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I've noticed there's been some back and forth with at least one editor, 192.251.134.5 ( talk), removing references to manga on the grounds that manga cannot be produced from a non-Japanese citizen (or publisher?). It's been reverted by another editor and myself, but 192.251.134.5 seems to feel strongly about the matter, citing a sentence from the manga article lede, "Manga [...] are comics created in Japan, or by Japanese creators in the Japanese language, conforming to a style developed in Japan in the late 19th century." While Mayhew's work conforms to the style mentioned, I find the nationality-based No_true_Scotsman applied here troubling, the manga article itself might categorize Mayhew's work as localized manga, 192.251.134.5 seems insistent that the article be removed from any Anime/Manga series and must refer to the subject's work only as "comics."
192.251.134.5, your edits are in good faith and I understand the desire to remain technically accurate over what might seem a contentiously applied label, but I would also like to ensure that the sources cited for the Mayhew article reflect the content itself. The article in the periodical Applied Arts refers to the subject's work as manga, as well as receiving recognition at various anime and manga conventions as such, with other sources in the article supporting the label. This is enough, in my opinion per WP:RS to revert the change, but in the meantime, to avoid any confusion and in the interest of avoiding an edit war, I'm changing the references where appropriate to the English-language manga article. But I still feel that the original text, or a modification to link to localized manga, would be the best outcome once this is resolved. I reserve the right to be wrong and to change my mind if necessary. Nmillerche ( talk) 22:14, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
71.183.247.44 Please review WP guidelines for deletion.. PROD You don't just delete the entire text of an article. Just for your information, just because a page is primary completed by one person doesn't mean that the subject is not notable or that the two know each other. Cap020570 ( talk) 01:43, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I checked the guidelines. They are: "Reversion or removal of unencyclopedic material, or of edits covered under the biographies of living persons policy.
Some material—sometimes even factually correct material—does not belong on Wikipedia, and removing it is not vandalism. Check to make sure that the removal was in line with Wikipedia standards, before restoring it or reporting its removal as vandalism."
This article very clearly does not meet the standard for notability. In addition to the repeated links to the subject's own materials, the lack of any evidence of notability in the manga community, the lack of awards, and the single author nature of the article, there is other deceptive, over-inflated material. The subject is noted as a TED fellow, even though she never gave a TED talk and there's no public evidence of anything she actually did as a TED fellow; clearly that does not meet or even help meet the standard of notability required by Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.247.44 ( talk) 01:56, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
She is very much a TED Fellow - http://fellows.ted.com/profiles/sara-mayhew — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.225.28 ( talk) 22:41, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Please review WP:Notability I believe that this page follows the WP guidelines. Cap020570 ( talk) 02:06, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Is Sara Mayhew related to the actor Peter Mayhew? If so, that might be something that should be added to the article (sourced, obviously).- Schnurrbart ( talk) 15:05, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Just how does this subject meet the notability guidelines? Viriditas ( talk) 04:09, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
It appears this person is no longer active and can no longer verify actually being a TED fellow. Furthermore, her personal page has no content circa 2020. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.103.51.160 ( talk) 22:49, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
The link for the alleged TED Fellow is also down. The majority TED speaking guests don't have their own personal (promo) page. Given the history with this article which is tons of promo and a push from skeptics for notability, the move for deletion seems appropriate. Given the lack of feedback so far, I'll wait prior to notifying upper management to formally delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.103.51.160 ( talk) 22:58, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
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![]() | A fact from Sara Mayhew appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 9 February 2013 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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I've noticed there's been some back and forth with at least one editor, 192.251.134.5 ( talk), removing references to manga on the grounds that manga cannot be produced from a non-Japanese citizen (or publisher?). It's been reverted by another editor and myself, but 192.251.134.5 seems to feel strongly about the matter, citing a sentence from the manga article lede, "Manga [...] are comics created in Japan, or by Japanese creators in the Japanese language, conforming to a style developed in Japan in the late 19th century." While Mayhew's work conforms to the style mentioned, I find the nationality-based No_true_Scotsman applied here troubling, the manga article itself might categorize Mayhew's work as localized manga, 192.251.134.5 seems insistent that the article be removed from any Anime/Manga series and must refer to the subject's work only as "comics."
192.251.134.5, your edits are in good faith and I understand the desire to remain technically accurate over what might seem a contentiously applied label, but I would also like to ensure that the sources cited for the Mayhew article reflect the content itself. The article in the periodical Applied Arts refers to the subject's work as manga, as well as receiving recognition at various anime and manga conventions as such, with other sources in the article supporting the label. This is enough, in my opinion per WP:RS to revert the change, but in the meantime, to avoid any confusion and in the interest of avoiding an edit war, I'm changing the references where appropriate to the English-language manga article. But I still feel that the original text, or a modification to link to localized manga, would be the best outcome once this is resolved. I reserve the right to be wrong and to change my mind if necessary. Nmillerche ( talk) 22:14, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
71.183.247.44 Please review WP guidelines for deletion.. PROD You don't just delete the entire text of an article. Just for your information, just because a page is primary completed by one person doesn't mean that the subject is not notable or that the two know each other. Cap020570 ( talk) 01:43, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I checked the guidelines. They are: "Reversion or removal of unencyclopedic material, or of edits covered under the biographies of living persons policy.
Some material—sometimes even factually correct material—does not belong on Wikipedia, and removing it is not vandalism. Check to make sure that the removal was in line with Wikipedia standards, before restoring it or reporting its removal as vandalism."
This article very clearly does not meet the standard for notability. In addition to the repeated links to the subject's own materials, the lack of any evidence of notability in the manga community, the lack of awards, and the single author nature of the article, there is other deceptive, over-inflated material. The subject is noted as a TED fellow, even though she never gave a TED talk and there's no public evidence of anything she actually did as a TED fellow; clearly that does not meet or even help meet the standard of notability required by Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.247.44 ( talk) 01:56, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
She is very much a TED Fellow - http://fellows.ted.com/profiles/sara-mayhew — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.225.28 ( talk) 22:41, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Please review WP:Notability I believe that this page follows the WP guidelines. Cap020570 ( talk) 02:06, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Is Sara Mayhew related to the actor Peter Mayhew? If so, that might be something that should be added to the article (sourced, obviously).- Schnurrbart ( talk) 15:05, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Just how does this subject meet the notability guidelines? Viriditas ( talk) 04:09, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
It appears this person is no longer active and can no longer verify actually being a TED fellow. Furthermore, her personal page has no content circa 2020. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.103.51.160 ( talk) 22:49, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
The link for the alleged TED Fellow is also down. The majority TED speaking guests don't have their own personal (promo) page. Given the history with this article which is tons of promo and a push from skeptics for notability, the move for deletion seems appropriate. Given the lack of feedback so far, I'll wait prior to notifying upper management to formally delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.103.51.160 ( talk) 22:58, 6 October 2021 (UTC)