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I deleted the link to Image:Saoirse in premiere of Atonement.jpg bewcause that image belongs to Getty Images according to the image metadata. Nankai ( talk) 09:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
There should be more information about her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.248.237.143 ( talk) 20:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
She is an American born actress, but this doesn't mean she holds American citizenship and therefore it is unnecessary to say she is "an American-born Irish actress" it is misleading because she is Irish and in no way an American having lived the majority of her life in Ireland born to two Irish parents. It is of course expanded upon in her personal and in the side info box that she was born in New York. There is no need to state this three times on the same page unless she actually refers to herself as American-born Irish we are adding superfluous details. Robnubis ( talk) 15:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
QUOTE:"She is an American born actress, but this doesn't mean she holds American citizenship"
Yes, it does mean exactly that; she holds American citizenship. American citizenship was bestowed upon her by virtue of being born within the United States, and no actions of her parents can negate or nullify this. She herself can renounce her American citizenship when she reaches the legal age to do so, until when and if that may happen she is an American citizen by birth under the legal concept of Jus Soli and American citizenship law are quite clear on this.( 75.69.241.91 ( talk) 17:31, 24 January 2010 (UTC))
Quote:" it is misleading because she is Irish and in no way an American having lived the majority of her life in Ireland born to two Irish parents"
The only one being misleading is you. You do not know what you are talking about. How is someone who has American citizenship "no way American"??? You should really educate yourself before you engage in a debate. In this case you are totally ignorant of the specifics of American citizenship laws. Your comments are based on errors, and assumptions on your part and should really not be part of this debate.( 75.69.241.91 ( talk) 17:36, 24 January 2010 (UTC))
Actually in this argument you are ignorant too, of Irish law. She is automatically an Irish citizen since she has Irish parents. Irish Nationality Law. So what this comes down to is what she identifies as and she does not identify herself as American. Her nationality is Irish, this does not mean her rights to citizenship (which she has in both the US and Ireland) but being of Irish descent. But guess what? You know nothing about how wikipedia works when deciding a persons nationality please read this: [1] and I QUOTE:
"In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable."
Since she has a right to both Irish and US citizenship, this applies. She became notable while living in Ireland where she is a citizen (not to mention Irish by descent). Anyway this matter was resolved and your side of the argument already lost. Why do you even engage in these arguments when you have little to no understanding of how wikipedia works? Please educate yourself. -- Robnubis ( talk) 18:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I came her from the WP:RFC/BIO. I'd just like to comment that I feel having "American-born Irish actress" or similar in the intro makes sense for a biographical article (similar to Mel Gibson or Nicole Kidman) for the same reason as it's in the Infobox (and of course it's redundant—it's a summary). It's not a question of referring to her as an Irish-American actress (since as you point out, she identifies Irish and has lived mostly in Ireland), but of having a quick overview of the entire article. VernoWhitney ( talk) 22:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Quote:"Actually in this argument you are ignorant too, of Irish law. She is automatically an Irish citizen since she has Irish parents. Irish Nationality Law"
Really? Well, that is totally irrelevant! When did I state that she was not an Irish citizen by virtue of birth? Her Irish citizenship does not cancel, negate or supersede her American citizenship; she is a legal citizen of both nations equally. I wasn't denying that she was an Irish citizen, I was simply stating that she is a American citizen by birth, and no action he parents take can negate that. The only action that can be taken that would eliminate her American citizenship would be her revoking her citizenship herself, and she will not able to take that action until she is 18, so it is factually accurate to call her an 'American citizen', but I also stated that to call her 'American' would be a very convoluted stretch, given that she was, in essence, an American citizen by accident. She was born while her parents were in America, so that her father can work, and she has lived most of her life in Ireland. The bottom line is that if she was in trouble in a foreign nation, and required assistance, she has every right to evoke her American citizenship.
Another point is that she is still, by definition, a child, so at what age does Wikipedia factor in her "self identification"? She's 15, what if she was 10? or 12? or 6? When do we start considering someones "self identification"? I am not saying that we should not consider her self identification, my question is what is the cut off? There is some gray area here.
I am actually in agreement that she should be categorized as Irish, as she can not make a choice about retaining her American citizenship at this point, so common sense would seem to say that she should remain categorized as solely Irish.
However, when she reaches the age of 18 and beyond and takes no action whatsoever to revoke her American citizenship, and in fact uses her citizenship status to easily enter the country, and make film or stage appearances without having to submit to the adversities Irish citizens must deal with in 1) Securing a temporary Visa in order to work in the US, 2) Bypassing Actor's Equity rules regarding the casting of non American talent in major stage presentations, then it must logically follow that she is utilizing the convenience of American citizenship through choice, and at that point her designation should be reasonably changed to Irish American. If she decides to use her American citizenship when it suits her, she can't be seriously defined as solely identifying herself as 'Irish', regardless of her words. At this point, I would say she should remain defined as Irish.
As for some of you chortling about the guy losing his argument, we should all know by know that these things can change and be reverted by Wikipedia very swiftly.( 75.69.241.91 ( talk) 01:42, 7 February 2010 (UTC))
Can I just highlight the inconsistency with Wiki. The page on Johanna Konta is refusing to define her as 'Australian born' or 'Australian-British' on the basis that it is 'not pertinent to her notability' as defined by the wiki rules on such matters. Therefore defining Saoirse Ronan as Irish-American on the basis she was born there but moved when she was 3 is a little tenuous to say the least and not 'pertinent'. Look at this example about Daniel Day Lewis:
Sir Daniel Michael Blake Day-Lewis (born 29 April 1957) is an English actor.[2] He holds both British and Irish citizenship.
Now, who decided he was English or Welsh or Scottish rather than British?
Another example:
Lennox Claudius Lewis, CM, CBE (born 2 September 1965) is a retired boxer and the last undisputed world heavyweight champion. He holds dual British and Canadian citizenship
Another:
Cary Grant (born Archibald Alexander Leach; January 18, 1904 – November 29, 1986) was an English actor who became an American citizen in 1942
Really? Still an 'English' actor 44 years later?
Even Americans regards her as Irish:
http://irishamerica.com/2016/01/saoirse-ronan-and-stephen-colbert-talk-irish-accents/ http://www.seattletimes.com/entertainment/movies/ireland-is-a-nation-of-leavers-an-interview-with-saoirse-ronan/
I am sure the list goes on. So where is the consistency? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.166.101 ( talk) 15:36, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
The article is talking about a technical classification, used for the purposes of that award, it's not actually saying she "became British", as the IP is trying to insert. If we determine that this is notable enough for the article, a much better explanation needs to be given. Also, I accidentally clicked "rollback" instead of "undo" when I was looking at the history. If anyone has a problem with that, I'll self-revert, and then use undo and provide an edit summary. Unit Anode 05:35, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
According to United States law, a person born in the U.S. is automatically a U.S. citizen. She was raised in Ireland, yes, but she is American by birth. In order to be considered Irish, she would have had to been born in Ireland. If anyone wants to continue to dispute this then please contact an admin for mediation. RyanGFilm ( talk) 03:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
How about you two compromise and just call her Irish-American??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.178.82 ( talk) 18:03, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes, she is an American citizen, that is not in serious dispute, however given that she is a minor and her citizenship was due entirely to her parents being in America at the time of her birth, and that she can not renounce her citizenship until she is eighteen, I don't think she should be categorized as American. Again, when she reaches eighteen and nineteen, and has taken no tangible action to renounce her American citizenship, at that point she is making a choice and should be re-classified as an American citizen. At that point she would be able to make a choice about this, and there would not be much of an argument if she calls herself 'Irish' but chooses to remain a citizen. Right now it's more of a tachnicality given that neither the girl, nor her parents, can take any action to renounce her American citizenship. RyanG may be going overboard a little bit, but he is essentially correct about her citizenship status, I just do not feel that the classification should be forced on her until she is legally able to renounce or confirm her citizenship. At this point she has no choice.(
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Without quoting Wikipedia policies at length (which might actually be a help to RyanGFilm) she is Irish with American citizenship. The intro is currently correct as referring to her as Irish. Zarcadia ( talk) 00:22, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
"How about you two compromise and just call her Irish-American???" - Absolutely no way is she Irish-American, she was born in the US and moved to Ireland so any compromise would be American-Irish. Zarcadia ( talk) 00:52, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
This is as logical as calling Emma Watson French because she was born in France. Saoirse was born in America to IRISH parents and then moved back to Ireland. Shes Irish not American. The same as how Emma Watson was born in France to English parents and then moved back to England. THE END. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.222.9 ( talk) 06:24, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
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There have been many edits on this page concerning the actress's nationality. She was born in the U.S. which makes her a born U.S. Citizen, however she was raised in Ireland. This has caused dispute as to whether she's American, or Irish. RyanGFilm ( talk) 00:33, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
You are totally incorrect. She would automatically be an American citizen upon birth, and no actions of her parents would be sufficient to negate this. At the age of 18, she would be able to renounce her citizenship.( 75.69.241.91 ( talk) 06:24, 24 January 2010 (UTC))
Educating RyanGFilm on policyYou seem fond of quoting "policy" that isn't actually policy. The closest I can come for your odd reference above, follows. It's the only thing I could find that might remotely resemble what you claim about "policy" above. I have highlighted portions that perhaps you should note:
Since there's no doubt how she identifies her own nationality, and it's neither self-serving, nor is the article primarily based on such sources, please desist from the absurd claim that you have "policy" on your side. You don't. Unit Anode 06:27, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
In terms of the policy I stated that said that the subjects are not reliable sources, an editor had directed me to that policy a while ago and it must have changed. My apologies for not double checking that. RyanGFilm ( talk) 10:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm irish, have both Irish parents, go to school in Ireland and state that I am Irish, but I just HAPPEN to be born in London <countless Irish people have been born abroad, patricularly since the 70's>, I am still 100% Irish and have an Irish citizenship but not an English one, or can I claim to be English <nor do I want to>. This seems to be a case of one person, RyanGFilm, being too stubborn and closed minded to admit that not every talented person alive is American. And I dont really know why I bothered getting into this, but if all we have to do all day is sit at our computers getting into petty arguements with people we dont know, then were all rather sad. - KugelsackIstSoInZisSeazon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.197.90 ( talk) 19:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC) P.S. when she accepts her award for best actress, she'll surely mention how shes Irish. - KugelsackIstSoInZisSeazon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.197.90 ( talk) 19:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Don't forget about ThemFromSpace. He pointed out the same policy as I did. And instead of just saying that I'm wrong, why don't you actually prove it? I have stated policy which states that the nation of birth needs to be included in the first paragraph if it is relevant to her notability. It is since she is notable due to making American movies. RyanGFilm ( talk) 02:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, it's me again (yay), she actually got her first acting break as Rhiannon Geraghty in the Irish television series The Clinic, on RTE, the Irish broadcaster. Ryan, were both stubborn people, but when theres one of you againsed all of us- like in this arguement, just let it GO! Besides, about the film thing, the only American film thats made her arguably famous is City Of Ember, and that was filmed in Ireland. And I'm sure if the girl was to know about us sad computer nerds arguing passionately about some small detail about her life on the web, she'd be worried. There are so many other things to be doing! - KugelsackIstSoInZisSeazon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.197.90 ( talk) 03:15, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I'm not Kuge though, it's "Kugelsack Ist So In Zis Seazon", I just saw Bruno and loved the way he spoke! And why isn't Peter Jackson on your favourite directors list?! I cant wait for Toy story 3 either! I'd better shut up before a whistleblower stings me for improper use of talk pages or something. P.S. Saoirse Ronan is IRISH! -- 86.41.197.90 ( talk) 22:29, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
QUOTE:"Simply being born in a country doesn't make you "American." She self-identifies as Irish." Actually, you are quite wrong. Being born in the USA automatically makes her an American citizen, and only she, upon reaching the age of 18, can renounce her American citizenship, so technically he would be correct to categorize her as such until when and if she were to renounce her American citizenship. However, given that her family was in the US working, and had no plans on residing there permanently, as well as self identification as being 'Irish', I would leave it as Irish. She is an American citizen, but I think in most aspects she is not culturally American. In the case of Nicole Kidman, she choose to invoke her American citizenship in order to easily gain work and residence here without any impediment, which would be considered publicly identifying as American. This was also the case with Bruce Lee, and Wales born Timothy Dalton . Eamon De Valera would be defined as American, due to the fact that his American citizenship was one of the major reasons he was not executed with Michael Collins and the bunch. I would conclude that she has identified as Irish, and her American birth was almost an accident, she is still a minor, and I would not identify her as American until when and if she takes steps to relocate or use her American citizenship in some tangible and public way.( 75.69.241.91 ( talk) 06:20, 24 January 2010 (UTC)) United States nationality law is unusual in that it confers automatic nationality on any individuals born in the country without their request or consent until the age of 18. Note that the Manual of Style policy states: "In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national" (my emphasis). The case of an immigrant family, whose members live in a country for a brief period of time and then return to the country of origin of the parents during the child's infancy, is certainly not a normal case. If there is a source currently not cited that outlines Ronan's sense of American nationality, this would change the situation. AtSwimTwoBirds ( talk) 02:43, 27 January 2010 (UTC) |
Can I conclude therefore that under the law suggested if a cat has kittens in the oven they must be cookies 109.154.41.195 ( talk) 20:52, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
A note to RyanGFilm: moving other people's comments -- when repeatedly asked not to do so -- is completely unacceptable. Unit Anode 01:47, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
What a pickle. We give /ˈsiːərʃə/ ("SEE-er-sha"), but then provide a reference (The Telegraph) that actually writes it as "Sir-sha". Meanwhile, the The Guardian quotes her as saying "You actually say it 'Sairsha'... But you can also say it Sersha, or Seersha – both are OK."
I'm changing it to /ˈsɛərʃə/ ("SAIR-sha") on the basis of The Guardian quote. No doubt it will be changed again at some point, but please provide appropriate sources. Lfh ( talk) 15:35, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
All are acceptable really. It just depends on regional accent as to why it pronounced differently. Hammertime2009 ( talk) 02:58, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
If Saoirse herself says "You actually say it 'Sairsha'", then why is SEER-shə there? Someone insists on something "OK" or "acceptable" (according to Hammertime2009) for the pronunciation. It shouldn’t be how others might pronounce it. Who cares? I think how she says her own name should be what is used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.73.64.142 ( talk) 16:51, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Saoirse Ronan was on Jimmy Kimmel Live! two days ago. He addressed her as Sersha (Sir-sha) and asked if that was the correct pronounciation to which she replied: "Yes, that's perfect." I think an edit is in order. -- 91.89.231.229 ( talk) 22:07, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
The reason that the ‘ee’ ([iː]) pronunciation is supported by people is that that is how you actually pronounce ‘ao(i)’ in Irish (Standard Irish, that is, so it’s more than just “acceptable”). An ‘ay’ ([eː]) occurs alternatively in some positions in Munster Irish. As for the English pronunciation of the name, I’ve heard all kinds of things. Good thing she herself doesn’t seem to mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.64.73.175 ( talk) 22:09, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
I would suggest the inclusion of Saoirse Ronan's name in Irish, which is Saoirse Úna Ní Rónáin. This has also been done in other articles about Irish people, such as Roddy Doyle. This is the format which has been used for the Roddy Doyle article:
Roddy Doyle (Irish: Ruaidhrí Ó Dúill; born 8 May 1958 in Dublin) is an Irish novelist, dramatist and screenwriter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ancatmara ( talk • contribs) 15:13, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
There is no mention of her second middle name "Clodagh" but she might have changed that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.166.190 ( talk) 00:47, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
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<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.rte.ie/ten/2012/0922/ronans.html|title=Saoirse Ronan wins Maureen O'Hara Award|work=RTÉ Ten|publisher=RTÉ|date=22 September 2012|accessdate=22 September 2012}}</ref> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.105.176 ( talk • contribs) 22 September 2012
She's an American born Irish actress. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.71.10 ( talk) 16:10, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
In this sentence:
Does that mean that she was one of the youngest actresses ever to receive nominations for all of them collectively, or each one individually?
I won't check back here but I encourage anyone who knows the answer to resolve the ambiguity. Thanks! 67.188.10.67 ( talk) 13:59, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Although the article Actor and Actor#Terminology is ambiguous, basically since the 1950s and 1960s, actor or actress can be used for a female actor (though most awards have stuck with "actress"). See, for example, this piece on The Guardian's Style Guide. Ronan herself, however, refers to herself as an actor. Reference 1: "So I'm glad I'm only really starting now," she says firmly. "Because it means I can be seen as an actor as opposed to a child actor." Reference 2: Interviewer: "Well, it does seem like you are, to paraphrase Daisy, "taking risks and stepping outside of your comfort zone." Ronan: "Yeah, I hope so. You know, when you take risks as an actor, I think the default thing for a lot of people is to do something kind of racy, or really out there." It would seem reasonable, therefore, to refer to her as such in this article. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 16:36, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the one example, but I repeat once more, the Helen Mirren article is that way because consensus was established long ago, and that's what would have to be done here. (Btw, MOS:GNL is talking about avoiding the generic he, which I personally disagree with.) -- Musdan77 ( talk) 15:48, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
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The issue has once again come up (e.g., see the section "American-born Irish actress" above) about how we label Ronan in the lead sentence. I'm trying to avoid an edit war (though I understand User:Sir Joseph and I are both assuming and editing in good faith). According to my experience and knowledge, Irish-American generally refers (at least in the United States) to American citizens who have Irish ancestry but not citizenship; obviously, Ronan wouldn't fall under this definition. American-Irish presumably then refers to Irish citizens who have American ancestry but not citizenship; this doesn't work then either (yet someone has interestingly put Ronan's image on the page Americans in Ireland). The truth is that Ronan is a dual citizen (Irish AND American), with her upbringing taking place vastly more in Ireland; however, my attempted happy-medium description of her being "American-born, Irish-raised" was reverted in favor of "Irish-American" again (with only raw links given for sources). Can we please have more voices to determine some kind of consensus on this? Thanks! Wolfdog ( talk) 17:45, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Born to Irish parents in America, raised in Ireland. "American-born Irish actor" works. (She uses the gender neutral term "actor" herself, a la Helen Mirren). We can include her dual citizenship later in the article. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 09:52, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
What about either American-Irish, which I guess is different than Irish-American which Wolfdog pointed out might mean different things. Or, Saoirse is an Irish and American actor....? Sir Joseph (talk) 19:33, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
@ JJMC89: and @ Crash Underride:, it seems like you may want to get in on this conversation. Wolfdog ( talk) 18:16, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Irish-American != Irish and American. Per Wolfdog's comment of 6 September, using "Irish-American" is incorrect and will confuse or mislead readers. "Irish and American" is clear. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 11:35, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
Just to note, Torah28 has been bloked for two weeks following this sock-puppet investigation and edit warring on this issue. User Kates87 blocked indefinitely. I suspect it's a little late/unnecessary at this point to ask for an SPI of other single-issue contributors. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 08:35, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Can i get some clarification on why she is classified as American when she was raised in Ireland to Irish parents and spent no time in America apart from being born there. Does American really need to go in the opening sentence. There are numerous interviews in which she only classifies her nationality as Irish. Her citizenship will obviously be both because of her birthright but why would American go in the opening sentence when she is not in fact American and has zero American roots or any connection to the country apart from being born there. Stuv3 ( talk) 03:34, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
It's a pathetic misappropriation to call her American. Not so surprising for overzealous Wikipedia editors to make their own facts. 91.10.26.220 ( talk) 15:36, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Should this be changed to Irish actress who also obtains American citizenship as she is not American, and only holds birthright citizenship, born and raised in Ireland to Irish parents and lives there today. It is just stupidity and defaming to classify her as American as she has stated she is not on numerous occasions, but has always said she has citizenship. Just stubborn editors trying to get their way when a consensus could be agreed on to remove American yet they won't budge. How is she American? Will honestly never understand. Stuv3 ( talk) 14:42, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Could somebody please take a look at the disruptive edits made by Torah28? He has been previously blocked for his disruptions to this page. Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 13:44, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
Torah, stop removing a mixed review of Ronan's film with deliberately misleading edit summaries. -- Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 14:25, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
the main page states a couple of times that she won the Golden Globe for Best Actress. There are actually 2 Golden Globes Best Actress awards given for acting - one for Comedy/Musical and one for Drama. Shouldn't this difference be accounted for by saying she won the Golden Globe for Best Actress in a Comedy/Musical? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrrich7 ( talk • contribs) 03:42, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Torah, please explain this. Why is mentioning a magazine appearance for an already well-established actress important? What is said in the interview profile holds far more value. Also, you are removing the date parameter from the reference with your reverts. -- Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 20:46, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
46.7.77.74 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) you do not once explain your edits here, but revert a million times. Stop it and explain yourself. You chose not to explain your previous reverts, but now explain why "In July 2018, Calvin Klein announced that Ronan would be the face of their new fragrance, named Women." is better than "Also that year, she became the face of Calvin Klein's new fragrance, named Women"? Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 18:23, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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Change her age to 26 as of today! 68.2.178.33 ( talk) 15:17, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
This reference from The Times is used to source this statement, "As of January 2018, she resides in Greystones, County Wicklow, Ireland". Please explain your reasoning as to why this should be removed or a "better" source is needed, Nivari. Per WP:STATUSQUO you should let the text be as is, when there is disagreement, and instead of edit-warring, gain consensus for your change. Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 17:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Well, she did live in the US until she was 3, and in Ireland since. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.56.79 ( talk) 09:06, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
She also clearly took advantage of her American citizenship in order to seek film roles in the US. Why anyone would post a question mark on the title is baffling. She's clearly asserted her U.S. citizenship. It isn't a matter of dispute. ( Sellpink ( talk) 13:49, 1 January 2019 (UTC))
Bruce Willis was born in Germany and moved to the USA when he was 2. Mila Kunis was born in Ukraine and moved to the USA when she was 7. They are both classified as "American" on Wikipedia. By the same logic, Ronan should be classified as "Irish". Wikipedia is clearly displaying bias towards the USA and I believe it would enhance the websites credibility to classify Ronan as "Irish" while fully acknowledging her American birth and her American citizenship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.238.190 ( talk) 21:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
I dont think it's an american bias, I believe it to be anti irish by pro brit editors. If you look at pierce brosnan who has gained american citizenship, he is listed as irish/american, you cannot change this to "irish" without getting a ban, look then at emily blunt who also received american citizenship, there is a warning not to edit hers to english/american, it must remain "english" or else you get a ban. This page on saoirse Ronan and for example other irish actors such as jack reynor and michael Fassbender are listed as irish/american, irish/american and irish/german respectively. But if you look further you will see that the likes of millie bobby brown, who was born and raised in spain, is listed as "english" and emma watson, who was born and raised in france, is listed as "english", any edit to englsih/Spanish or english/French will gain you a ban. Editing pierce brosnan, saoirse Ronan, jack reynor or Michael fassbender to "irish" will gain you a ban. C.S. Lewis would roll over in his grave if he found out he was listed as "british" here, reading his wikipedia page will tell you this, yet even if you were to edit him as being "northern irish" you will gain yourself a ban. I used to think there was a set of rules that was followed here but clearly not. So the rule seems to be "if they're irish add it in, if they're english keep it out" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.233.45.196 ( talk) 04:45, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
No. She is not "Irish full stop." Factual assertions are not based on emotional proclamations and jingoism. Your comments are suited for a fan forum and not for an encyclopedic entry. Her parents being Irish is entirely irrelevant. Whether she could "walk and talk" (and incidentally, I would surmise she could do both by the age of three) is not an argument of any sort. She was born an American citizen, she has asserted her American citizenship in order to work continually in the US and she has taken no overt action, at any point, to renounce her citizenship. Your comparison to Emma Watson makes no sense whatsoever as the bestowing of birthright citizenship is not in play in France. In summary, you don't make one logical point in your diatribe. She is an American citizen and should be categorized as such. The fact that you resort to personal insult in the opening sentence of your argument speaks volumes. Your hurt feelings do not trump facts Steven. Ronan is an Irish and American citizen. There is no debate here. The facts are clear and unquestionable. (
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Ronan was briefly educated in FCJ Secondary School in Bunclody, Co. Wexford.
https://m.independent.ie/regionals/newrossstandard/news/wexford-gets-red-carpet-27479370.html
https://www.rte.ie/archives/2018/0117/933935-saoirse-ronan-oscar-nominee/
https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/6011975
https://ww.issuu.us/slaneynews/docs/sn_issuu_108/17
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Encyclopædia Britannica describes Ronan as an Irish-American. I believe this is a strong enough source to base off of, as I don't see any sources describe her as Irish and American. The last time this was discussed thoroughly was in a consensus that occurred over 3 years ago (overdue for a more recent consensus IMHP), though none of the editors who were involved based their arguments on any sources calling her Irish and American. We're supposed to base our statements on sources, yet none of them support that, whereas now there is a strong reliable source referring to her as Irish-American. I have gone ahead and changed it to this, though if any other editors disagree, please do chime in here. Film Enthusiast talk 16:02, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Previous editors decided on Irish and American. For what it’s worth she said "technically yes [she is American] as well, I was born in New York." in her Wired interview after the previous Irish question. Trillfendi ( talk) 18:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
So shall we go with American-born Irish? Doesn't seem like anyone is against using that option. If not, then the next step will be opening up an RFC. • Film Enthusiast ✉ 20:45, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
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In the "Accolades and achievements" it says 'Atonement (2001)" which should be 'Atonement (2007)"
Thank you! Friels ( talk) 07:38, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
The Shepherdess (1889) could have been a double if she were not of a totally different period in time. -- 93.201.161.159 ( talk) 01:17, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please remove the section about saiorse's boyfriend performing cunnilingus on her that a vile creep added 7 minutes ago. 24.116.182.211 ( talk) 18:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
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In the Personal Life section change Northern England to Scotland.
Ronan spent much of 2020 and 2021 in Edinburgh where Jack Lowden owned an apartment. They continue to return regularly to Scotland where Jack’s family reside. There is no evidence to support the claim that she spends much of her time in Northern England. She divides her time between Dublin, London and Scotland 2A01:4B00:F41D:B300:C874:CBC5:452A:E21B ( talk) 16:06, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Having now achieved the level of fame where public transport is a no-go, she opts to live as quietly as possible between Dublin, London, and the north of England, with her long-term boyfriend Jack Lowden, another Scottish actor.ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 16:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Says 2021 revival of Macbeth was in the West End - it was actually at the Almeida Theatre in London which is not part of the West End DubrowAlert ( talk) 00:00, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
The Irish language IPA transcription given for Saoirse is [ˈsˠiːɾʲʃə] with a slender r this should be changed to [ˈsˠiːɾˠʃə] with a broad r. 2A01:B340:83:2B44:4C27:50A5:D76C:696B ( talk) 00:30, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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The Irish language IPA transcription given for Saoirse is Irish: [ˈsˠiːɾʲʃə…] with a slender r this should be changed to Irish: [ˈsˠiːɾˠʃə…] with a broad r. 2001:BB6:B84C:CF00:4C7C:784E:56DF:B8DF ( talk) 15:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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The phonetic interpretation of the name is not quite right. Sur-sha is a needless compromise made by many, including Ms Ronan. Sayir-sha or see-your-sha (quickly pronounced) would be closer albeit not perfect phonetic reflections.
Source - native Irish speaker with superfluous accreditation from the University of Galway, Ireland (formerly NUIG). But my fluent lingual understanding rather than my arbitrary qualification is the real source. 189.174.219.102 ( talk) 00:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
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I deleted the link to Image:Saoirse in premiere of Atonement.jpg bewcause that image belongs to Getty Images according to the image metadata. Nankai ( talk) 09:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
There should be more information about her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.248.237.143 ( talk) 20:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
She is an American born actress, but this doesn't mean she holds American citizenship and therefore it is unnecessary to say she is "an American-born Irish actress" it is misleading because she is Irish and in no way an American having lived the majority of her life in Ireland born to two Irish parents. It is of course expanded upon in her personal and in the side info box that she was born in New York. There is no need to state this three times on the same page unless she actually refers to herself as American-born Irish we are adding superfluous details. Robnubis ( talk) 15:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
QUOTE:"She is an American born actress, but this doesn't mean she holds American citizenship"
Yes, it does mean exactly that; she holds American citizenship. American citizenship was bestowed upon her by virtue of being born within the United States, and no actions of her parents can negate or nullify this. She herself can renounce her American citizenship when she reaches the legal age to do so, until when and if that may happen she is an American citizen by birth under the legal concept of Jus Soli and American citizenship law are quite clear on this.( 75.69.241.91 ( talk) 17:31, 24 January 2010 (UTC))
Quote:" it is misleading because she is Irish and in no way an American having lived the majority of her life in Ireland born to two Irish parents"
The only one being misleading is you. You do not know what you are talking about. How is someone who has American citizenship "no way American"??? You should really educate yourself before you engage in a debate. In this case you are totally ignorant of the specifics of American citizenship laws. Your comments are based on errors, and assumptions on your part and should really not be part of this debate.( 75.69.241.91 ( talk) 17:36, 24 January 2010 (UTC))
Actually in this argument you are ignorant too, of Irish law. She is automatically an Irish citizen since she has Irish parents. Irish Nationality Law. So what this comes down to is what she identifies as and she does not identify herself as American. Her nationality is Irish, this does not mean her rights to citizenship (which she has in both the US and Ireland) but being of Irish descent. But guess what? You know nothing about how wikipedia works when deciding a persons nationality please read this: [1] and I QUOTE:
"In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable."
Since she has a right to both Irish and US citizenship, this applies. She became notable while living in Ireland where she is a citizen (not to mention Irish by descent). Anyway this matter was resolved and your side of the argument already lost. Why do you even engage in these arguments when you have little to no understanding of how wikipedia works? Please educate yourself. -- Robnubis ( talk) 18:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I came her from the WP:RFC/BIO. I'd just like to comment that I feel having "American-born Irish actress" or similar in the intro makes sense for a biographical article (similar to Mel Gibson or Nicole Kidman) for the same reason as it's in the Infobox (and of course it's redundant—it's a summary). It's not a question of referring to her as an Irish-American actress (since as you point out, she identifies Irish and has lived mostly in Ireland), but of having a quick overview of the entire article. VernoWhitney ( talk) 22:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Quote:"Actually in this argument you are ignorant too, of Irish law. She is automatically an Irish citizen since she has Irish parents. Irish Nationality Law"
Really? Well, that is totally irrelevant! When did I state that she was not an Irish citizen by virtue of birth? Her Irish citizenship does not cancel, negate or supersede her American citizenship; she is a legal citizen of both nations equally. I wasn't denying that she was an Irish citizen, I was simply stating that she is a American citizen by birth, and no action he parents take can negate that. The only action that can be taken that would eliminate her American citizenship would be her revoking her citizenship herself, and she will not able to take that action until she is 18, so it is factually accurate to call her an 'American citizen', but I also stated that to call her 'American' would be a very convoluted stretch, given that she was, in essence, an American citizen by accident. She was born while her parents were in America, so that her father can work, and she has lived most of her life in Ireland. The bottom line is that if she was in trouble in a foreign nation, and required assistance, she has every right to evoke her American citizenship.
Another point is that she is still, by definition, a child, so at what age does Wikipedia factor in her "self identification"? She's 15, what if she was 10? or 12? or 6? When do we start considering someones "self identification"? I am not saying that we should not consider her self identification, my question is what is the cut off? There is some gray area here.
I am actually in agreement that she should be categorized as Irish, as she can not make a choice about retaining her American citizenship at this point, so common sense would seem to say that she should remain categorized as solely Irish.
However, when she reaches the age of 18 and beyond and takes no action whatsoever to revoke her American citizenship, and in fact uses her citizenship status to easily enter the country, and make film or stage appearances without having to submit to the adversities Irish citizens must deal with in 1) Securing a temporary Visa in order to work in the US, 2) Bypassing Actor's Equity rules regarding the casting of non American talent in major stage presentations, then it must logically follow that she is utilizing the convenience of American citizenship through choice, and at that point her designation should be reasonably changed to Irish American. If she decides to use her American citizenship when it suits her, she can't be seriously defined as solely identifying herself as 'Irish', regardless of her words. At this point, I would say she should remain defined as Irish.
As for some of you chortling about the guy losing his argument, we should all know by know that these things can change and be reverted by Wikipedia very swiftly.( 75.69.241.91 ( talk) 01:42, 7 February 2010 (UTC))
Can I just highlight the inconsistency with Wiki. The page on Johanna Konta is refusing to define her as 'Australian born' or 'Australian-British' on the basis that it is 'not pertinent to her notability' as defined by the wiki rules on such matters. Therefore defining Saoirse Ronan as Irish-American on the basis she was born there but moved when she was 3 is a little tenuous to say the least and not 'pertinent'. Look at this example about Daniel Day Lewis:
Sir Daniel Michael Blake Day-Lewis (born 29 April 1957) is an English actor.[2] He holds both British and Irish citizenship.
Now, who decided he was English or Welsh or Scottish rather than British?
Another example:
Lennox Claudius Lewis, CM, CBE (born 2 September 1965) is a retired boxer and the last undisputed world heavyweight champion. He holds dual British and Canadian citizenship
Another:
Cary Grant (born Archibald Alexander Leach; January 18, 1904 – November 29, 1986) was an English actor who became an American citizen in 1942
Really? Still an 'English' actor 44 years later?
Even Americans regards her as Irish:
http://irishamerica.com/2016/01/saoirse-ronan-and-stephen-colbert-talk-irish-accents/ http://www.seattletimes.com/entertainment/movies/ireland-is-a-nation-of-leavers-an-interview-with-saoirse-ronan/
I am sure the list goes on. So where is the consistency? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.166.101 ( talk) 15:36, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
The article is talking about a technical classification, used for the purposes of that award, it's not actually saying she "became British", as the IP is trying to insert. If we determine that this is notable enough for the article, a much better explanation needs to be given. Also, I accidentally clicked "rollback" instead of "undo" when I was looking at the history. If anyone has a problem with that, I'll self-revert, and then use undo and provide an edit summary. Unit Anode 05:35, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
According to United States law, a person born in the U.S. is automatically a U.S. citizen. She was raised in Ireland, yes, but she is American by birth. In order to be considered Irish, she would have had to been born in Ireland. If anyone wants to continue to dispute this then please contact an admin for mediation. RyanGFilm ( talk) 03:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
How about you two compromise and just call her Irish-American??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.178.82 ( talk) 18:03, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes, she is an American citizen, that is not in serious dispute, however given that she is a minor and her citizenship was due entirely to her parents being in America at the time of her birth, and that she can not renounce her citizenship until she is eighteen, I don't think she should be categorized as American. Again, when she reaches eighteen and nineteen, and has taken no tangible action to renounce her American citizenship, at that point she is making a choice and should be re-classified as an American citizen. At that point she would be able to make a choice about this, and there would not be much of an argument if she calls herself 'Irish' but chooses to remain a citizen. Right now it's more of a tachnicality given that neither the girl, nor her parents, can take any action to renounce her American citizenship. RyanG may be going overboard a little bit, but he is essentially correct about her citizenship status, I just do not feel that the classification should be forced on her until she is legally able to renounce or confirm her citizenship. At this point she has no choice.(
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Without quoting Wikipedia policies at length (which might actually be a help to RyanGFilm) she is Irish with American citizenship. The intro is currently correct as referring to her as Irish. Zarcadia ( talk) 00:22, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
"How about you two compromise and just call her Irish-American???" - Absolutely no way is she Irish-American, she was born in the US and moved to Ireland so any compromise would be American-Irish. Zarcadia ( talk) 00:52, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
This is as logical as calling Emma Watson French because she was born in France. Saoirse was born in America to IRISH parents and then moved back to Ireland. Shes Irish not American. The same as how Emma Watson was born in France to English parents and then moved back to England. THE END. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.222.9 ( talk) 06:24, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
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There have been many edits on this page concerning the actress's nationality. She was born in the U.S. which makes her a born U.S. Citizen, however she was raised in Ireland. This has caused dispute as to whether she's American, or Irish. RyanGFilm ( talk) 00:33, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
You are totally incorrect. She would automatically be an American citizen upon birth, and no actions of her parents would be sufficient to negate this. At the age of 18, she would be able to renounce her citizenship.( 75.69.241.91 ( talk) 06:24, 24 January 2010 (UTC))
Educating RyanGFilm on policyYou seem fond of quoting "policy" that isn't actually policy. The closest I can come for your odd reference above, follows. It's the only thing I could find that might remotely resemble what you claim about "policy" above. I have highlighted portions that perhaps you should note:
Since there's no doubt how she identifies her own nationality, and it's neither self-serving, nor is the article primarily based on such sources, please desist from the absurd claim that you have "policy" on your side. You don't. Unit Anode 06:27, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
In terms of the policy I stated that said that the subjects are not reliable sources, an editor had directed me to that policy a while ago and it must have changed. My apologies for not double checking that. RyanGFilm ( talk) 10:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm irish, have both Irish parents, go to school in Ireland and state that I am Irish, but I just HAPPEN to be born in London <countless Irish people have been born abroad, patricularly since the 70's>, I am still 100% Irish and have an Irish citizenship but not an English one, or can I claim to be English <nor do I want to>. This seems to be a case of one person, RyanGFilm, being too stubborn and closed minded to admit that not every talented person alive is American. And I dont really know why I bothered getting into this, but if all we have to do all day is sit at our computers getting into petty arguements with people we dont know, then were all rather sad. - KugelsackIstSoInZisSeazon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.197.90 ( talk) 19:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC) P.S. when she accepts her award for best actress, she'll surely mention how shes Irish. - KugelsackIstSoInZisSeazon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.197.90 ( talk) 19:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Don't forget about ThemFromSpace. He pointed out the same policy as I did. And instead of just saying that I'm wrong, why don't you actually prove it? I have stated policy which states that the nation of birth needs to be included in the first paragraph if it is relevant to her notability. It is since she is notable due to making American movies. RyanGFilm ( talk) 02:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, it's me again (yay), she actually got her first acting break as Rhiannon Geraghty in the Irish television series The Clinic, on RTE, the Irish broadcaster. Ryan, were both stubborn people, but when theres one of you againsed all of us- like in this arguement, just let it GO! Besides, about the film thing, the only American film thats made her arguably famous is City Of Ember, and that was filmed in Ireland. And I'm sure if the girl was to know about us sad computer nerds arguing passionately about some small detail about her life on the web, she'd be worried. There are so many other things to be doing! - KugelsackIstSoInZisSeazon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.197.90 ( talk) 03:15, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I'm not Kuge though, it's "Kugelsack Ist So In Zis Seazon", I just saw Bruno and loved the way he spoke! And why isn't Peter Jackson on your favourite directors list?! I cant wait for Toy story 3 either! I'd better shut up before a whistleblower stings me for improper use of talk pages or something. P.S. Saoirse Ronan is IRISH! -- 86.41.197.90 ( talk) 22:29, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
QUOTE:"Simply being born in a country doesn't make you "American." She self-identifies as Irish." Actually, you are quite wrong. Being born in the USA automatically makes her an American citizen, and only she, upon reaching the age of 18, can renounce her American citizenship, so technically he would be correct to categorize her as such until when and if she were to renounce her American citizenship. However, given that her family was in the US working, and had no plans on residing there permanently, as well as self identification as being 'Irish', I would leave it as Irish. She is an American citizen, but I think in most aspects she is not culturally American. In the case of Nicole Kidman, she choose to invoke her American citizenship in order to easily gain work and residence here without any impediment, which would be considered publicly identifying as American. This was also the case with Bruce Lee, and Wales born Timothy Dalton . Eamon De Valera would be defined as American, due to the fact that his American citizenship was one of the major reasons he was not executed with Michael Collins and the bunch. I would conclude that she has identified as Irish, and her American birth was almost an accident, she is still a minor, and I would not identify her as American until when and if she takes steps to relocate or use her American citizenship in some tangible and public way.( 75.69.241.91 ( talk) 06:20, 24 January 2010 (UTC)) United States nationality law is unusual in that it confers automatic nationality on any individuals born in the country without their request or consent until the age of 18. Note that the Manual of Style policy states: "In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national" (my emphasis). The case of an immigrant family, whose members live in a country for a brief period of time and then return to the country of origin of the parents during the child's infancy, is certainly not a normal case. If there is a source currently not cited that outlines Ronan's sense of American nationality, this would change the situation. AtSwimTwoBirds ( talk) 02:43, 27 January 2010 (UTC) |
Can I conclude therefore that under the law suggested if a cat has kittens in the oven they must be cookies 109.154.41.195 ( talk) 20:52, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
A note to RyanGFilm: moving other people's comments -- when repeatedly asked not to do so -- is completely unacceptable. Unit Anode 01:47, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
What a pickle. We give /ˈsiːərʃə/ ("SEE-er-sha"), but then provide a reference (The Telegraph) that actually writes it as "Sir-sha". Meanwhile, the The Guardian quotes her as saying "You actually say it 'Sairsha'... But you can also say it Sersha, or Seersha – both are OK."
I'm changing it to /ˈsɛərʃə/ ("SAIR-sha") on the basis of The Guardian quote. No doubt it will be changed again at some point, but please provide appropriate sources. Lfh ( talk) 15:35, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
All are acceptable really. It just depends on regional accent as to why it pronounced differently. Hammertime2009 ( talk) 02:58, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
If Saoirse herself says "You actually say it 'Sairsha'", then why is SEER-shə there? Someone insists on something "OK" or "acceptable" (according to Hammertime2009) for the pronunciation. It shouldn’t be how others might pronounce it. Who cares? I think how she says her own name should be what is used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.73.64.142 ( talk) 16:51, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Saoirse Ronan was on Jimmy Kimmel Live! two days ago. He addressed her as Sersha (Sir-sha) and asked if that was the correct pronounciation to which she replied: "Yes, that's perfect." I think an edit is in order. -- 91.89.231.229 ( talk) 22:07, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
The reason that the ‘ee’ ([iː]) pronunciation is supported by people is that that is how you actually pronounce ‘ao(i)’ in Irish (Standard Irish, that is, so it’s more than just “acceptable”). An ‘ay’ ([eː]) occurs alternatively in some positions in Munster Irish. As for the English pronunciation of the name, I’ve heard all kinds of things. Good thing she herself doesn’t seem to mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.64.73.175 ( talk) 22:09, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
I would suggest the inclusion of Saoirse Ronan's name in Irish, which is Saoirse Úna Ní Rónáin. This has also been done in other articles about Irish people, such as Roddy Doyle. This is the format which has been used for the Roddy Doyle article:
Roddy Doyle (Irish: Ruaidhrí Ó Dúill; born 8 May 1958 in Dublin) is an Irish novelist, dramatist and screenwriter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ancatmara ( talk • contribs) 15:13, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
There is no mention of her second middle name "Clodagh" but she might have changed that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.166.190 ( talk) 00:47, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
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<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.rte.ie/ten/2012/0922/ronans.html|title=Saoirse Ronan wins Maureen O'Hara Award|work=RTÉ Ten|publisher=RTÉ|date=22 September 2012|accessdate=22 September 2012}}</ref> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.105.176 ( talk • contribs) 22 September 2012
She's an American born Irish actress. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.71.10 ( talk) 16:10, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
In this sentence:
Does that mean that she was one of the youngest actresses ever to receive nominations for all of them collectively, or each one individually?
I won't check back here but I encourage anyone who knows the answer to resolve the ambiguity. Thanks! 67.188.10.67 ( talk) 13:59, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Although the article Actor and Actor#Terminology is ambiguous, basically since the 1950s and 1960s, actor or actress can be used for a female actor (though most awards have stuck with "actress"). See, for example, this piece on The Guardian's Style Guide. Ronan herself, however, refers to herself as an actor. Reference 1: "So I'm glad I'm only really starting now," she says firmly. "Because it means I can be seen as an actor as opposed to a child actor." Reference 2: Interviewer: "Well, it does seem like you are, to paraphrase Daisy, "taking risks and stepping outside of your comfort zone." Ronan: "Yeah, I hope so. You know, when you take risks as an actor, I think the default thing for a lot of people is to do something kind of racy, or really out there." It would seem reasonable, therefore, to refer to her as such in this article. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 16:36, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the one example, but I repeat once more, the Helen Mirren article is that way because consensus was established long ago, and that's what would have to be done here. (Btw, MOS:GNL is talking about avoiding the generic he, which I personally disagree with.) -- Musdan77 ( talk) 15:48, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
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The issue has once again come up (e.g., see the section "American-born Irish actress" above) about how we label Ronan in the lead sentence. I'm trying to avoid an edit war (though I understand User:Sir Joseph and I are both assuming and editing in good faith). According to my experience and knowledge, Irish-American generally refers (at least in the United States) to American citizens who have Irish ancestry but not citizenship; obviously, Ronan wouldn't fall under this definition. American-Irish presumably then refers to Irish citizens who have American ancestry but not citizenship; this doesn't work then either (yet someone has interestingly put Ronan's image on the page Americans in Ireland). The truth is that Ronan is a dual citizen (Irish AND American), with her upbringing taking place vastly more in Ireland; however, my attempted happy-medium description of her being "American-born, Irish-raised" was reverted in favor of "Irish-American" again (with only raw links given for sources). Can we please have more voices to determine some kind of consensus on this? Thanks! Wolfdog ( talk) 17:45, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Born to Irish parents in America, raised in Ireland. "American-born Irish actor" works. (She uses the gender neutral term "actor" herself, a la Helen Mirren). We can include her dual citizenship later in the article. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 09:52, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
What about either American-Irish, which I guess is different than Irish-American which Wolfdog pointed out might mean different things. Or, Saoirse is an Irish and American actor....? Sir Joseph (talk) 19:33, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
@ JJMC89: and @ Crash Underride:, it seems like you may want to get in on this conversation. Wolfdog ( talk) 18:16, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Irish-American != Irish and American. Per Wolfdog's comment of 6 September, using "Irish-American" is incorrect and will confuse or mislead readers. "Irish and American" is clear. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 11:35, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
Just to note, Torah28 has been bloked for two weeks following this sock-puppet investigation and edit warring on this issue. User Kates87 blocked indefinitely. I suspect it's a little late/unnecessary at this point to ask for an SPI of other single-issue contributors. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 08:35, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Can i get some clarification on why she is classified as American when she was raised in Ireland to Irish parents and spent no time in America apart from being born there. Does American really need to go in the opening sentence. There are numerous interviews in which she only classifies her nationality as Irish. Her citizenship will obviously be both because of her birthright but why would American go in the opening sentence when she is not in fact American and has zero American roots or any connection to the country apart from being born there. Stuv3 ( talk) 03:34, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
It's a pathetic misappropriation to call her American. Not so surprising for overzealous Wikipedia editors to make their own facts. 91.10.26.220 ( talk) 15:36, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Should this be changed to Irish actress who also obtains American citizenship as she is not American, and only holds birthright citizenship, born and raised in Ireland to Irish parents and lives there today. It is just stupidity and defaming to classify her as American as she has stated she is not on numerous occasions, but has always said she has citizenship. Just stubborn editors trying to get their way when a consensus could be agreed on to remove American yet they won't budge. How is she American? Will honestly never understand. Stuv3 ( talk) 14:42, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Could somebody please take a look at the disruptive edits made by Torah28? He has been previously blocked for his disruptions to this page. Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 13:44, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
Torah, stop removing a mixed review of Ronan's film with deliberately misleading edit summaries. -- Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 14:25, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
the main page states a couple of times that she won the Golden Globe for Best Actress. There are actually 2 Golden Globes Best Actress awards given for acting - one for Comedy/Musical and one for Drama. Shouldn't this difference be accounted for by saying she won the Golden Globe for Best Actress in a Comedy/Musical? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrrich7 ( talk • contribs) 03:42, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Torah, please explain this. Why is mentioning a magazine appearance for an already well-established actress important? What is said in the interview profile holds far more value. Also, you are removing the date parameter from the reference with your reverts. -- Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 20:46, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
46.7.77.74 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) you do not once explain your edits here, but revert a million times. Stop it and explain yourself. You chose not to explain your previous reverts, but now explain why "In July 2018, Calvin Klein announced that Ronan would be the face of their new fragrance, named Women." is better than "Also that year, she became the face of Calvin Klein's new fragrance, named Women"? Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 18:23, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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Change her age to 26 as of today! 68.2.178.33 ( talk) 15:17, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
This reference from The Times is used to source this statement, "As of January 2018, she resides in Greystones, County Wicklow, Ireland". Please explain your reasoning as to why this should be removed or a "better" source is needed, Nivari. Per WP:STATUSQUO you should let the text be as is, when there is disagreement, and instead of edit-warring, gain consensus for your change. Krimuk2.0 ( talk) 17:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Well, she did live in the US until she was 3, and in Ireland since. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.56.79 ( talk) 09:06, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
She also clearly took advantage of her American citizenship in order to seek film roles in the US. Why anyone would post a question mark on the title is baffling. She's clearly asserted her U.S. citizenship. It isn't a matter of dispute. ( Sellpink ( talk) 13:49, 1 January 2019 (UTC))
Bruce Willis was born in Germany and moved to the USA when he was 2. Mila Kunis was born in Ukraine and moved to the USA when she was 7. They are both classified as "American" on Wikipedia. By the same logic, Ronan should be classified as "Irish". Wikipedia is clearly displaying bias towards the USA and I believe it would enhance the websites credibility to classify Ronan as "Irish" while fully acknowledging her American birth and her American citizenship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.238.190 ( talk) 21:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
I dont think it's an american bias, I believe it to be anti irish by pro brit editors. If you look at pierce brosnan who has gained american citizenship, he is listed as irish/american, you cannot change this to "irish" without getting a ban, look then at emily blunt who also received american citizenship, there is a warning not to edit hers to english/american, it must remain "english" or else you get a ban. This page on saoirse Ronan and for example other irish actors such as jack reynor and michael Fassbender are listed as irish/american, irish/american and irish/german respectively. But if you look further you will see that the likes of millie bobby brown, who was born and raised in spain, is listed as "english" and emma watson, who was born and raised in france, is listed as "english", any edit to englsih/Spanish or english/French will gain you a ban. Editing pierce brosnan, saoirse Ronan, jack reynor or Michael fassbender to "irish" will gain you a ban. C.S. Lewis would roll over in his grave if he found out he was listed as "british" here, reading his wikipedia page will tell you this, yet even if you were to edit him as being "northern irish" you will gain yourself a ban. I used to think there was a set of rules that was followed here but clearly not. So the rule seems to be "if they're irish add it in, if they're english keep it out" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.233.45.196 ( talk) 04:45, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
No. She is not "Irish full stop." Factual assertions are not based on emotional proclamations and jingoism. Your comments are suited for a fan forum and not for an encyclopedic entry. Her parents being Irish is entirely irrelevant. Whether she could "walk and talk" (and incidentally, I would surmise she could do both by the age of three) is not an argument of any sort. She was born an American citizen, she has asserted her American citizenship in order to work continually in the US and she has taken no overt action, at any point, to renounce her citizenship. Your comparison to Emma Watson makes no sense whatsoever as the bestowing of birthright citizenship is not in play in France. In summary, you don't make one logical point in your diatribe. She is an American citizen and should be categorized as such. The fact that you resort to personal insult in the opening sentence of your argument speaks volumes. Your hurt feelings do not trump facts Steven. Ronan is an Irish and American citizen. There is no debate here. The facts are clear and unquestionable. (
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Ronan was briefly educated in FCJ Secondary School in Bunclody, Co. Wexford.
https://m.independent.ie/regionals/newrossstandard/news/wexford-gets-red-carpet-27479370.html
https://www.rte.ie/archives/2018/0117/933935-saoirse-ronan-oscar-nominee/
https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/6011975
https://ww.issuu.us/slaneynews/docs/sn_issuu_108/17
Stinkynoodles123 ( talk) 16:18, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
Encyclopædia Britannica describes Ronan as an Irish-American. I believe this is a strong enough source to base off of, as I don't see any sources describe her as Irish and American. The last time this was discussed thoroughly was in a consensus that occurred over 3 years ago (overdue for a more recent consensus IMHP), though none of the editors who were involved based their arguments on any sources calling her Irish and American. We're supposed to base our statements on sources, yet none of them support that, whereas now there is a strong reliable source referring to her as Irish-American. I have gone ahead and changed it to this, though if any other editors disagree, please do chime in here. Film Enthusiast talk 16:02, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Previous editors decided on Irish and American. For what it’s worth she said "technically yes [she is American] as well, I was born in New York." in her Wired interview after the previous Irish question. Trillfendi ( talk) 18:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
So shall we go with American-born Irish? Doesn't seem like anyone is against using that option. If not, then the next step will be opening up an RFC. • Film Enthusiast ✉ 20:45, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
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L.S.,
In the "Accolades and achievements" it says 'Atonement (2001)" which should be 'Atonement (2007)"
Thank you! Friels ( talk) 07:38, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
The Shepherdess (1889) could have been a double if she were not of a totally different period in time. -- 93.201.161.159 ( talk) 01:17, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please remove the section about saiorse's boyfriend performing cunnilingus on her that a vile creep added 7 minutes ago. 24.116.182.211 ( talk) 18:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
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In the Personal Life section change Northern England to Scotland.
Ronan spent much of 2020 and 2021 in Edinburgh where Jack Lowden owned an apartment. They continue to return regularly to Scotland where Jack’s family reside. There is no evidence to support the claim that she spends much of her time in Northern England. She divides her time between Dublin, London and Scotland 2A01:4B00:F41D:B300:C874:CBC5:452A:E21B ( talk) 16:06, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Having now achieved the level of fame where public transport is a no-go, she opts to live as quietly as possible between Dublin, London, and the north of England, with her long-term boyfriend Jack Lowden, another Scottish actor.ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 16:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Says 2021 revival of Macbeth was in the West End - it was actually at the Almeida Theatre in London which is not part of the West End DubrowAlert ( talk) 00:00, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
The Irish language IPA transcription given for Saoirse is [ˈsˠiːɾʲʃə] with a slender r this should be changed to [ˈsˠiːɾˠʃə] with a broad r. 2A01:B340:83:2B44:4C27:50A5:D76C:696B ( talk) 00:30, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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The Irish language IPA transcription given for Saoirse is Irish: [ˈsˠiːɾʲʃə…] with a slender r this should be changed to Irish: [ˈsˠiːɾˠʃə…] with a broad r. 2001:BB6:B84C:CF00:4C7C:784E:56DF:B8DF ( talk) 15:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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The phonetic interpretation of the name is not quite right. Sur-sha is a needless compromise made by many, including Ms Ronan. Sayir-sha or see-your-sha (quickly pronounced) would be closer albeit not perfect phonetic reflections.
Source - native Irish speaker with superfluous accreditation from the University of Galway, Ireland (formerly NUIG). But my fluent lingual understanding rather than my arbitrary qualification is the real source. 189.174.219.102 ( talk) 00:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)