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Can someone list all the video games and pinball machines sampled? I recognize the Space Invaders samples. 24.68.46.39 ( talk) 20:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
On the main Clash article, Joe Strummer is quoted with the following from Westway to the World:
This is in direct conflict with the reports of this article. Does anyone know enough about this to correct the article(s)? Stellis 23:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Joe is referring to the three week session in NYC. Most of the ideas for the songs on Sandinista
were born during that time, during March and April of 1980. However, the band did spend a considerable amount of time recording in London to complete the album, and some songs were actually written and recorded then.
They also recorded at least one track in Jamaica, and managed to squeeze in the sessions for Ellen Foley's album in London during July of 1980, before completing Sandinista in October.
Jeff Sanchez
The article states that each of the members had a lead vocal on the album. I can't recall a Paul singing any though. Does he sing one? - R. fiend 01:18, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
I just removed This article is about the band the Clash, for the Nicaraguan left-wing political party see Sandinista National Liberation Front. -- I think that it is extraordinarily unlikely that anyone is going to include an excalmation point in the search box when looking for anything but the album. The article should, of course, contain a link to the origin of the album's name. Jkelly 01:35, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
From the article: "Three singles were released from the Sandinista! sessions in the UK: "Bankrobber" (which did not appear on the album), "The Call Up", "Hitsville UK", and "The Magnificent Seven". The last deserves mention as possibly the first-ever British rap single and the first rap single by a white band."
First of all, the obvious: it says three singles and lists four songs. I don't know which part is wrong, so I can't fix it. Secondly, regarding the claim that "The Magnificent Seven" was possibly the first-ever rap single [by a white band]: wasn't "Guns of Brixton," from London Calling, released as a single? It has sort of a reggae beat, but it's definitely a rap song in my book. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.87.187.236 ( talk) 20:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC).
Paul simonon isn't toasting in the guns of brixton. toasting involves improvising lyrics as you go along and that certainly ins't happening in that song! guns of brixon isn't even dub anyway- dub is the jamacian equivelent of a remix!
How about "Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick" by Ian Dury and the Blockheads? I'd say Joe's rapping in "The Magnificent Seven" falls evenly between this, "Rapper's Delight" and "Rapture."
Winterssanchez 17:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
couple of things, first this current paragraph makes no sense
"The triple-LP set was, like London Calling, a subject of trickery towards the record company from the band. Two contradictory accounts of the release of the album exist. Some say that the Clash pulled the same trick a second time by saying they wanted to include a 12" single with their double album, and then getting 3 full-length discs pressed before executives became wise. Another belief is that The Clash surrendered all of their album royalties in order to make the 3-LP set a reality. Regardless of which of these is true, either situation paints the band in a good light, putting their fans before and above any other involved entity."
While I know what the person is trying to say they aren't saying it, that the album was sold for single or double album price while being a triple album. They also don't refer to what 'the same trick' is, they of course mean london calling being a double album sold as a single, as explained in the london calling article. I'd fix this but I'm not sure of all my facts, especially regarding the surrendering of artist royalties. I'm pretty sure I read that while this was true in england, in america and elsewhere the album sold for full triple-album price. The whole reduced price thing was just a token gesture more than anything else.
One of the most recent edits was the removal of a bit of a sentence describing Sandinista! as The Clash's most experimental album. While I am all for an unbiased, objective (vs. subjective) writing style, this album was their most experimental. Experimental isn't necessarily a biased word (David Bowie did some really experimental material I really didn't like; while Beck has done experimental work that I do like. It's the liking or disliking of a work that is biased). It is the subjective nature of describing a work as experimental that gets sticky. Is there a less subjective/non-subjective way of describing a work in a similar fashion? Phil 08:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I would like to reach out to whoever added this bit of info about Tim Curry doing the voice of the preacher on "The Sound of the Sinners." I'd like to know more about this story, and also to ask if anyone has info about Den Hegarty doing the weird narration on side six. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Winterssanchez ( talk Winterssanchez 18:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)• contribs) 18:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC).
i haven't seen my vinyl collection in 15 years, but i'm pretty sure Sandinista! was five-sided. three discs with half the last disc blank. -- chaizzilla 16:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I just bought Sandinista on album/record, it comes on 3 albums, each at 33 1/3 rpm. The Clash sound better on record/vinyl BTW! The track listing is:
Side 1: The Magnificent Seven / Hitsville U.K. / Junco Partner / Ivan Meets G.I. Joe / The Leader / Something About England
Side 2: Rebel Waltz / Look Here / The Crooked Beat / Somebody Got Murdered / One More Time / One More Dub
Side 3: Lightning Strikes (Not One But Twice) / Up In Heaven (Not Only Here) / Corner Soul / Let's Go Crazy / If Music Could Talk / The Sound of the Sinners
Side 4: Police on my Back / Midnight Log / The Equaliser / The Call Up / Washington Bullets / Broadway
Side 5: Lose This Skin / Charlie Don't Surf / Mensforth Hill / Junkie Slip / Kingston Advice / The Street Parade
Side 6: Version City / Living in Fame / Silicone on Sapphire / Version Pardner / Career Opportunities / Shepherds Delight 24.68.46.39 ( talk) 23:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
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I note there has been a dispute over the correct style and quantity of footnotes in this article. This would best be discussed here rather than by edit-warring or angry edit summaries. Let battle commence! -- John ( talk) 17:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Can we have done with the constant changing of the genres in the infobox? Rap rock is correct, and punk rock is unnecessary, since post-punk covers it. We need not list a style for every single song on the album. Any thoughts? --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 02:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure that Joe Strummer would lol about this trouble of the music genres in wikipedia if he where alive. It is ironical. I will write "Various other styles" in the article so it covers all the other song's styles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.174.167.201 ( talk) 05:26, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I see the genre is now listed as 'Punk Rock' and 'Ska Punk'; to my mind, neither of these genres are evident on 'Sandinista!'. Personally, I think we should just put 'Various' in the info box - 'Sandinista!' is a remarkable album, in that there are a huge variety of genres and styles, which literally change from song to song. However, it seems that some people are determined to try to shove the whole thing into a pigeon-hole... If you're going to put anything in there, it has to be 'Dub'; the only particular style which seems to permeate the whole thing, even the straighter, more rocky songs. To call the whole thing 'Rap Rock' is a joke: there are two songs on the album which could possibly measure up to that label, and even then, it's highly debatable.
In response to RepublicanJacobite's comments, I will say this. Yes, this is an encyclopaedia, and we must try to define things as best we can... But in attempting to classify this remarkably diverse album in a few words, you are excluding all the other applicable genres. I think that in this case, naming one or two genres would be highly misleading; it would be better to say nothing at all about the genre by using the term 'Various', and let the rest of the article inform the reader about the whole spectrum. 79.68.76.151 ( talk) 08:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Stop sending me messages that I'm vandalizing Wikipedia. Punk rock and Ska punk are the correct genres. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.252.190 ( talk) 19:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
If nobody objects to it on this discussion board, I'm going to change the genres back to punk rock and ska punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.252.190 ( talk) 08:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I added punk rock with a citation and it gets deleted?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.252.190 ( talk) 00:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
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It seems, to judge by the recent flurry of edits, that we need a new discussion about genres. My feeling is that the infobox should be left simple, only saying rock, and that the explanation given in the lede as to the wide diversity of genres is more than enough to explain the point. We cannot list all of the genres in the infobox, and the recent addition of genres that are blatantly incorrect (ska punk, hardcore, death metal, screamo) is not at all helpful. Any thoughts? --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 04:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
No, we will not leave it just as rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.252.190 ( talk) 21:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
The only way I am going to stop changing the genres is if you disable editing on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.252.190 ( talk) 07:55, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
What about Reggae and Dub? Most of the songs on the sixth side is Dub. Alec scheat ( talk) 09:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
The claim that the "The Call-Up" was the first British rap song seems questionable: the Rolling Stones, just to name one British rock band, beat the Clash to the rap-rock fusion bag with "Miss You," "(Doo Doo Doo) Heartbreaker" and several other tunes. Of course it is hard to tell, with British bands, what's rap-influenced and what's Jamaican dub-influenced. It is also hard to tell what's an early white rap tune and what's a pre-rap rock song which influenced later rappers. Timothy Horrigan ( talk) 04:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
y'know what's funny, that this album is classified as punk, new wave and dance punk and yet every single on it is classified as post-punk (as the main genre anyway) we should at least add post-punk, but im not gonna do it without discussion because i've got into trouble with my edits before 188.222.41.105 ( talk) 20:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
if no one discusses this soon im adding post-punk 188.222.41.105 ( talk) 19:13, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
It sounds a lot like Mick Jones. I could be wrong, but it's something to consider. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.65.73.102 ( talk) 21:02, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm thinking that all four members of the Clash are singing together on this... I may have gotten this impression from Marcus Gray's "Last Gang in Town." Winterssanchez ( talk) 13:00, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Sandinista! is undoubtedly the finest album in the history of music and anyone who says otherwise is a petit-bourgeois, scum-sucking, bottom-feeding, imperialist running-dog. Smokey TheCat 00:31, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
'The rock music world hailed Sandinista! as a masterpiece'? The British papers were generally pretty critical (eg. the NME: 'ridiculously self-indulgent'; Melody Maker: 'a floundering mutant', both from page 291 of Chris Salewicz's 'Redemption Song') 41.241.64.121 ( talk) 19:54, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
are you seriously only gonna use Punk Rock and New Wave to describe this album, this album is what the album should be categorized as: Experimental Punk, Punk Rock, New Wave, Post-Punk, Alternative Rock.
This article credits only The Clash and Mikey Dread, but it is a dub version of " Police and Thieves", so should not Junior Murvin and Lee "Scratch" Perry be credited? I would edit the article now but there might be reason why Murvin and Perry are not credited. Someone please respond to this. -- Blaguymonkey ( talk) 05:43, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
To me it sounds like the same progression as "If Music Could Talk" and "Living in Fame" which give credit to Mikey Dread. Winterssanchez ( talk) 13:02, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I think "Punk Rock" is too simple to this album. So I recommend to add the genres "Experimental Punk" and "Alternative Rock", as well as "Ska Punk" and maybe "Reggae Rock" or "Funk Rock". Just to illustrate with a music genre threesome/square how width and various the album "Sandinista!" is. LarsOlaEide ( talk) 23:19, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Guys, I'm gonna change the genre to post-punk and worldbeat, as absolutely nothing on here fits the definition of punk rock. It's absolutely incorrect to leave it as it is. degree7 ( talk) 01:44, 4 January 2014, EST
Actually, genre is subjective, we need sources for all these pieces of information per WP:RS and WP:OR. Before adding or removing genres, make sure we have a source. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 18:29, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
You can't say "Sheperds Delight" is a "Dub version of Police and Thieves" just because it uses the same chord progression. There's no mention on the LP of "Police and Thieves" or the original songwriters. (It's actually credited to Dread/Clash on the UK vinyl.)
In other words, "The Alphabet Song" isn't a "dub version" of "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star."
Also, dub versions are "remixes" of the original recordings, not brand new recordings. Just because something is remade as an instrumental doesn't make it a dub. Junior Murvin's "Bad Weed" or Lee Perry's "Grumblin' Dub" are real "dub versions" of "Police and Thieves," to give some examples. - Difeon ( talk) 16:46, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Also, I changed the genre to post-punk.
We reached a consensus on the talk page for London Calling that it's post-punk, based on cited article. This should extend to this album. (Sandinista is even more post-punk. Disco! Dub! Hip hop! Noise! Ever listened to Metal Box?)
Alternative rock doesn't fit at all, especially based on Wikipedia's own article. (Read it.) -- Difeon ( talk) 17:06, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
That's not a consensus besides it's on the London Calling page, and it's over two years old. I read the origin of Alternative rock as being late 1970s so this could be considered alternative rock.-- 76.107.252.227 ( talk) 16:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
This edit added by an IP editor from Michigan gave us " Post-punk, new wave, reggae rock".
The cited sources are as follows:
The first source says nothing about the album's genre; and there is no mention at all of post-punk as applied to this album. The review quotes some other reviews that tell us the album is hard to pin down by genre ("gesticulating madly in every idiomatic direction"). The second source lines up the Clash in a new wave comparison between them and the Police, but fails to tell us why this particular Clash album might be new wave. It devolves quickly into a discussion of the individual songs, giving each of them a genre such as "hypnotic rap disco rhythm" for the first song, "The Magnificent Seven". So you can see how much of an expert is this Christie Leo music critic from Malaysia.
The problems I have with these sources and genres are:
There isn't even a genre listed anymore. That's not right.
SlaniCraft (
talk) 22:32, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
SlaniCraft (
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Can someone list all the video games and pinball machines sampled? I recognize the Space Invaders samples. 24.68.46.39 ( talk) 20:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
On the main Clash article, Joe Strummer is quoted with the following from Westway to the World:
This is in direct conflict with the reports of this article. Does anyone know enough about this to correct the article(s)? Stellis 23:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Joe is referring to the three week session in NYC. Most of the ideas for the songs on Sandinista
were born during that time, during March and April of 1980. However, the band did spend a considerable amount of time recording in London to complete the album, and some songs were actually written and recorded then.
They also recorded at least one track in Jamaica, and managed to squeeze in the sessions for Ellen Foley's album in London during July of 1980, before completing Sandinista in October.
Jeff Sanchez
The article states that each of the members had a lead vocal on the album. I can't recall a Paul singing any though. Does he sing one? - R. fiend 01:18, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
I just removed This article is about the band the Clash, for the Nicaraguan left-wing political party see Sandinista National Liberation Front. -- I think that it is extraordinarily unlikely that anyone is going to include an excalmation point in the search box when looking for anything but the album. The article should, of course, contain a link to the origin of the album's name. Jkelly 01:35, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
From the article: "Three singles were released from the Sandinista! sessions in the UK: "Bankrobber" (which did not appear on the album), "The Call Up", "Hitsville UK", and "The Magnificent Seven". The last deserves mention as possibly the first-ever British rap single and the first rap single by a white band."
First of all, the obvious: it says three singles and lists four songs. I don't know which part is wrong, so I can't fix it. Secondly, regarding the claim that "The Magnificent Seven" was possibly the first-ever rap single [by a white band]: wasn't "Guns of Brixton," from London Calling, released as a single? It has sort of a reggae beat, but it's definitely a rap song in my book. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.87.187.236 ( talk) 20:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC).
Paul simonon isn't toasting in the guns of brixton. toasting involves improvising lyrics as you go along and that certainly ins't happening in that song! guns of brixon isn't even dub anyway- dub is the jamacian equivelent of a remix!
How about "Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick" by Ian Dury and the Blockheads? I'd say Joe's rapping in "The Magnificent Seven" falls evenly between this, "Rapper's Delight" and "Rapture."
Winterssanchez 17:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
couple of things, first this current paragraph makes no sense
"The triple-LP set was, like London Calling, a subject of trickery towards the record company from the band. Two contradictory accounts of the release of the album exist. Some say that the Clash pulled the same trick a second time by saying they wanted to include a 12" single with their double album, and then getting 3 full-length discs pressed before executives became wise. Another belief is that The Clash surrendered all of their album royalties in order to make the 3-LP set a reality. Regardless of which of these is true, either situation paints the band in a good light, putting their fans before and above any other involved entity."
While I know what the person is trying to say they aren't saying it, that the album was sold for single or double album price while being a triple album. They also don't refer to what 'the same trick' is, they of course mean london calling being a double album sold as a single, as explained in the london calling article. I'd fix this but I'm not sure of all my facts, especially regarding the surrendering of artist royalties. I'm pretty sure I read that while this was true in england, in america and elsewhere the album sold for full triple-album price. The whole reduced price thing was just a token gesture more than anything else.
One of the most recent edits was the removal of a bit of a sentence describing Sandinista! as The Clash's most experimental album. While I am all for an unbiased, objective (vs. subjective) writing style, this album was their most experimental. Experimental isn't necessarily a biased word (David Bowie did some really experimental material I really didn't like; while Beck has done experimental work that I do like. It's the liking or disliking of a work that is biased). It is the subjective nature of describing a work as experimental that gets sticky. Is there a less subjective/non-subjective way of describing a work in a similar fashion? Phil 08:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I would like to reach out to whoever added this bit of info about Tim Curry doing the voice of the preacher on "The Sound of the Sinners." I'd like to know more about this story, and also to ask if anyone has info about Den Hegarty doing the weird narration on side six. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Winterssanchez ( talk Winterssanchez 18:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)• contribs) 18:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC).
i haven't seen my vinyl collection in 15 years, but i'm pretty sure Sandinista! was five-sided. three discs with half the last disc blank. -- chaizzilla 16:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I just bought Sandinista on album/record, it comes on 3 albums, each at 33 1/3 rpm. The Clash sound better on record/vinyl BTW! The track listing is:
Side 1: The Magnificent Seven / Hitsville U.K. / Junco Partner / Ivan Meets G.I. Joe / The Leader / Something About England
Side 2: Rebel Waltz / Look Here / The Crooked Beat / Somebody Got Murdered / One More Time / One More Dub
Side 3: Lightning Strikes (Not One But Twice) / Up In Heaven (Not Only Here) / Corner Soul / Let's Go Crazy / If Music Could Talk / The Sound of the Sinners
Side 4: Police on my Back / Midnight Log / The Equaliser / The Call Up / Washington Bullets / Broadway
Side 5: Lose This Skin / Charlie Don't Surf / Mensforth Hill / Junkie Slip / Kingston Advice / The Street Parade
Side 6: Version City / Living in Fame / Silicone on Sapphire / Version Pardner / Career Opportunities / Shepherds Delight 24.68.46.39 ( talk) 23:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
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I note there has been a dispute over the correct style and quantity of footnotes in this article. This would best be discussed here rather than by edit-warring or angry edit summaries. Let battle commence! -- John ( talk) 17:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Can we have done with the constant changing of the genres in the infobox? Rap rock is correct, and punk rock is unnecessary, since post-punk covers it. We need not list a style for every single song on the album. Any thoughts? --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 02:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure that Joe Strummer would lol about this trouble of the music genres in wikipedia if he where alive. It is ironical. I will write "Various other styles" in the article so it covers all the other song's styles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.174.167.201 ( talk) 05:26, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I see the genre is now listed as 'Punk Rock' and 'Ska Punk'; to my mind, neither of these genres are evident on 'Sandinista!'. Personally, I think we should just put 'Various' in the info box - 'Sandinista!' is a remarkable album, in that there are a huge variety of genres and styles, which literally change from song to song. However, it seems that some people are determined to try to shove the whole thing into a pigeon-hole... If you're going to put anything in there, it has to be 'Dub'; the only particular style which seems to permeate the whole thing, even the straighter, more rocky songs. To call the whole thing 'Rap Rock' is a joke: there are two songs on the album which could possibly measure up to that label, and even then, it's highly debatable.
In response to RepublicanJacobite's comments, I will say this. Yes, this is an encyclopaedia, and we must try to define things as best we can... But in attempting to classify this remarkably diverse album in a few words, you are excluding all the other applicable genres. I think that in this case, naming one or two genres would be highly misleading; it would be better to say nothing at all about the genre by using the term 'Various', and let the rest of the article inform the reader about the whole spectrum. 79.68.76.151 ( talk) 08:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Stop sending me messages that I'm vandalizing Wikipedia. Punk rock and Ska punk are the correct genres. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.252.190 ( talk) 19:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
If nobody objects to it on this discussion board, I'm going to change the genres back to punk rock and ska punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.252.190 ( talk) 08:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I added punk rock with a citation and it gets deleted?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.252.190 ( talk) 00:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
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As an editor at Crawdaddy!, and to comply with COI guidelines, I am not posting the link to this new piece looking back at the Clash's Sandinista!. However, I would like to recommend it on its merits, and hope that an editor will find the time to examine the article and—if he or she sees fit—post it as an external link or use it as a reference. I appreciate your time.
Crawdaddy!
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Mike harkin (
talk) 23:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
It seems, to judge by the recent flurry of edits, that we need a new discussion about genres. My feeling is that the infobox should be left simple, only saying rock, and that the explanation given in the lede as to the wide diversity of genres is more than enough to explain the point. We cannot list all of the genres in the infobox, and the recent addition of genres that are blatantly incorrect (ska punk, hardcore, death metal, screamo) is not at all helpful. Any thoughts? --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 04:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
No, we will not leave it just as rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.252.190 ( talk) 21:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
The only way I am going to stop changing the genres is if you disable editing on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.252.190 ( talk) 07:55, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
What about Reggae and Dub? Most of the songs on the sixth side is Dub. Alec scheat ( talk) 09:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
The claim that the "The Call-Up" was the first British rap song seems questionable: the Rolling Stones, just to name one British rock band, beat the Clash to the rap-rock fusion bag with "Miss You," "(Doo Doo Doo) Heartbreaker" and several other tunes. Of course it is hard to tell, with British bands, what's rap-influenced and what's Jamaican dub-influenced. It is also hard to tell what's an early white rap tune and what's a pre-rap rock song which influenced later rappers. Timothy Horrigan ( talk) 04:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
y'know what's funny, that this album is classified as punk, new wave and dance punk and yet every single on it is classified as post-punk (as the main genre anyway) we should at least add post-punk, but im not gonna do it without discussion because i've got into trouble with my edits before 188.222.41.105 ( talk) 20:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
if no one discusses this soon im adding post-punk 188.222.41.105 ( talk) 19:13, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
It sounds a lot like Mick Jones. I could be wrong, but it's something to consider. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.65.73.102 ( talk) 21:02, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm thinking that all four members of the Clash are singing together on this... I may have gotten this impression from Marcus Gray's "Last Gang in Town." Winterssanchez ( talk) 13:00, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Sandinista! is undoubtedly the finest album in the history of music and anyone who says otherwise is a petit-bourgeois, scum-sucking, bottom-feeding, imperialist running-dog. Smokey TheCat 00:31, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
'The rock music world hailed Sandinista! as a masterpiece'? The British papers were generally pretty critical (eg. the NME: 'ridiculously self-indulgent'; Melody Maker: 'a floundering mutant', both from page 291 of Chris Salewicz's 'Redemption Song') 41.241.64.121 ( talk) 19:54, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
are you seriously only gonna use Punk Rock and New Wave to describe this album, this album is what the album should be categorized as: Experimental Punk, Punk Rock, New Wave, Post-Punk, Alternative Rock.
This article credits only The Clash and Mikey Dread, but it is a dub version of " Police and Thieves", so should not Junior Murvin and Lee "Scratch" Perry be credited? I would edit the article now but there might be reason why Murvin and Perry are not credited. Someone please respond to this. -- Blaguymonkey ( talk) 05:43, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
To me it sounds like the same progression as "If Music Could Talk" and "Living in Fame" which give credit to Mikey Dread. Winterssanchez ( talk) 13:02, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I think "Punk Rock" is too simple to this album. So I recommend to add the genres "Experimental Punk" and "Alternative Rock", as well as "Ska Punk" and maybe "Reggae Rock" or "Funk Rock". Just to illustrate with a music genre threesome/square how width and various the album "Sandinista!" is. LarsOlaEide ( talk) 23:19, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Guys, I'm gonna change the genre to post-punk and worldbeat, as absolutely nothing on here fits the definition of punk rock. It's absolutely incorrect to leave it as it is. degree7 ( talk) 01:44, 4 January 2014, EST
Actually, genre is subjective, we need sources for all these pieces of information per WP:RS and WP:OR. Before adding or removing genres, make sure we have a source. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 18:29, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
You can't say "Sheperds Delight" is a "Dub version of Police and Thieves" just because it uses the same chord progression. There's no mention on the LP of "Police and Thieves" or the original songwriters. (It's actually credited to Dread/Clash on the UK vinyl.)
In other words, "The Alphabet Song" isn't a "dub version" of "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star."
Also, dub versions are "remixes" of the original recordings, not brand new recordings. Just because something is remade as an instrumental doesn't make it a dub. Junior Murvin's "Bad Weed" or Lee Perry's "Grumblin' Dub" are real "dub versions" of "Police and Thieves," to give some examples. - Difeon ( talk) 16:46, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Also, I changed the genre to post-punk.
We reached a consensus on the talk page for London Calling that it's post-punk, based on cited article. This should extend to this album. (Sandinista is even more post-punk. Disco! Dub! Hip hop! Noise! Ever listened to Metal Box?)
Alternative rock doesn't fit at all, especially based on Wikipedia's own article. (Read it.) -- Difeon ( talk) 17:06, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
That's not a consensus besides it's on the London Calling page, and it's over two years old. I read the origin of Alternative rock as being late 1970s so this could be considered alternative rock.-- 76.107.252.227 ( talk) 16:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
This edit added by an IP editor from Michigan gave us " Post-punk, new wave, reggae rock".
The cited sources are as follows:
The first source says nothing about the album's genre; and there is no mention at all of post-punk as applied to this album. The review quotes some other reviews that tell us the album is hard to pin down by genre ("gesticulating madly in every idiomatic direction"). The second source lines up the Clash in a new wave comparison between them and the Police, but fails to tell us why this particular Clash album might be new wave. It devolves quickly into a discussion of the individual songs, giving each of them a genre such as "hypnotic rap disco rhythm" for the first song, "The Magnificent Seven". So you can see how much of an expert is this Christie Leo music critic from Malaysia.
The problems I have with these sources and genres are:
There isn't even a genre listed anymore. That's not right.
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