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I am an employee of Sanofi S.A., and I would like to ask for a Wikipedia volunteer's attention to the final sentence of the section Sanofi_Pasteur#Philippine_Dengue_Vaccination_Controversy. It currently states: "Since the announcement by Sanofi, at least 62 children have died, allegedly after receiving a vaccination. The victims' parents blamed the dengue vaccine for the deaths of their children." But the provided source ( Google Translate) does not say this at all. It describes parent concern about the children who died despite receiving the vaccine, but does not include any figure and does not establish a known role between the vaccine and fatalities. This is currently a matter of governmental investigation, and most news articles do not include a figure. At this time, it is irresponsible to attribute any fatalities to the vaccine. From recent reports:
I suggest to remove the sentence, or include a statement that the matter is under review, without identifying a figure. I will defer to editors judgment about what is best. Thanks for the consideration. Tlemagny ( talk) 09:26, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
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Tlemagny: You had stated in an earlier post that "This is currently a matter of governmental investigation"
which implies that there is a current investigation ongoing at the moment. But one of the statements you quoted implied that whatever investigation there was, it had come to completion: "In his 31-page dissent, Drilon said that the Senate blue ribbon committee, Finance committee and Health and Demography committee did not find scientific evidence to support the conclusion that any of the reported deaths were connected to Dengvaxia.."
The word "dissent" means "to hold or express opinions that are at variance with those officially expressed." To offer a dissent as part of a public hearing strongly suggests that three prerequisite events have already occurred:
That leaves us with two contrasting narratives: First, that the investigation is ongoing ("This is currently a matter of governmental investigation"
); second, that the investigation has run its course ("In his 31-page dissent.."
). While it may be true that the investigation is ongoing or it may be true that the investigation has ended, it cannot both be true that the investigation is ongoing and has ended. One or the other must be the case here, and your edit request does not specify which. I believe that before a discussion can take place regarding which references are to be used here, we must first determine where these references came from and when (as information processed by sources at the end of investigations are usually more enlightened than information processed at the beginning of investigations). I think what would be helpful here would be the finished reports from the so called Senate blue ribbon committee, Finance committee and Health and Demography committees. Providing these reports as well as clarifying the status of any investigations held and/or continuing to be held would be greatly appreciated.
spintendo
09:11, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
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Two instances of "is" in the lead have been changed to "was". Edit summary on one of them: "Sanofi rebranding has eliminated names of pasteur,genzyme and aventis under one name only which is sanofi."
I'm reverting on these grounds:
— Smjg ( talk) 15:08, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
the latest info is dated 2021 - and its Covid19 vaccination product is NOW (April/2023) being widely administered 147.147.180.240 ( talk) 18:14, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
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I am an employee of Sanofi S.A., and I would like to ask for a Wikipedia volunteer's attention to the final sentence of the section Sanofi_Pasteur#Philippine_Dengue_Vaccination_Controversy. It currently states: "Since the announcement by Sanofi, at least 62 children have died, allegedly after receiving a vaccination. The victims' parents blamed the dengue vaccine for the deaths of their children." But the provided source ( Google Translate) does not say this at all. It describes parent concern about the children who died despite receiving the vaccine, but does not include any figure and does not establish a known role between the vaccine and fatalities. This is currently a matter of governmental investigation, and most news articles do not include a figure. At this time, it is irresponsible to attribute any fatalities to the vaccine. From recent reports:
I suggest to remove the sentence, or include a statement that the matter is under review, without identifying a figure. I will defer to editors judgment about what is best. Thanks for the consideration. Tlemagny ( talk) 09:26, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. The reviewer would like to request the editor with a COI attempt to discuss with editors engaged in the subject-area first. |
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Tlemagny: You had stated in an earlier post that "This is currently a matter of governmental investigation"
which implies that there is a current investigation ongoing at the moment. But one of the statements you quoted implied that whatever investigation there was, it had come to completion: "In his 31-page dissent, Drilon said that the Senate blue ribbon committee, Finance committee and Health and Demography committee did not find scientific evidence to support the conclusion that any of the reported deaths were connected to Dengvaxia.."
The word "dissent" means "to hold or express opinions that are at variance with those officially expressed." To offer a dissent as part of a public hearing strongly suggests that three prerequisite events have already occurred:
That leaves us with two contrasting narratives: First, that the investigation is ongoing ("This is currently a matter of governmental investigation"
); second, that the investigation has run its course ("In his 31-page dissent.."
). While it may be true that the investigation is ongoing or it may be true that the investigation has ended, it cannot both be true that the investigation is ongoing and has ended. One or the other must be the case here, and your edit request does not specify which. I believe that before a discussion can take place regarding which references are to be used here, we must first determine where these references came from and when (as information processed by sources at the end of investigations are usually more enlightened than information processed at the beginning of investigations). I think what would be helpful here would be the finished reports from the so called Senate blue ribbon committee, Finance committee and Health and Demography committees. Providing these reports as well as clarifying the status of any investigations held and/or continuing to be held would be greatly appreciated.
spintendo
09:11, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
References
Two instances of "is" in the lead have been changed to "was". Edit summary on one of them: "Sanofi rebranding has eliminated names of pasteur,genzyme and aventis under one name only which is sanofi."
I'm reverting on these grounds:
— Smjg ( talk) 15:08, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
the latest info is dated 2021 - and its Covid19 vaccination product is NOW (April/2023) being widely administered 147.147.180.240 ( talk) 18:14, 29 April 2023 (UTC)