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I deleted the part of the opening sentence saying "sheerest in North America". First, that implies it is immensely steep, which it is not, as compared to, e.g. El Capitan. Second, it's not even close to the biggest face in all of North America (compare Mount McKinley/Denali), and it is not quite the biggest in the contiguous US (compare Mount Rainier). Now, it may be true that Rainier is the only other place where you can get more than 10,000 feet in 7 miles, and if you declare that not to count as an "escarpment" (since it's volcanic), then the photo caption could perhaps be changed back. But it would need a careful reference. -- Spireguy 02:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Within the San Jacinto Mountains is San Jacinto Peak, world-renowned as the steepest escarpment in North America.
Found in: page 8 of chapter 3-"Affected Environment" from Proposed Management Plan for the Santa Rosa and San Jacinto Mountains National Monument/FEIS ( PDF format)
Just because this is a FEIS document does not mean it is accurate. My question is: where do I go to double-check this statement?
Sincerely Marcia Wright ( talk) 05:00, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Certainly the excarpment in question is big, and for such a large vertical relief, relatively steep. But does it really mean anything to say that it is "the steepest", or "one of the steepest"? An escarpment that is 10 feet high but dead vertical would be steeper. So I find any such statement suspect. -- Spireguy ( talk) 15:29, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Well maybe I'm running this into the ground, but if it IS the steepest in N.A., the article should state that. Mt Whitney is not "one of..." etc. So, I e-mailed Bureau of Land Management asking what their source was, and they kindly sent me a PDF of a newspaper article (Palm Springs Desert Sun 8-22-04 p.E3) written by James Cornett M.S., Curator of Natural Sience, Desert Museum and staff biologist with UC Extension. I know this satisfies Wikipedia policies , so please check it out and let me know if this reference is good enough to change the article's sentence. Regards,
Marcia Wright (
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00:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Good points here. And for the record, I've read alot of debates on various talk pages regarding truth vs. reliable/verifiable and I would put myself closer to the truth side of the scale. Misinformation has no place on Wikipedia, even if well-intended/good faith effort. I found this statement from BLM's webpage on the NM: Down below in the Coachella Valley, elevations range from below mean sea level to several hundred feet, resulting in an abrupt vertical relief of more than 10,000 feet on the steep eastern face of San Jacinto Mountain, and exceeding the vertical relief in most other parts of the contiguous United States except Death Valley. (emphasis mine). So the statement in both articles should remain "one of.." to avoid accidental misinformation. Good argument, thank you. Marcia Wright ( talk) 14:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
The article currently says, "Naturalist John Muir wrote of San Jacinto Peak, "The view from San Jacinto is the most sublime spectacle to be found anywhere on this earth!" [1]" This statement may not be accurate. In The San Jacintos, a book I have, the authors write about the quote (page 195, footnote 1), "We have been unable to verify that John Muir ever climbed San Jacinto Peak. He visited Thomas Ranch with the National Forest Commission in 1896, but stayed only one day and did not approach the mountain." Chisme ( talk) 00:43, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
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I deleted the part of the opening sentence saying "sheerest in North America". First, that implies it is immensely steep, which it is not, as compared to, e.g. El Capitan. Second, it's not even close to the biggest face in all of North America (compare Mount McKinley/Denali), and it is not quite the biggest in the contiguous US (compare Mount Rainier). Now, it may be true that Rainier is the only other place where you can get more than 10,000 feet in 7 miles, and if you declare that not to count as an "escarpment" (since it's volcanic), then the photo caption could perhaps be changed back. But it would need a careful reference. -- Spireguy 02:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Within the San Jacinto Mountains is San Jacinto Peak, world-renowned as the steepest escarpment in North America.
Found in: page 8 of chapter 3-"Affected Environment" from Proposed Management Plan for the Santa Rosa and San Jacinto Mountains National Monument/FEIS ( PDF format)
Just because this is a FEIS document does not mean it is accurate. My question is: where do I go to double-check this statement?
Sincerely Marcia Wright ( talk) 05:00, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Certainly the excarpment in question is big, and for such a large vertical relief, relatively steep. But does it really mean anything to say that it is "the steepest", or "one of the steepest"? An escarpment that is 10 feet high but dead vertical would be steeper. So I find any such statement suspect. -- Spireguy ( talk) 15:29, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Well maybe I'm running this into the ground, but if it IS the steepest in N.A., the article should state that. Mt Whitney is not "one of..." etc. So, I e-mailed Bureau of Land Management asking what their source was, and they kindly sent me a PDF of a newspaper article (Palm Springs Desert Sun 8-22-04 p.E3) written by James Cornett M.S., Curator of Natural Sience, Desert Museum and staff biologist with UC Extension. I know this satisfies Wikipedia policies , so please check it out and let me know if this reference is good enough to change the article's sentence. Regards,
Marcia Wright (
talk)
00:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Good points here. And for the record, I've read alot of debates on various talk pages regarding truth vs. reliable/verifiable and I would put myself closer to the truth side of the scale. Misinformation has no place on Wikipedia, even if well-intended/good faith effort. I found this statement from BLM's webpage on the NM: Down below in the Coachella Valley, elevations range from below mean sea level to several hundred feet, resulting in an abrupt vertical relief of more than 10,000 feet on the steep eastern face of San Jacinto Mountain, and exceeding the vertical relief in most other parts of the contiguous United States except Death Valley. (emphasis mine). So the statement in both articles should remain "one of.." to avoid accidental misinformation. Good argument, thank you. Marcia Wright ( talk) 14:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
The article currently says, "Naturalist John Muir wrote of San Jacinto Peak, "The view from San Jacinto is the most sublime spectacle to be found anywhere on this earth!" [1]" This statement may not be accurate. In The San Jacintos, a book I have, the authors write about the quote (page 195, footnote 1), "We have been unable to verify that John Muir ever climbed San Jacinto Peak. He visited Thomas Ranch with the National Forest Commission in 1896, but stayed only one day and did not approach the mountain." Chisme ( talk) 00:43, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
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