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I added an information page at
http://www.0am.info/ on the article. It contains some more info.
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Yes, merging sounds like a good idea — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leew ( talk • contribs) 16:44, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Sash windows are relatively high maintenance, but offer advantages in return
Can anyone tell us poor ignorant non-anglosaxons where the advantages are? I see only disadvantages: More complex, more expensive, more likely to break, more difficult to repair, and most important of all: difficult to clean! I would be glad if someone could clarify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidec~enwiki ( talk • contribs) 23:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
It would be useful to mention when sash windows ceased to be fitted in new houses in UK, USA, and other countries, and what replaced them. My guess is that in UK sash windows lasted from late 17th century (apparently invented in the 1660s according to Peter Elmer in Chant & Goodman (eds): Pre-industrial Cities and Technology, London, Routledge/Open University, 1999, page 232) until the 1920s. Probably some 1930s semi-detached houses still have them too. Why the change in fashion? Incidentally Simon's comments about their durability are surely based on the type of wood used. Even modern softwood windows could survive quite a long time with good quality wood and good maintenance. In my ex-council house built circa 1965 we have just last year replaced the original softwood casement windows. Had we looked after them better they might have lasted 50 or even 60 years. One factor in replacing them at this point was the fact that we were the only house in our square with this type of window remaining. -- PeterR 10:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Can we go back the "cleaning" comment - How would one clean the top half of the bottom sash from the inside? When the bottom sash is lifted to get one's arm out and clean, the top half would be covered by the bottom of the outside sash. Similarly, when the top sash is lowered to clean it, the bottom sash is covered. Seems to me this sentence should be removed.... Maxtypical 02:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
As buildings are bound to get more energy-efficient sash windows are a disaster in achieving that since there is always a bit of draft coming through the gaps. Why is it still so popular? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.85.73.210 ( talk) 14:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
HOW ARE WOOD MUNTINS CONSTRUCTED —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.124.224.98 ( talk) 16:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
[ Graham Hickey at Ignite Dublin 2 (youtube)] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.33.150 ( talk) 17:48, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
The window in Vermeer's painting seems to be a casement window fitted with leaded panes. Can anyone spot anything in it which is particularly characteristic of a sliding sash? This may explain the apparent inconsistencies of date with the painting and what is known about the emergence of sash windows in the late 1660s early 1670s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.40.94 ( talk) 14:26, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
What does Glaze mean in this context? Mention is made regarding a "glazed window" on top. Is the bottom window not glazed? What is it to be glazed? 99.133.156.232 ( talk) 04:45, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
An HTML comment at the very beginning of the wikitext said
If correct, this statement should be available to the reader as well as to the editor. But while both "sash" and "sashes" are used for the plural, Google count shows the regular plural favored over the irregular one by about 60/40:
Most or all of the first 100 results on each search are commercial or informational pages specifically about sash windows.
And in fact dictionaries, as well as many professional sites, favor the regular plural over the irregular one, if they mention the latter at all (boldface added):
Moving the HTML comment to an explanatory footnote ( already done), and changing it to note "sash" as an alternative plural used mostly by professionals.
-- Thnidu ( talk) 17:18, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
@ Adriand2: The refs you've added to the first and last sentences of the last paragraph are quite good, but there are still several significant statements within the paragraph that lack attribution. These include "more than 50% of all window sashes being made of vinyl in the USA as of 2017", "the plasticizer chemicals used to make vinyl sashes flexible evaporate leaving the material brittle and prone to breaking", and the sentences mentioning "weaker than wood and aluminum", "requires extra support", and "outside cladding". I'm sure that these are accurate and that you got them from reliable sources, but we need refs to those sources. -- Thnidu ( talk) 02:27, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
rm r
The paragraph that starts with "uPVC or vinyl sash windows..." in the Issues section initially equates uPVC and vinyl, and then switches to using vinyl as the description. Throughout the paragraph it confuses vinyl, PVC and uPVC. In particular, it refers to "plastic" and "plasticizer" in reference to vinyl windows. This is inaccurate. Vinyl windows are the same as uPVC. uPVC is unplasticized PVC, therefore referring to it as plastic or the use of plasticizers is misleading.
Given that a large part of this paragraph highlights weaknesses of plastics and plasticizers while describing uPVC/vinyl windows that are unplasticized, the result is that the paragraph is largely inaccurate.
Voodoomike ( talk) 13:26, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Propose merging the newly created Paned window (architecture) here, as same topic. -- Bejnar ( talk) 16:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Oppose: This makes no sense. The terms are not synonymous: sash windows and paned windows are not the same thing. See, for example, this image, and this image, both of which show paned windows which are not sash windows. Many, many other examples exist, and can be found without any effort. -- The Anome ( talk) 16:14, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Oppose Ridiculous suggestion. A sash window is a rectangular or oblong window which opens by sliding up or down by means of a rope, weight and pulley secreted in its frame. A paned window is any shape of window which is subdivided with panes glass. It can open in any direction or not at all. This sort of suggestion should not even be made as it’s time wasting. Giano (talk) 16:29, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Oppose because not all paned windows are sash windows. But honestly, this hostility toward Bejnar is both puzzling and unwarranted. Can't we just say we disagree with the suggestion and move on? I'm going to AGF that their lack of due diligence on this merger was merely a rare oversight, something that happens to even the best of us. Altamel ( talk) 18:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Oppose per The Anome. @ Bejnar: I would recommend waiting rather than nominating new articles for deletion or merger while they are being developed. This article was moved to its current name at 15:56 today, you started a merger discussion within fifteen minutes and the article is now three times as long as its first version. TSventon ( talk) 20:48, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
I’m closing this merge suggestion and will remove templates. The two are indisputably different and cannot be merged. Giano (talk) 21:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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Hi
I added an information page at
http://www.0am.info/ on the article. It contains some more info.
Moonrat506 — Preceding
undated comment added
20:48, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, merging sounds like a good idea — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leew ( talk • contribs) 16:44, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Sash windows are relatively high maintenance, but offer advantages in return
Can anyone tell us poor ignorant non-anglosaxons where the advantages are? I see only disadvantages: More complex, more expensive, more likely to break, more difficult to repair, and most important of all: difficult to clean! I would be glad if someone could clarify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidec~enwiki ( talk • contribs) 23:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
It would be useful to mention when sash windows ceased to be fitted in new houses in UK, USA, and other countries, and what replaced them. My guess is that in UK sash windows lasted from late 17th century (apparently invented in the 1660s according to Peter Elmer in Chant & Goodman (eds): Pre-industrial Cities and Technology, London, Routledge/Open University, 1999, page 232) until the 1920s. Probably some 1930s semi-detached houses still have them too. Why the change in fashion? Incidentally Simon's comments about their durability are surely based on the type of wood used. Even modern softwood windows could survive quite a long time with good quality wood and good maintenance. In my ex-council house built circa 1965 we have just last year replaced the original softwood casement windows. Had we looked after them better they might have lasted 50 or even 60 years. One factor in replacing them at this point was the fact that we were the only house in our square with this type of window remaining. -- PeterR 10:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Can we go back the "cleaning" comment - How would one clean the top half of the bottom sash from the inside? When the bottom sash is lifted to get one's arm out and clean, the top half would be covered by the bottom of the outside sash. Similarly, when the top sash is lowered to clean it, the bottom sash is covered. Seems to me this sentence should be removed.... Maxtypical 02:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
As buildings are bound to get more energy-efficient sash windows are a disaster in achieving that since there is always a bit of draft coming through the gaps. Why is it still so popular? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.85.73.210 ( talk) 14:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
HOW ARE WOOD MUNTINS CONSTRUCTED —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.124.224.98 ( talk) 16:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
[ Graham Hickey at Ignite Dublin 2 (youtube)] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.33.150 ( talk) 17:48, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
The window in Vermeer's painting seems to be a casement window fitted with leaded panes. Can anyone spot anything in it which is particularly characteristic of a sliding sash? This may explain the apparent inconsistencies of date with the painting and what is known about the emergence of sash windows in the late 1660s early 1670s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.40.94 ( talk) 14:26, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
What does Glaze mean in this context? Mention is made regarding a "glazed window" on top. Is the bottom window not glazed? What is it to be glazed? 99.133.156.232 ( talk) 04:45, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
An HTML comment at the very beginning of the wikitext said
If correct, this statement should be available to the reader as well as to the editor. But while both "sash" and "sashes" are used for the plural, Google count shows the regular plural favored over the irregular one by about 60/40:
Most or all of the first 100 results on each search are commercial or informational pages specifically about sash windows.
And in fact dictionaries, as well as many professional sites, favor the regular plural over the irregular one, if they mention the latter at all (boldface added):
Moving the HTML comment to an explanatory footnote ( already done), and changing it to note "sash" as an alternative plural used mostly by professionals.
-- Thnidu ( talk) 17:18, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
@ Adriand2: The refs you've added to the first and last sentences of the last paragraph are quite good, but there are still several significant statements within the paragraph that lack attribution. These include "more than 50% of all window sashes being made of vinyl in the USA as of 2017", "the plasticizer chemicals used to make vinyl sashes flexible evaporate leaving the material brittle and prone to breaking", and the sentences mentioning "weaker than wood and aluminum", "requires extra support", and "outside cladding". I'm sure that these are accurate and that you got them from reliable sources, but we need refs to those sources. -- Thnidu ( talk) 02:27, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
rm r
The paragraph that starts with "uPVC or vinyl sash windows..." in the Issues section initially equates uPVC and vinyl, and then switches to using vinyl as the description. Throughout the paragraph it confuses vinyl, PVC and uPVC. In particular, it refers to "plastic" and "plasticizer" in reference to vinyl windows. This is inaccurate. Vinyl windows are the same as uPVC. uPVC is unplasticized PVC, therefore referring to it as plastic or the use of plasticizers is misleading.
Given that a large part of this paragraph highlights weaknesses of plastics and plasticizers while describing uPVC/vinyl windows that are unplasticized, the result is that the paragraph is largely inaccurate.
Voodoomike ( talk) 13:26, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Propose merging the newly created Paned window (architecture) here, as same topic. -- Bejnar ( talk) 16:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Oppose: This makes no sense. The terms are not synonymous: sash windows and paned windows are not the same thing. See, for example, this image, and this image, both of which show paned windows which are not sash windows. Many, many other examples exist, and can be found without any effort. -- The Anome ( talk) 16:14, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Oppose Ridiculous suggestion. A sash window is a rectangular or oblong window which opens by sliding up or down by means of a rope, weight and pulley secreted in its frame. A paned window is any shape of window which is subdivided with panes glass. It can open in any direction or not at all. This sort of suggestion should not even be made as it’s time wasting. Giano (talk) 16:29, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Oppose because not all paned windows are sash windows. But honestly, this hostility toward Bejnar is both puzzling and unwarranted. Can't we just say we disagree with the suggestion and move on? I'm going to AGF that their lack of due diligence on this merger was merely a rare oversight, something that happens to even the best of us. Altamel ( talk) 18:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Oppose per The Anome. @ Bejnar: I would recommend waiting rather than nominating new articles for deletion or merger while they are being developed. This article was moved to its current name at 15:56 today, you started a merger discussion within fifteen minutes and the article is now three times as long as its first version. TSventon ( talk) 20:48, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
I’m closing this merge suggestion and will remove templates. The two are indisputably different and cannot be merged. Giano (talk) 21:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)