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A previously unnamed and presumably new editor recently added sloppy descriptions of two football "rivalry" series — one between SJSU and Nevada and one between SJSU and UNLV. The implied rationale for characterizing these matchups as "rivalries" is that both teams play in the same conference. I disagree these are legitimate rivalry series as neither of these games are titled, nor is there a rivalry trophy associated with either of these games. Moreover, SJSU is not located in close geographical proximity to either of these schools, nor is there shared coaching or alumni lineage between SJSU and either of the Nevada schools. Can we agree to an objective set of criteria for determining whether a recurring matchup should, in fact, be considered a rivalry?
I propose for a matchup to be considered a true "rivalry" worthy of its own Wiki section or subsection, it should meet one or more (or maybe two or more) of the following criteria:
1) Game is titled, as in the "Bill Walsh Legacy Game" (SJSU v. Stanford), "Battle for the Valley Trophy" (SJSU v. Fresno), "Border War" (CSU v. Wyoming), "Big Game" (Cal v. Stanford), etc.
2) The existence of a rivalry trophy, as in the Old Brass Spittoon (Michigan v. Michigan State), the "Victory Bell" (UCLA v. USC), the "Fremont Canon" (UNR v. UNLV), the "Valley Trophy" (SJSU v. Fresno), etc.
3) Both schools are located in close geographic proximity to one another, as in cross-town or inner-state schools like Cal and Stanford or SJSU and Stanford.
4) Both schools share high-profile, mutual personal connections, as in SJSU's and Stanford's shared connection to Bill Walsh or SJSU's and Hawaii's shared connection to Dick Tomey.
5) The two teams have played each other a minimum number of times. In the case of SJSU v. UNLV, the two teams have only played each other 27 times. In contrast, SJSU has played Fresno, Stanford, SDSU and Hawaii 85 times, 67 times, 46 times and 45 times, respectively. SJSU has only played Nevada 36 times and the two schools did not even compete in the same conference or even the same league until the 1990s when Nevada moved up to D1A from D1AA.
Initially, I assumed the changes to the Rivalries section were good-faith edits by a new and previously unnamed poster (now identified as Sarabiajaime), but based on more recent edits this looks and feels like vandalism.
Someone please help resolve the "edit war" and perhaps assist with establishing objective criteria for determining whether a college football matchup truly does qualify as a "rivalry." Based on the rationale used by Sarabiajaime, all in-conference matchups could be considered rivalries.
Londonfifo ( talk) 01:43, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move to San Jose State Spartans football. JPG-GR ( talk) 21:05, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
San José State Spartans Football → San José State Spartans football — "football" is not a proper noun. The WP:CFB naming convention uses "football" with a small 'f'. — X96lee15 ( talk) 18:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
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A previously unnamed and presumably new editor recently added sloppy descriptions of two football "rivalry" series — one between SJSU and Nevada and one between SJSU and UNLV. The implied rationale for characterizing these matchups as "rivalries" is that both teams play in the same conference. I disagree these are legitimate rivalry series as neither of these games are titled, nor is there a rivalry trophy associated with either of these games. Moreover, SJSU is not located in close geographical proximity to either of these schools, nor is there shared coaching or alumni lineage between SJSU and either of the Nevada schools. Can we agree to an objective set of criteria for determining whether a recurring matchup should, in fact, be considered a rivalry?
I propose for a matchup to be considered a true "rivalry" worthy of its own Wiki section or subsection, it should meet one or more (or maybe two or more) of the following criteria:
1) Game is titled, as in the "Bill Walsh Legacy Game" (SJSU v. Stanford), "Battle for the Valley Trophy" (SJSU v. Fresno), "Border War" (CSU v. Wyoming), "Big Game" (Cal v. Stanford), etc.
2) The existence of a rivalry trophy, as in the Old Brass Spittoon (Michigan v. Michigan State), the "Victory Bell" (UCLA v. USC), the "Fremont Canon" (UNR v. UNLV), the "Valley Trophy" (SJSU v. Fresno), etc.
3) Both schools are located in close geographic proximity to one another, as in cross-town or inner-state schools like Cal and Stanford or SJSU and Stanford.
4) Both schools share high-profile, mutual personal connections, as in SJSU's and Stanford's shared connection to Bill Walsh or SJSU's and Hawaii's shared connection to Dick Tomey.
5) The two teams have played each other a minimum number of times. In the case of SJSU v. UNLV, the two teams have only played each other 27 times. In contrast, SJSU has played Fresno, Stanford, SDSU and Hawaii 85 times, 67 times, 46 times and 45 times, respectively. SJSU has only played Nevada 36 times and the two schools did not even compete in the same conference or even the same league until the 1990s when Nevada moved up to D1A from D1AA.
Initially, I assumed the changes to the Rivalries section were good-faith edits by a new and previously unnamed poster (now identified as Sarabiajaime), but based on more recent edits this looks and feels like vandalism.
Someone please help resolve the "edit war" and perhaps assist with establishing objective criteria for determining whether a college football matchup truly does qualify as a "rivalry." Based on the rationale used by Sarabiajaime, all in-conference matchups could be considered rivalries.
Londonfifo ( talk) 01:43, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move to San Jose State Spartans football. JPG-GR ( talk) 21:05, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
San José State Spartans Football → San José State Spartans football — "football" is not a proper noun. The WP:CFB naming convention uses "football" with a small 'f'. — X96lee15 ( talk) 18:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
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