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Can anyone tell someone uninitiated like myself why an article about Srimanta Sankardeva is about someone (else??) called Mohapurux Srimonto Xonkordev? <KF> 15:46, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
It should have been just Saint Sankaradeva and this is the only name used in yesteryear Kamrupi scriptures. mahapursha (big man) or srimanta (handsome) were created by subsequent Assamese authors. Kurmaa ( talk) 18:12, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
For more materials on Sankaradeva, consult :
Mahapurusha Srimanta Sankaradeva, Dr Sanjib Kumar Borkakoti, Bani Mandir, MMC Bhavan, Guwahati-781003 Unique contributions of Sankaradeva in religion and culture, Dr Sanjib Kumar Borkakoti, Srimanta sankaravea Sangha, HB Road, Nagaon-782001
Please include the full verse: Kara Tala Kamala.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Devaine123 ( talk • contribs) 08:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
-> he supervised the creations of the 60mx30m woven Vrindavani vastra, that depicted the playful activities of Krishna in Vrindavana. <-
Kurmaa ( talk) 18:16, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
As I noticed the name is changed from Sankardeva to Sankaradeva by user Jrkalita, but the page title is still named as Srimanta Sankardeva. Google search result shows both name as correct. Now, what should we do with the name? Bishnu Saikia ( talk) 14:40, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
'Sankaradeva'(শংকৰদেৱ) is not, for instance, a name like 'Sankarsana' (শংকৰ্ষণ). The 'a' vowel sound is always there in the former after the ’ৰ’. Its a 'ra', mind you, not 'r' (ৰ্). Please notice the 'stroke' mark at the bottom of the character.
Therefore, 'Sankardev' is *not* correct, transliteratively speaking. That would have been correct had we written শংকৰ্দেৱ্ (again, please notice the strokes). *That* would be rendered in Latin as 'Sankardev'; For শংকৰদেৱ, therefore, the correct transliteration is Sankaradeva [ শ্ + অ = শ(Śa);ং(ṇ); ক্ + অ = ক(ka); ৰ্ + অ = ৰ(ra); দে(de); ৱ্ + অ = ৱ(va)]
Now, in pronunciation, what happens is that, as in the case of spoken Hindi which pronounces, for instance, the Sanskrit अर्जुन as 'Arjun' and not 'Arjuna', the vowel 'অ' sound is shortened so much that it is barely enunciated; therefore 'শংকৰদেৱ' appears as 'শংকৰ্দেৱ্'. But, while rendering the name in Latin (in Wikipedia and elsewhere), we must be careful to avoid mistake in transliteration.
Where the 'a (অ or अ)' is to be omitted after a consonant a stroke is added at the bottom of the Devanagari letter. That stroke is not added to any of 'Arjuna' or 'Bhima' and so these are the correct renditions in Roman script. In Hindi (wrt Sanskrit) we can also tell that final 'a' sounds are included where mantras are designated according to the number of syllables and in all cases the ' अ' is included in the number.
Therefore, considering all these factors, it is requested that the name of the Saint in the Wikipedia title as also in all other cases, be consistently applied as 'Sankaradeva'(শংকৰদেৱ) and not as 'Sankardev' ( শংকৰ্দেৱ্))) ) or 'Sankardeva' (শংকৰ্দেৱ). Past academicians like Dr Maheswar Neog, Dr SN Sarma had all written 'Sankaradeva'. The Srimanta Sankaradeva Sangha has also very correctly resolved on 'Sankaradeva' ( http://srimantasankaradevasangha.com/) and so have other institutions like Srimanta Foundation for Culture ( http://www.srimanta.net/), Srimanta Sankaradeva Kalakshetra ( http://kalakshetra-assam.gov.in/), Srimanta Sankaradeva University of Health Sciences ( http://ssuhs.in/) and others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.212.56.228 ( talk) 10:11, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
I have been using 'Sankaradeva' and would like the same here too if you all concur. Drsanjib.borkakoti ( talk) 15:45, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
I am finding it difficult to use the notes-citation split. For example, on mouse over, I get the note; but on mouseover on the mouseover, I do not get the citation. I think it prudent to keep the notes and citations together. Chaipau ( talk) 20:17, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
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The section added on Sankari dance looks original research to me. I have not seen Sattriya dance divided into Sankari and non-Sankari parts. Also, it seems to be ludicrous to name those parts created by Madhavdev as Sankari. I have deleted those parts. Chaipau ( talk) 06:07, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
You removed the book "Sukhabilāsa Barmā (2004). Bhāwāiyā: Ethnomusicological Study. Global Vision Publishing Ho. pp. 74–. ISBN 978-81-8220- 070-8. Retrieved 30 May 2013" considering it a terrible book in the article Sankardev.
Can you please state the reasons for considering the book to be terrible? Padmanlp (talk) 09:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
It is a very bad book, unreliable. Please do not use it. There are many problems with that book. Chaipau (talk) 11:11, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
It's ok- I'l not use that book; but I would like you to pinpoint some reasons at least. Please give. Padmanlp (talk) 14:29, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Chaipau, I am asking you for the second time: give me some reasons for considering the said book to be terrible. You can't simply decide which book is good and which one is bad at your wish without any reason. Give me reasons. Padmanlp ( talk) 11:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Oppose: Forum for Sankardeva Studies is a modern institution. This article is about a historical person. They cannot be merged. Chaipau ( talk) 10:47, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
This person is very important in India.' Many wicked people edit this articles wrongly so requested to lock this page. Assamese wiki ( talk) 01:32, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
An IP address keeps on changing Sankardeva's caste to 'Kalita' without any sources or verification, can anyone do something to protect this page? ComparingQuantities ( talk) 14:54, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
there is no title as shown, atleast in Assam 2409:40E6:3F:C175:4CEA:1FFF:FE18:DDEE ( talk) 17:50, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
please don't put it if u don't know 2409:40E6:3F:C175:4CEA:1FFF:FE18:DDEE ( talk) 17:51, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Who are u? Claim something with will, but with knowledge is good. Acquire if u don't have. Sorry for the inconvenience 2409:40E6:3F:C175:4CEA:1FFF:FE18:DDEE ( talk) 17:54, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
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Can anyone tell someone uninitiated like myself why an article about Srimanta Sankardeva is about someone (else??) called Mohapurux Srimonto Xonkordev? <KF> 15:46, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
It should have been just Saint Sankaradeva and this is the only name used in yesteryear Kamrupi scriptures. mahapursha (big man) or srimanta (handsome) were created by subsequent Assamese authors. Kurmaa ( talk) 18:12, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
For more materials on Sankaradeva, consult :
Mahapurusha Srimanta Sankaradeva, Dr Sanjib Kumar Borkakoti, Bani Mandir, MMC Bhavan, Guwahati-781003 Unique contributions of Sankaradeva in religion and culture, Dr Sanjib Kumar Borkakoti, Srimanta sankaravea Sangha, HB Road, Nagaon-782001
Please include the full verse: Kara Tala Kamala.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Devaine123 ( talk • contribs) 08:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
-> he supervised the creations of the 60mx30m woven Vrindavani vastra, that depicted the playful activities of Krishna in Vrindavana. <-
Kurmaa ( talk) 18:16, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
As I noticed the name is changed from Sankardeva to Sankaradeva by user Jrkalita, but the page title is still named as Srimanta Sankardeva. Google search result shows both name as correct. Now, what should we do with the name? Bishnu Saikia ( talk) 14:40, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
'Sankaradeva'(শংকৰদেৱ) is not, for instance, a name like 'Sankarsana' (শংকৰ্ষণ). The 'a' vowel sound is always there in the former after the ’ৰ’. Its a 'ra', mind you, not 'r' (ৰ্). Please notice the 'stroke' mark at the bottom of the character.
Therefore, 'Sankardev' is *not* correct, transliteratively speaking. That would have been correct had we written শংকৰ্দেৱ্ (again, please notice the strokes). *That* would be rendered in Latin as 'Sankardev'; For শংকৰদেৱ, therefore, the correct transliteration is Sankaradeva [ শ্ + অ = শ(Śa);ং(ṇ); ক্ + অ = ক(ka); ৰ্ + অ = ৰ(ra); দে(de); ৱ্ + অ = ৱ(va)]
Now, in pronunciation, what happens is that, as in the case of spoken Hindi which pronounces, for instance, the Sanskrit अर्जुन as 'Arjun' and not 'Arjuna', the vowel 'অ' sound is shortened so much that it is barely enunciated; therefore 'শংকৰদেৱ' appears as 'শংকৰ্দেৱ্'. But, while rendering the name in Latin (in Wikipedia and elsewhere), we must be careful to avoid mistake in transliteration.
Where the 'a (অ or अ)' is to be omitted after a consonant a stroke is added at the bottom of the Devanagari letter. That stroke is not added to any of 'Arjuna' or 'Bhima' and so these are the correct renditions in Roman script. In Hindi (wrt Sanskrit) we can also tell that final 'a' sounds are included where mantras are designated according to the number of syllables and in all cases the ' अ' is included in the number.
Therefore, considering all these factors, it is requested that the name of the Saint in the Wikipedia title as also in all other cases, be consistently applied as 'Sankaradeva'(শংকৰদেৱ) and not as 'Sankardev' ( শংকৰ্দেৱ্))) ) or 'Sankardeva' (শংকৰ্দেৱ). Past academicians like Dr Maheswar Neog, Dr SN Sarma had all written 'Sankaradeva'. The Srimanta Sankaradeva Sangha has also very correctly resolved on 'Sankaradeva' ( http://srimantasankaradevasangha.com/) and so have other institutions like Srimanta Foundation for Culture ( http://www.srimanta.net/), Srimanta Sankaradeva Kalakshetra ( http://kalakshetra-assam.gov.in/), Srimanta Sankaradeva University of Health Sciences ( http://ssuhs.in/) and others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.212.56.228 ( talk) 10:11, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
I have been using 'Sankaradeva' and would like the same here too if you all concur. Drsanjib.borkakoti ( talk) 15:45, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
I am finding it difficult to use the notes-citation split. For example, on mouse over, I get the note; but on mouseover on the mouseover, I do not get the citation. I think it prudent to keep the notes and citations together. Chaipau ( talk) 20:17, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
References
The section added on Sankari dance looks original research to me. I have not seen Sattriya dance divided into Sankari and non-Sankari parts. Also, it seems to be ludicrous to name those parts created by Madhavdev as Sankari. I have deleted those parts. Chaipau ( talk) 06:07, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
You removed the book "Sukhabilāsa Barmā (2004). Bhāwāiyā: Ethnomusicological Study. Global Vision Publishing Ho. pp. 74–. ISBN 978-81-8220- 070-8. Retrieved 30 May 2013" considering it a terrible book in the article Sankardev.
Can you please state the reasons for considering the book to be terrible? Padmanlp (talk) 09:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
It is a very bad book, unreliable. Please do not use it. There are many problems with that book. Chaipau (talk) 11:11, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
It's ok- I'l not use that book; but I would like you to pinpoint some reasons at least. Please give. Padmanlp (talk) 14:29, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Chaipau, I am asking you for the second time: give me some reasons for considering the said book to be terrible. You can't simply decide which book is good and which one is bad at your wish without any reason. Give me reasons. Padmanlp ( talk) 11:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Oppose: Forum for Sankardeva Studies is a modern institution. This article is about a historical person. They cannot be merged. Chaipau ( talk) 10:47, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
This person is very important in India.' Many wicked people edit this articles wrongly so requested to lock this page. Assamese wiki ( talk) 01:32, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
An IP address keeps on changing Sankardeva's caste to 'Kalita' without any sources or verification, can anyone do something to protect this page? ComparingQuantities ( talk) 14:54, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
there is no title as shown, atleast in Assam 2409:40E6:3F:C175:4CEA:1FFF:FE18:DDEE ( talk) 17:50, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
please don't put it if u don't know 2409:40E6:3F:C175:4CEA:1FFF:FE18:DDEE ( talk) 17:51, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Who are u? Claim something with will, but with knowledge is good. Acquire if u don't have. Sorry for the inconvenience 2409:40E6:3F:C175:4CEA:1FFF:FE18:DDEE ( talk) 17:54, 20 February 2024 (UTC)