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i am writing a paper on Sarnia for a university planning class and was wondering if anyone could direct me to a website or contact number for planning officials in Sarnia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.198.108.100 ( talk • contribs) 2004-11-20T00:00:35
I find the following facts about Sarnia completely inappropriate for this article:
If there are no objections, I will remove these facts. -- Darren Lee 13:57, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
I saw this kid Keenan vandalized on here...He's my cousin oddly enough so I'll have to talk with him about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarnya ( talk • contribs) 2006-01-13T18:15:07
An anon editor recently edited this article to state that Plympton-Wyoming is the county seat of Lambton County, but both Lambton County, Ontario and List of Ontario census divisions say that Sarnia is the seat. Could somebody please provide a reference to confirm? Bearcat 02:20, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Who or what is Jen Bida and why is it important enough to be mentioned so high in the article? Acsenray 22:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
The following does not make sense: "He interviewed residents outside the local Taco Bell, The Plaza beside it, the Famous Players' Lambton 9 movie theater and at a gun show in nearby Point Edward."
The Plaza beside it, beside what Taco Bell? If so, if you are looking at the Taco Bell from the street to the left is a Bank (CBIC) and right is an Adult Movie store. FYI. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.191.2.130 ( talk • contribs) 2006-05-19T09:59:47
You may also want to include James Doohan in your list of people from Sarnia, tho he was not born in Sarnia, he was raised there and did attend school. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Doohan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.191.2.130 ( talk • contribs) 2006-05-19T10:09:36
Please note that the communities list is only for communities that are within the legal boundaries of the City of Sarnia proper. Nearby communities which are incorporated as part of other municipalities, such as Point Edward, Camlachie or the Aamjigwaning First Nation, are not to be listed as Sarnia communities. Bearcat 23:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
You may also want to keep this name up under the "People from Sarnia" section. He was only in Sarnia for his high school years, but among other things, was one of the few chosen to represent Sarnia at the World Scout Jamboree in Australia in 1987. While there, he wrote as a journalist for the Sarnia Observer filing stories on what he saw and experienced. He also was a member of the LSSAA Sr. Football team for NCIVS. He later went on to found a successful consulting company in Toronto (the "Acme Widget Company") after dropping out of Queen's University. Several years later, he returned to university and received both his BA and LLB in the same year. Since then he has been involved in the field of municipal law working on cutting edge files. Not as sexy as, say, Kim Mitchell or Platnium Blonde in terms of a whos who of Sarnia, but notable enough for this little burg.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Litig8t0r ( talk • contribs) 2007-01-19T15:20:16
This page has been getting a lot of vandalism lately. Is there any way we can try to protect it from unregistered users? Sarnya 21:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I think the list should be moved to its own page called "List of People from Sarnia" or something of the like. Either that or convert its contents into prose and integrate it into the article. -- Darren Lee 03:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I removed David Greene (director) from the list today. He is clearly notable, but I couldn't find a Sarnia connection for him. I would support re-listing his name if a reference can be found. PK T(alk) 18:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
There's absolutely no mention of any enviromental issues in Sarnia. Take a look at the picture on the article page; that is Chemical Valley in the back ground. The entire place smells like chemicals. There have been chemical spills in the St. Clair river. Interestingly, I didn't realise that the oil was pumped in from Alberta. 64.230.84.178 ( talk) 04:52, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely. No mention of the Chemical Valley health concerns what-so-ever. This is a Wikipedia page, not a tourist board.
I feel the following article should be cited, and a 'Chemical Valley' sub-entry started: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/aboriginals/health.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.17.201 ( talk) 18:46, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Here's a brief mention of Aamjiwnaang, the first nations reserve next to Sarnia that has been the foci of health problems related to Sarnia's industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.57.132.91 ( talk) 15:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Removed photo of Chemical Valley per editor order. You know, it's VERY annoying to have EVERY FREAKIN' PHOTO I upload erased for some specious reason even though I give good reasons for fair-use. Of course, THEY don't consider them good reasons, but discussing it with them is useless so it's simpler to just remove the photos and wait for them to be deleted. TheKurgan ( talk) 15:18, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
The 10:30, 31 May 2009 Alexbot version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia.-- Wing ( talk) 12:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Paul Ysebaert is actually from Corunna, not Sarnia. I grew up with him there. 69.159.61.240 ( talk) 15:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
i would like to open discussion on removing this, i have lived in Sarnia all my life and never heard anyone ever call it the Sarnia bridge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lorne852 ( talk • contribs) 09:01, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
A new online news outlet has beeen started. The Lambton Shield. www.lambtonshield.com Someone might want to consider adding it to the media section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.164.171.148 ( talk) 19:23, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Favonian ( talk) 11:10, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
– The other uses of Sarnia are another languages term for an island, and an anthem that has its own disambiguated title. Sarnia, Ontario should occupy Sarnia, perhaps with a hatnote to the island (which should discuss its national anthem). relisting with multi-move ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 19:23, 8 August 2011 (UTC) - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 20:38, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Wanted to include coat of arms of Sarnia, Ontario as well as description. Included is the aforementioned heritage of the name, which Sarnia derives, which then can be directed to the appropriate page on the Isle of Guernsey.
Copy of Coat of Arms Image Source of Sarnia Crest, Description, and Name
Removed an incomplete list of Neighborhoods. Will collect a more comprehensive list and post at a later date. TheKurgan ( talk) 15:40, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Added Culture section about music and art opportunities in Sarnia. TheKurgan ( talk) 16:19, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Added stunning shot of Sarnia from Space. TheKurgan ( talk) 00:48, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, the person who tagged this article as needing NPOV work didn't start this section as he or she was supposed to, so here we go. Living in Sarnia, I don't want the article to violate NPOV because I want the article to be of highest standard. Need help in reworking what's considered non-neutral. So please, feel free to respond with examples so we can revise them together. TheKurgan ( talk) 14:14, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
The article is coming along nicely. You probably don't need the NPOV tag, as there doesn't seem to be any opinion-based disputes going on in it. PK T(alk) 13:53, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Some stuff seems to have been moved around to places where it made no sense. Now, maybe I did it by accident in editing the page, but who knows? In any event, moved stuff back to where it belongs. TheKurgan ( talk) 16:47, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Chip123456 ( talk · contribs) 16:06, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
I have read through the article and have noticed not all paragraphs are backed up by references. To achieve GA status they need to be. The article sill be placed on hold and I will re read it again to see if there are any other things that need to be rectified. To other editors - please feel free to comment to share your views on the article. the article will be placed ON HOLD.-- Chip123456 ( talk) 16:06, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Just from a quick look:
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Mattximus ( talk) 02:36, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you and yes, I agree with your comments. -- Chip123456 ( talk) 09:13, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Some other things which need to be sorted:
TheKurgan another thing look at the last paragraph in modern history! See the problem with the ref????-- Chip123456 ( talk) 16:03, 17 April 2012 (UTC).
If possible, there could be an expansion on the neighbourhoods, as long as you can find a decent reference. -- Chip123456 ( talk) 16:54, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Some other things to improve the article:
-- Chip123456 ( talk) 17:01, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
All reviewer comments processed, updates done, citations added...with the exception noted above about the Historical Population and the fact that the Canada Census Bureau will charge me for the info! Am exhaling now...:) TheKurgan ( talk) 17:43, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Done
TheKurgan, please see
this. I thought it was just my computer but obviously not, please see mine and the administrators discussion on the Sarnia article on this thread. (after Notodden Airport discussion). --
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The problem for the above has now been rectified, kindly by administrator Redrose64. -- Chip123456 ( talk) 17:55, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Not sure if still needed...but... Moxy ( talk) 22:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
There is enough content to merit GA class, but the writing style has serious deficiencies.
Primarily, there are many sections that have too much trivia. For example (just from a quick scan of the article):
Didn't ask you to give every little thing that happened there, only a little bit of an expansion. -- Chip123456 ( talk) 06:56, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
I never asked that you put a Wal-Mart, when I said expansion of shopping I didn't mean every single shop.-- Chip123456 ( talk) 06:56, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
There are also clarity issues combined with trivialities. For example:
TheKurgan ( talk) 03:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
I think the article needs a serious copy-edit to achieve GA standards, though I don’t think it requires much more new information to be added. Apart from references (of which there are many instances).
I feel that this article should now be promoted from C-class to B-Class. I have not had time for a formal review, but I summarized my concerns above. The decision (and other recommendations) are, of course, up to the reviewer. Mattximus ( talk) 20:01, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I will read thoroughly through your concerns in due course. I have left some opinions under the ones that I have read.-- Chip123456 ( talk) 06:56, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
I've made several changes to the article, moving the Infrastructure section to the Economy heading, and instead of listing specific stores in the retail section, made it generic. Is this acceptable? TheKurgan ( talk) 14:13, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
This is hard. I agree with TheKurgan but agreed with what Mattximus has said. It would be really appreciated if some other editors can comment here and the on hold will be extended until another editor has shared their views. -- Chip123456 ( talk) 15:51, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Don't use bold. See MOS:BOLD-- Chip123456 ( talk) 06:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
If there is a new message posted on here, it is in my watch list so I can see when a new message has been posted. There is no need to make it 'stand out' as I am informed.-- Chip123456 ( talk) 17:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm still waiting for some reviews as previously said so sorry for the delay in deciding the articles status. IF I don't get anymore during this or start of next week, I think that the article may have to be rated as B-Class, but let's wait and see.-- Chip123456 ( talk) 16:19, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
I suppose so. As the reviewer I have the say of pass or fail but I want to make sure that Mattximus is OK with the improvements, and will make the status decision after they have replied to your long message. This is because if another editor feels there is a problem I must listen to them, not just myself. -- Chip123456 ( talk) 17:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
To Mattximus: Hello, again,
I'm quite sorry if I got bent out of shape when I read your comments. I was still smarting from Silverchemist's thinly veiled attack on my credibility by saying he had problems with my supposed "facts." The quotes around facts REALLY irked me. Since I've spent nearly 45 hours total on the Sarnia article and want it to be of the highest standard, I didn't like his insinuation. In any event, I shouldn't have taken it out on you and I erased my comment to you that might have been hasty and snide. I've taken a lot of your comments to heart and have revamped the article, moving things around to make sections smaller (the Name section, specifically), and codifying the Economy and Infrastructure sections. I remembered you reverted one of my edits because I didn't need sub-sub-sections, and you were right. I combined the sections again under a main heading called "Economy and Infrastructure" with simple subheadings for "Retail and Hospitality," "Transportation," and "Health Care." Since you had pointed me in the direction of Lethbridge, I took the combination idea from that page. I do respectfully disagree that the article is only a B-Class article. It may not be FA status like Lethbridge yet, but it is certainly the equal of London, Ontario's article, which is GA. Thank you, though, for all of the help in keeping me on the right track. I WANT that GA rating! TheKurgan ( talk) 23:34, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
TheKurgan is taking this far too personally. I can appreciate his/her passion for Wikipedia and thinking about an article in a possessive sense (I have fallen into that trap myself at times), but I do object to my comments (see below), being characterized as a "thinly veiled attack" on The Kurgan's credibility. I insinuated nothing about TheKurgan's contributions...I made general comments about the article, as is the purpose of a Talk page. Silverchemist ( talk) 18:44, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Done Per recommendation on the Talk:Sarnia page, I've removed all duplicate internal links except those in photo captions in order to conform to the overlinking criterion. TheKurgan ( talk) 18:11, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi! The TOC seems to be acting up on Opera, with a laptop ratio screen. Is there any way to fix the relationship between the image and the TOC box? -- Zanimum ( talk) 19:42, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
The article is looking really good and the improvements are excellent. I have an idea of what status I would like to give the article, but will leave any more ideas, until this time tomorrow, If I don't hear anything I will assume there is nothing that can be more improved and will act on anything contributed or what is not contributed for improvements. --
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talk) 18:40, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I am delighted to tell you I have passed the article early! Well done to everybody who has managed to help give it this status and thank you to editors eho have contributed on this page! -- Chip123456 ( talk) 15:35, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes, thank you to all who helped, especially Mattximus, Silverchemist, and Moxy. FA now or bust!!! TheKurgan ( talk) 19:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Congrats, I'll try to help you to FA if time permits (I'm also on a similar quest to get Greater Sudbury to GA). Again, I strongly suggest using Lethbridge as a model which, because of it's size, is the perfect comparison page. I also think you should stagger the photos a bit. I know I'm contradicting a previous editor, but I think as long as you don't sandwich text between two pictures, you can alternate left/right for a more aesthetically pleasing article. Mattximus ( talk) 02:38, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
While I applaud the efforts to improve the articles on Sarnia, I have some issues with the "facts" and how they are referenced.
The lede says that "Chemical Valley is also the reason that the World Health Organization named Sarnia the most polluted city in Canada" and references a newspaper article in The Star (I just fixed that link and reference). The newspaper article makes no mention of Chemical Valley saying only that "Sarnia, Ont., registered the highest Canadian pollution levels at 21.2. That’s pristine compared with the Iranian city of Ahwaz, which the WHO said posted pollution levels of 372."
There is also a potentially contentious statement that "Sarnia has been in decline since the late 1960s as the population ages, younger people move out of the city to other areas, and the demand for petrochemical projects lessens". Such a statement needs to be supported by some good references. The report referenced in the following sentence says nothing about Sarnia being in decline nor about demand for petrochemicals decreasing. It does project a population decline over the next decades as the population ages.
The section on Climate states that " Most of Sarnia's snowfall is lake-effect snow" and references a newspaper article about one storm in particular (which, by the way, left very little snow in Sarnia), but says nothing about most of Sarnia's snow coming from lake effects. It may be true that Lambton County gets most of its snow that way, but anyone living in Sarnia or driving on Highway 402 can attest that lake effect snow occurs considerably east of Sarnia.
The section on environment, which is now its own article Environmental impact of the chemical industry in Sarnia talks about the number of smog days in Sarnia and references a government document. If one reads the detailed document, the number of smog days mentioned in the Wikipedia article is for the whole province of Ontario, and Sarnia's smog days are the same as most of southern Ontario, apart from a few "hot spots" like Hamilton.
That Wikipedia article has a picture labeled "Aajimwnaang Resource Centre adjoining Chemical Valley, specifically TransAlta (formerly Dow)]]". The chemical plant shown is Lanxess, formerly Nova. It is NOT TransAlta and never was Dow.
I haven't looked over the entire article in such detail, but I will as time allows and will attempt to correct error and give references. Silverchemist ( talk) 03:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I've been doing some period moving in the article. Generally it's text.<ref></ref> as opposed to text<ref></ref>. That said, the ref inside the bracket is okay with me, up at the top of the article. -- Zanimum ( talk) 14:44, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
It would be appreciated if some reference to Sarnia Township as an administrative and geographical entity. I gather that at some time it was renamed the town of Clearwater, but I cannot find it on Wikipedia--and only by inference elsewhere. Sarnia Township is on a map of 1951, and then -- what? -- Oldontarian ( talk) 11:00, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
All eight Councilors are from Sarnia. Four sit on City Council and four sit on City Council and the Council of the County of Lambton. 206.132.54.76 ( talk) 04:40, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Finally found a couple of good references for including this Sarnia staple in the page as its own subheading. The article feels more complete now! There can be only one...TheKurgan ( talk) 01:59, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
WP:CITELEAD says "Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material."
The current lead is bloated with unnecessary citations for information that is repeated in the body of the article. As is the general convention, the sources should not be placed in the lead, as that is not appropriate for a summary of the article to follow. - Floydian τ ¢ 12:17, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Originally, I had couched the text of the climate paragraph to include the phrase "winters are cool." As shown by the climate data, the average temperature in January is 0 C (32 F). An author revised it to say cold. I reverted the edit because 0 C is not cold by Canadian standards, nor by northern U.S. standards. The editor's rationale was this: Latest revision as of 14:36, 28 April 2014 (edit) (undo) (thank) Jim Michael (talk | contribs) (Undid - this is a world encyclopedia. Whilst not as severely cold as many Canadian cities' winters, it is cold by world standards, with snow on the ground for weeks.)
Rather than engage in a useless edit war, I put it to the Wikipedia editing public at large. Is an average temperature of 0 C cold or cool? There can be only one...TheKurgan ( talk) 19:25, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
There can be only one...TheKurgan ( talk) 22:53, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
In the absence of any general consensus, I concede the "cold" assessment even though it doesn't coincide with Canadian norms. Should there be consent on the side of "cool" later, I shall make the edit. There can be only one...TheKurgan ( talk) 02:45, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
The archived list of mayors shows three named MacKenzie:
...but no Alexander Mackenzie. I caanot confirm that the Prime Minister was ever Mayor of Sarnia, only that he is buried there. wbm1058 ( talk) 01:23, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
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That wording seems.... odd to me. I don't see what's so overwhelming about white people. Alex of Canada ( talk) 18:06, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
There can be only one...TheKurgan ( talk) 07:47, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
@ TheKurgan: Ship tonnage is a measure of volume, not weight. It cannot be measured in tonnes, and it cannot be converted to either short or long tons. See Tonnage and Builder's Old Measurement. The size of Griffon is not known exactly; sources give 40 tuns, [12] or 45 or 60 tons [13]. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 13:02, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
I know the bookkeeper for Sarnia Bayfest personally. We were chatting about it two Sundays ago. They have turned in their charter and have liquidated all assets, and Sarnia Bayfest, as it existed before, is no more. Understandably, this most likely won't be published in the newspaper. A different group of volunteers has created Bluewater Borderfest, which is a MUCH smaller endeavor. I have plenty of links to the new festival. The Sarnia article still says that "Bayfest is planning for the future." I know this to be untrue, but I don't want to jeopardize the article's "Good" rating by posting something without a secondary source. Would a good compromise be something like "Bluewater Borderfest has taken over for Sarnia Bayfest for now and the foreseeable future?" You know, not mentioning the liquidation but still not giving false hope to the reader that Bayfest will be back as it used to be because it won't. Asking the hive mind. There can be only one...TheKurgan ( talk) 21:19, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
User:TheKurgan has added a photo and caption of a satellite photo of Sarnia. My concern is that the photo is of little relevance, and is primarily decorative. The image is 18 years old, so it is hardly as accurate as a Google satellite image (which is linked in the infobox). Adding historic artwork from notable artists is certainly beneficial, but just because a local boy flies over and takes a picture doesn't mean it is necessarily relevant, per MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE, which states "Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative". The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 ( talk) 10:35, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Well, ain't that a pip. The Weather Underground page didn't update one of the frames when I reloaded it! Grrrr. One frame said it was 100 F, and the byline said it was 98 F. Because it's impossible to know which one is right, there's no point in updating the page. There can be only one...TheKurgan ( talk) 21:37, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
User:TheKurgan has reverted attempts to remove the following from the lead section:
Michael Learned and her four Emmys have no connection to this article, and this puffery should be removed. The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:42, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
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You think you're so high and mighty, but I shall share with you a saying my mother used: You still put your pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us. Now, you are probably accusing me in your mind of being a "gatekeeper" of this article. Well, after the work I have put in over the last seven years, it is MY article. I'm the one who took a poor page of about three paragraphs and spent what is probably more than 150 hours on it, all told, MYSELF. Then, you and the other guy come along and act like God's gift to WikiPedia. The other guy even commented, "How was this ever a Good Article?" Well, if that guy had BOTHERED to read the talk page and see the EXTENSIVE documentation of the GA Approval process, he'd have seen, "How this is a Good Article." You and he probably have dozens of articles you've created and maintained, so you think telling others what to do is your birthright. I say, "Hogwash." I'm trying to be civil here, Magnolia677, but you certainly make that difficult. Oh, and sarcasm is not uncivil. Still, to placate you and he so that you leave me and my article alone, I removed the citation from the lead. My blood pressure doesn't need uncivil condescension to drive it up. Good day. There can be only one...TheKurgan ( talk) 19:54, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Removing the information about the First Nations in Sarnia and the surrounding area is the height of white supremacy when completely relevant information is reduced to a single paragraph without any context at all. I find it HIGHLY offensive that the material was removed given that members of the three tribes that formed the Three Fires Confederacy STILL LIVE IN SARNIA on their reserves. And, to be perfectly blunt, people who don't know these things shouldn't edit these things about which they do not know. End of.
There can be only one...TheKurgan (
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i am writing a paper on Sarnia for a university planning class and was wondering if anyone could direct me to a website or contact number for planning officials in Sarnia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.198.108.100 ( talk • contribs) 2004-11-20T00:00:35
I find the following facts about Sarnia completely inappropriate for this article:
If there are no objections, I will remove these facts. -- Darren Lee 13:57, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
I saw this kid Keenan vandalized on here...He's my cousin oddly enough so I'll have to talk with him about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarnya ( talk • contribs) 2006-01-13T18:15:07
An anon editor recently edited this article to state that Plympton-Wyoming is the county seat of Lambton County, but both Lambton County, Ontario and List of Ontario census divisions say that Sarnia is the seat. Could somebody please provide a reference to confirm? Bearcat 02:20, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Who or what is Jen Bida and why is it important enough to be mentioned so high in the article? Acsenray 22:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
The following does not make sense: "He interviewed residents outside the local Taco Bell, The Plaza beside it, the Famous Players' Lambton 9 movie theater and at a gun show in nearby Point Edward."
The Plaza beside it, beside what Taco Bell? If so, if you are looking at the Taco Bell from the street to the left is a Bank (CBIC) and right is an Adult Movie store. FYI. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.191.2.130 ( talk • contribs) 2006-05-19T09:59:47
You may also want to include James Doohan in your list of people from Sarnia, tho he was not born in Sarnia, he was raised there and did attend school. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Doohan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.191.2.130 ( talk • contribs) 2006-05-19T10:09:36
Please note that the communities list is only for communities that are within the legal boundaries of the City of Sarnia proper. Nearby communities which are incorporated as part of other municipalities, such as Point Edward, Camlachie or the Aamjigwaning First Nation, are not to be listed as Sarnia communities. Bearcat 23:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
You may also want to keep this name up under the "People from Sarnia" section. He was only in Sarnia for his high school years, but among other things, was one of the few chosen to represent Sarnia at the World Scout Jamboree in Australia in 1987. While there, he wrote as a journalist for the Sarnia Observer filing stories on what he saw and experienced. He also was a member of the LSSAA Sr. Football team for NCIVS. He later went on to found a successful consulting company in Toronto (the "Acme Widget Company") after dropping out of Queen's University. Several years later, he returned to university and received both his BA and LLB in the same year. Since then he has been involved in the field of municipal law working on cutting edge files. Not as sexy as, say, Kim Mitchell or Platnium Blonde in terms of a whos who of Sarnia, but notable enough for this little burg.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Litig8t0r ( talk • contribs) 2007-01-19T15:20:16
This page has been getting a lot of vandalism lately. Is there any way we can try to protect it from unregistered users? Sarnya 21:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I think the list should be moved to its own page called "List of People from Sarnia" or something of the like. Either that or convert its contents into prose and integrate it into the article. -- Darren Lee 03:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I removed David Greene (director) from the list today. He is clearly notable, but I couldn't find a Sarnia connection for him. I would support re-listing his name if a reference can be found. PK T(alk) 18:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
There's absolutely no mention of any enviromental issues in Sarnia. Take a look at the picture on the article page; that is Chemical Valley in the back ground. The entire place smells like chemicals. There have been chemical spills in the St. Clair river. Interestingly, I didn't realise that the oil was pumped in from Alberta. 64.230.84.178 ( talk) 04:52, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely. No mention of the Chemical Valley health concerns what-so-ever. This is a Wikipedia page, not a tourist board.
I feel the following article should be cited, and a 'Chemical Valley' sub-entry started: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/aboriginals/health.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.17.201 ( talk) 18:46, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Here's a brief mention of Aamjiwnaang, the first nations reserve next to Sarnia that has been the foci of health problems related to Sarnia's industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.57.132.91 ( talk) 15:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Removed photo of Chemical Valley per editor order. You know, it's VERY annoying to have EVERY FREAKIN' PHOTO I upload erased for some specious reason even though I give good reasons for fair-use. Of course, THEY don't consider them good reasons, but discussing it with them is useless so it's simpler to just remove the photos and wait for them to be deleted. TheKurgan ( talk) 15:18, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
The 10:30, 31 May 2009 Alexbot version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia.-- Wing ( talk) 12:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Paul Ysebaert is actually from Corunna, not Sarnia. I grew up with him there. 69.159.61.240 ( talk) 15:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
i would like to open discussion on removing this, i have lived in Sarnia all my life and never heard anyone ever call it the Sarnia bridge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lorne852 ( talk • contribs) 09:01, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
A new online news outlet has beeen started. The Lambton Shield. www.lambtonshield.com Someone might want to consider adding it to the media section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.164.171.148 ( talk) 19:23, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Favonian ( talk) 11:10, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
– The other uses of Sarnia are another languages term for an island, and an anthem that has its own disambiguated title. Sarnia, Ontario should occupy Sarnia, perhaps with a hatnote to the island (which should discuss its national anthem). relisting with multi-move ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 19:23, 8 August 2011 (UTC) - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 20:38, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Wanted to include coat of arms of Sarnia, Ontario as well as description. Included is the aforementioned heritage of the name, which Sarnia derives, which then can be directed to the appropriate page on the Isle of Guernsey.
Copy of Coat of Arms Image Source of Sarnia Crest, Description, and Name
Removed an incomplete list of Neighborhoods. Will collect a more comprehensive list and post at a later date. TheKurgan ( talk) 15:40, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Added Culture section about music and art opportunities in Sarnia. TheKurgan ( talk) 16:19, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Added stunning shot of Sarnia from Space. TheKurgan ( talk) 00:48, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, the person who tagged this article as needing NPOV work didn't start this section as he or she was supposed to, so here we go. Living in Sarnia, I don't want the article to violate NPOV because I want the article to be of highest standard. Need help in reworking what's considered non-neutral. So please, feel free to respond with examples so we can revise them together. TheKurgan ( talk) 14:14, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
The article is coming along nicely. You probably don't need the NPOV tag, as there doesn't seem to be any opinion-based disputes going on in it. PK T(alk) 13:53, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Some stuff seems to have been moved around to places where it made no sense. Now, maybe I did it by accident in editing the page, but who knows? In any event, moved stuff back to where it belongs. TheKurgan ( talk) 16:47, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Chip123456 ( talk · contribs) 16:06, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
I have read through the article and have noticed not all paragraphs are backed up by references. To achieve GA status they need to be. The article sill be placed on hold and I will re read it again to see if there are any other things that need to be rectified. To other editors - please feel free to comment to share your views on the article. the article will be placed ON HOLD.-- Chip123456 ( talk) 16:06, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Just from a quick look:
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Mattximus ( talk) 02:36, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you and yes, I agree with your comments. -- Chip123456 ( talk) 09:13, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Some other things which need to be sorted:
TheKurgan another thing look at the last paragraph in modern history! See the problem with the ref????-- Chip123456 ( talk) 16:03, 17 April 2012 (UTC).
If possible, there could be an expansion on the neighbourhoods, as long as you can find a decent reference. -- Chip123456 ( talk) 16:54, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Some other things to improve the article:
-- Chip123456 ( talk) 17:01, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
All reviewer comments processed, updates done, citations added...with the exception noted above about the Historical Population and the fact that the Canada Census Bureau will charge me for the info! Am exhaling now...:) TheKurgan ( talk) 17:43, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Done
TheKurgan, please see
this. I thought it was just my computer but obviously not, please see mine and the administrators discussion on the Sarnia article on this thread. (after Notodden Airport discussion). --
Chip123456 (
talk) 17:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
The problem for the above has now been rectified, kindly by administrator Redrose64. -- Chip123456 ( talk) 17:55, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Not sure if still needed...but... Moxy ( talk) 22:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
There is enough content to merit GA class, but the writing style has serious deficiencies.
Primarily, there are many sections that have too much trivia. For example (just from a quick scan of the article):
Didn't ask you to give every little thing that happened there, only a little bit of an expansion. -- Chip123456 ( talk) 06:56, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
I never asked that you put a Wal-Mart, when I said expansion of shopping I didn't mean every single shop.-- Chip123456 ( talk) 06:56, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
There are also clarity issues combined with trivialities. For example:
TheKurgan ( talk) 03:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
I think the article needs a serious copy-edit to achieve GA standards, though I don’t think it requires much more new information to be added. Apart from references (of which there are many instances).
I feel that this article should now be promoted from C-class to B-Class. I have not had time for a formal review, but I summarized my concerns above. The decision (and other recommendations) are, of course, up to the reviewer. Mattximus ( talk) 20:01, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I will read thoroughly through your concerns in due course. I have left some opinions under the ones that I have read.-- Chip123456 ( talk) 06:56, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
I've made several changes to the article, moving the Infrastructure section to the Economy heading, and instead of listing specific stores in the retail section, made it generic. Is this acceptable? TheKurgan ( talk) 14:13, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
This is hard. I agree with TheKurgan but agreed with what Mattximus has said. It would be really appreciated if some other editors can comment here and the on hold will be extended until another editor has shared their views. -- Chip123456 ( talk) 15:51, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Don't use bold. See MOS:BOLD-- Chip123456 ( talk) 06:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
If there is a new message posted on here, it is in my watch list so I can see when a new message has been posted. There is no need to make it 'stand out' as I am informed.-- Chip123456 ( talk) 17:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm still waiting for some reviews as previously said so sorry for the delay in deciding the articles status. IF I don't get anymore during this or start of next week, I think that the article may have to be rated as B-Class, but let's wait and see.-- Chip123456 ( talk) 16:19, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
I suppose so. As the reviewer I have the say of pass or fail but I want to make sure that Mattximus is OK with the improvements, and will make the status decision after they have replied to your long message. This is because if another editor feels there is a problem I must listen to them, not just myself. -- Chip123456 ( talk) 17:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
To Mattximus: Hello, again,
I'm quite sorry if I got bent out of shape when I read your comments. I was still smarting from Silverchemist's thinly veiled attack on my credibility by saying he had problems with my supposed "facts." The quotes around facts REALLY irked me. Since I've spent nearly 45 hours total on the Sarnia article and want it to be of the highest standard, I didn't like his insinuation. In any event, I shouldn't have taken it out on you and I erased my comment to you that might have been hasty and snide. I've taken a lot of your comments to heart and have revamped the article, moving things around to make sections smaller (the Name section, specifically), and codifying the Economy and Infrastructure sections. I remembered you reverted one of my edits because I didn't need sub-sub-sections, and you were right. I combined the sections again under a main heading called "Economy and Infrastructure" with simple subheadings for "Retail and Hospitality," "Transportation," and "Health Care." Since you had pointed me in the direction of Lethbridge, I took the combination idea from that page. I do respectfully disagree that the article is only a B-Class article. It may not be FA status like Lethbridge yet, but it is certainly the equal of London, Ontario's article, which is GA. Thank you, though, for all of the help in keeping me on the right track. I WANT that GA rating! TheKurgan ( talk) 23:34, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
TheKurgan is taking this far too personally. I can appreciate his/her passion for Wikipedia and thinking about an article in a possessive sense (I have fallen into that trap myself at times), but I do object to my comments (see below), being characterized as a "thinly veiled attack" on The Kurgan's credibility. I insinuated nothing about TheKurgan's contributions...I made general comments about the article, as is the purpose of a Talk page. Silverchemist ( talk) 18:44, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Done Per recommendation on the Talk:Sarnia page, I've removed all duplicate internal links except those in photo captions in order to conform to the overlinking criterion. TheKurgan ( talk) 18:11, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi! The TOC seems to be acting up on Opera, with a laptop ratio screen. Is there any way to fix the relationship between the image and the TOC box? -- Zanimum ( talk) 19:42, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
The article is looking really good and the improvements are excellent. I have an idea of what status I would like to give the article, but will leave any more ideas, until this time tomorrow, If I don't hear anything I will assume there is nothing that can be more improved and will act on anything contributed or what is not contributed for improvements. --
Chip123456 (
talk) 18:40, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I am delighted to tell you I have passed the article early! Well done to everybody who has managed to help give it this status and thank you to editors eho have contributed on this page! -- Chip123456 ( talk) 15:35, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes, thank you to all who helped, especially Mattximus, Silverchemist, and Moxy. FA now or bust!!! TheKurgan ( talk) 19:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Congrats, I'll try to help you to FA if time permits (I'm also on a similar quest to get Greater Sudbury to GA). Again, I strongly suggest using Lethbridge as a model which, because of it's size, is the perfect comparison page. I also think you should stagger the photos a bit. I know I'm contradicting a previous editor, but I think as long as you don't sandwich text between two pictures, you can alternate left/right for a more aesthetically pleasing article. Mattximus ( talk) 02:38, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
While I applaud the efforts to improve the articles on Sarnia, I have some issues with the "facts" and how they are referenced.
The lede says that "Chemical Valley is also the reason that the World Health Organization named Sarnia the most polluted city in Canada" and references a newspaper article in The Star (I just fixed that link and reference). The newspaper article makes no mention of Chemical Valley saying only that "Sarnia, Ont., registered the highest Canadian pollution levels at 21.2. That’s pristine compared with the Iranian city of Ahwaz, which the WHO said posted pollution levels of 372."
There is also a potentially contentious statement that "Sarnia has been in decline since the late 1960s as the population ages, younger people move out of the city to other areas, and the demand for petrochemical projects lessens". Such a statement needs to be supported by some good references. The report referenced in the following sentence says nothing about Sarnia being in decline nor about demand for petrochemicals decreasing. It does project a population decline over the next decades as the population ages.
The section on Climate states that " Most of Sarnia's snowfall is lake-effect snow" and references a newspaper article about one storm in particular (which, by the way, left very little snow in Sarnia), but says nothing about most of Sarnia's snow coming from lake effects. It may be true that Lambton County gets most of its snow that way, but anyone living in Sarnia or driving on Highway 402 can attest that lake effect snow occurs considerably east of Sarnia.
The section on environment, which is now its own article Environmental impact of the chemical industry in Sarnia talks about the number of smog days in Sarnia and references a government document. If one reads the detailed document, the number of smog days mentioned in the Wikipedia article is for the whole province of Ontario, and Sarnia's smog days are the same as most of southern Ontario, apart from a few "hot spots" like Hamilton.
That Wikipedia article has a picture labeled "Aajimwnaang Resource Centre adjoining Chemical Valley, specifically TransAlta (formerly Dow)]]". The chemical plant shown is Lanxess, formerly Nova. It is NOT TransAlta and never was Dow.
I haven't looked over the entire article in such detail, but I will as time allows and will attempt to correct error and give references. Silverchemist ( talk) 03:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I've been doing some period moving in the article. Generally it's text.<ref></ref> as opposed to text<ref></ref>. That said, the ref inside the bracket is okay with me, up at the top of the article. -- Zanimum ( talk) 14:44, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
It would be appreciated if some reference to Sarnia Township as an administrative and geographical entity. I gather that at some time it was renamed the town of Clearwater, but I cannot find it on Wikipedia--and only by inference elsewhere. Sarnia Township is on a map of 1951, and then -- what? -- Oldontarian ( talk) 11:00, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
All eight Councilors are from Sarnia. Four sit on City Council and four sit on City Council and the Council of the County of Lambton. 206.132.54.76 ( talk) 04:40, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Finally found a couple of good references for including this Sarnia staple in the page as its own subheading. The article feels more complete now! There can be only one...TheKurgan ( talk) 01:59, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
WP:CITELEAD says "Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material."
The current lead is bloated with unnecessary citations for information that is repeated in the body of the article. As is the general convention, the sources should not be placed in the lead, as that is not appropriate for a summary of the article to follow. - Floydian τ ¢ 12:17, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Originally, I had couched the text of the climate paragraph to include the phrase "winters are cool." As shown by the climate data, the average temperature in January is 0 C (32 F). An author revised it to say cold. I reverted the edit because 0 C is not cold by Canadian standards, nor by northern U.S. standards. The editor's rationale was this: Latest revision as of 14:36, 28 April 2014 (edit) (undo) (thank) Jim Michael (talk | contribs) (Undid - this is a world encyclopedia. Whilst not as severely cold as many Canadian cities' winters, it is cold by world standards, with snow on the ground for weeks.)
Rather than engage in a useless edit war, I put it to the Wikipedia editing public at large. Is an average temperature of 0 C cold or cool? There can be only one...TheKurgan ( talk) 19:25, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
There can be only one...TheKurgan ( talk) 22:53, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
In the absence of any general consensus, I concede the "cold" assessment even though it doesn't coincide with Canadian norms. Should there be consent on the side of "cool" later, I shall make the edit. There can be only one...TheKurgan ( talk) 02:45, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
The archived list of mayors shows three named MacKenzie:
...but no Alexander Mackenzie. I caanot confirm that the Prime Minister was ever Mayor of Sarnia, only that he is buried there. wbm1058 ( talk) 01:23, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
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That wording seems.... odd to me. I don't see what's so overwhelming about white people. Alex of Canada ( talk) 18:06, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
There can be only one...TheKurgan ( talk) 07:47, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
@ TheKurgan: Ship tonnage is a measure of volume, not weight. It cannot be measured in tonnes, and it cannot be converted to either short or long tons. See Tonnage and Builder's Old Measurement. The size of Griffon is not known exactly; sources give 40 tuns, [12] or 45 or 60 tons [13]. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 13:02, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
I know the bookkeeper for Sarnia Bayfest personally. We were chatting about it two Sundays ago. They have turned in their charter and have liquidated all assets, and Sarnia Bayfest, as it existed before, is no more. Understandably, this most likely won't be published in the newspaper. A different group of volunteers has created Bluewater Borderfest, which is a MUCH smaller endeavor. I have plenty of links to the new festival. The Sarnia article still says that "Bayfest is planning for the future." I know this to be untrue, but I don't want to jeopardize the article's "Good" rating by posting something without a secondary source. Would a good compromise be something like "Bluewater Borderfest has taken over for Sarnia Bayfest for now and the foreseeable future?" You know, not mentioning the liquidation but still not giving false hope to the reader that Bayfest will be back as it used to be because it won't. Asking the hive mind. There can be only one...TheKurgan ( talk) 21:19, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
User:TheKurgan has added a photo and caption of a satellite photo of Sarnia. My concern is that the photo is of little relevance, and is primarily decorative. The image is 18 years old, so it is hardly as accurate as a Google satellite image (which is linked in the infobox). Adding historic artwork from notable artists is certainly beneficial, but just because a local boy flies over and takes a picture doesn't mean it is necessarily relevant, per MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE, which states "Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative". The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 ( talk) 10:35, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Well, ain't that a pip. The Weather Underground page didn't update one of the frames when I reloaded it! Grrrr. One frame said it was 100 F, and the byline said it was 98 F. Because it's impossible to know which one is right, there's no point in updating the page. There can be only one...TheKurgan ( talk) 21:37, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
User:TheKurgan has reverted attempts to remove the following from the lead section:
Michael Learned and her four Emmys have no connection to this article, and this puffery should be removed. The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:42, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
References
You think you're so high and mighty, but I shall share with you a saying my mother used: You still put your pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us. Now, you are probably accusing me in your mind of being a "gatekeeper" of this article. Well, after the work I have put in over the last seven years, it is MY article. I'm the one who took a poor page of about three paragraphs and spent what is probably more than 150 hours on it, all told, MYSELF. Then, you and the other guy come along and act like God's gift to WikiPedia. The other guy even commented, "How was this ever a Good Article?" Well, if that guy had BOTHERED to read the talk page and see the EXTENSIVE documentation of the GA Approval process, he'd have seen, "How this is a Good Article." You and he probably have dozens of articles you've created and maintained, so you think telling others what to do is your birthright. I say, "Hogwash." I'm trying to be civil here, Magnolia677, but you certainly make that difficult. Oh, and sarcasm is not uncivil. Still, to placate you and he so that you leave me and my article alone, I removed the citation from the lead. My blood pressure doesn't need uncivil condescension to drive it up. Good day. There can be only one...TheKurgan ( talk) 19:54, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Removing the information about the First Nations in Sarnia and the surrounding area is the height of white supremacy when completely relevant information is reduced to a single paragraph without any context at all. I find it HIGHLY offensive that the material was removed given that members of the three tribes that formed the Three Fires Confederacy STILL LIVE IN SARNIA on their reserves. And, to be perfectly blunt, people who don't know these things shouldn't edit these things about which they do not know. End of.
There can be only one...TheKurgan (
talk) 03:58, 4 May 2022 (UTC)