023 (UTC)