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The new pic of Samus from Palladian - is that the Super Metroid Gravity Suit? Juding by the games I have played, it looks like it... but I can't be positive. -- Sparky the Seventh Chaos 23:21, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
The suit is the Fusion suit.It is made of Metriod cells and intact pieces of her Power suit.
Out of curiousity, does anyone know what the source for the biography information is?
I do. The metroid e-manga (japanese, search it on google), the NP metroid comic and the old black nintendo player's guide (I have a copy at home, I don't remember the exact title) But it meshes with what I know about samus, it looks good to me.
CyberSkull 02:14, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)
I've read a translation of the E-manga, but I question the validity of certain other points in the biography:
I haven't played Echoes, so I can't check the information there; could someone else who's familiar with the game check it? -- Poiuyt Man talk 01:11, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC) Echoescomes BEFORE Metriod Fusion.
Does anyone know why the chozo lore entries relating to Samus were removed in the PAL version of Metroid Prime?
I thought is was Sah-muhs Air-en. I heard that's how it was pronounced in the intro that was included in the PAL version of Metroid Prime. -- Sparky the Seventh Chaos 01:04, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)
The phrase "in the suit" appears in the stats section and this is certainly a valid statement, but I'm not sure that it's necessarily correct. This is the context that that information is taken from.
As you can see, there appears to be a pretty straightforward interpretation of those stats as it's under that particular heading, but on closer inspection I'm not so certain. A 6 ft 2in, 198 lb woman is large and imposing to be sure, but healthy and certainly not unheard of. But if those figures are Samus in her suit, she must weight what, 135 lbs, minimum? So does that mean the entire suit weighs less than 63 pounds? Futuristic alien technology, sure, but that's still pretty light. Anyway, Metroid 2 notwithstanding, is there any other information that addresses this? I'd prefer to just have the statements "Height 1m 90cm" and "Weight: 90kg" with no qualifiers if we're just going from Metroid 2 but I may be the only one who feels this way and if I am, there's obviously no reason to change it.
I did some more digging that seems to confirm that Samus is just a very big lady. Nintendo may eventually retcon it, but from the Super Metroid strategy guide and Metroid 2 manual, she's over six foot and nearly 200 pounds. Also, even though some places say 6'3" rather than 6'2", I did the calculation from 190 cm on a conversion site and got 6.23 ft, which is why I rounded down. Insomniac By Choice 05:02, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ah, good thing one of us has a brain for conversions then. My apologies. Insomniac By Choice 20:48, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Based on the information on the top, I would assume she is wearing the suit. It mentions her arm cannon, and armor. In mp2:e, you can look more closely at all of the upgrades and armor Samus posseses. When you look at the armor, the boots she is wearing have a thick heel, so I would assume that adds a little to the height. Also, It's not like the top of her helmet is pressed to her head. I would guess that there is a gap about an inch or so between her head and the top of the helmet. In the ending movie after you beat MP, she takes off her helmet. Her hair is in a ponytail, which would require having some space. Based on this, I would assume she is closer to 6' or even 5'11". I also wonder about her weight. Is that with the power suit or the varia?
ah yes....been playing MP lately......
Maybe the height is a result of human adaptation/evolution? Humans are much taller now than they were, say, 300 years ago, so wouldn't it make sense that people in the future would be taller than us?-- chris16447
Perhaps we shouldn't take the 90kg figure at face value. That guide was published a while ago, and probably was figuring in the suit as part of the weight. Perhaps using picture attained from endings and the definite height figure of 1.9m to estimate using the standard BMI scale by estimating about where she'd be on the scale from 15-40, and using the mathematical operation as indicated in the article to come about the weight, especially since Nintendo hasn't released anything (to my knowledge) that goes one way or another as to whether that figure factors in the suit. (Note: The current figures, assuming we're saying the suit isn't counted in the 90kg, is 24.9, which doesn't seem horribly bad.)
Digital Watches 23:50, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Only 200 lbs. wrapped in metal? Seems a bit light for a tall, muscular human woman in full armor. -- WikidSmaht ( talk) 12:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but it's Chozo technology. I'm pretty sure it's more advanced than human armor. Who says it's metal? It could very well be carbon nanotubes, or god-knows-what-else. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they never explicitly say that it's a pure metal suit. Plus, she was genetically enhanced, so she could be lighter or heavier than she looks in pictures. It's all up to interpretation, until they release actual specs and measurements, both in suit and out, there is no way to know for sure.
Aren't the given stats about Samus on the Metroid II context just much too open for interpretation? The way I see it, it would be ludicrous to compute or estimate for anything just because of the reason that we don't have enough info(do you have any numbers on how heavy or large her suit is?); so I think that we should also entertain the most obvious possibility that she is wearing her suit and give it proper note. User:Virgofenix
Why did the link to that song get deleted? It wasn't a promotional ad, there's nothing to promote. If any promotion at all is going on, the whole article is a promotion of the videogame and Metroid movie. The song is just something that some guy wrote and put on his school website for fun. It's not on any commercial recordings or anything like that.
Is there any evidence that Samus, is in fact a cyborg? Aside from the original instruction manual that was wrong on most other topics? (Samus is male, Mother Brain is the space pirates' leader, etc) If not, why does this artical have the "fictional cyborgs" category? Assuming that Samus is a cyborg just from that source seems to me like assuming that she is also a hermaphrodite because of the same source. User:dcomings
You DO realize, that she CAN take her suit off.In Metriod Fusion,they could not remove the suit while she was Unconscionce.
Recently the entire collection of Chozo lore from Metroid Prime has been added to the article, and portions of it existed in this article before. I believe this may not fall under fair use, due to the amount being copied word-for-word from the game. For now, I've removed the section, and instead linked to a Chozo Lore FAQ in the References section. -- Poiuyt Man talk 13:50, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
She wasn't to start with, but those pics indicate otherwise. Seriously, she is wearing just a bra and panties in the one!
I removed the statement that Nintendo made Samus female for sex appeal to help sell games. This obviously isn't true, as Samus is not revealed to be female until completion of the original Metroid. -- Pagrashtak 19:11, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I edited it a bit further--I don't see how discussing her raw sex appeal really seems NPOV, just as discussing what seems to be appropriate attire. Personally, I actually found her older Super Metroid and Metroid Fusion outfits less overtly sexual, and plenty appropriate for wearing under several layers of steel. But that sort of commentary is opinion, not fact. The edit wound up unsigned because I got logged out. Whups! Evan L. Kester 03:19, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
I made a minor edit to Samus' age, which is 20 in the first game since it takes place in 2025 (the date of 20X5) since she was supposedly born in 2005 according to Konami. -- Yahweh 4 July 2005 00:30 (UTC)
I suppose that's true. That's right, Nintendo did make the "Metroid" games. Anyhow, if the Galactic Federation was formed in their universe in the year 2000, then the events that followed should have happened within a reasonably quick amount of time one would assume, and the story says that it wasn't very long before the Space Pirates attacked and all of that. Still, 20X5 could be 2005, 2015, 2025...2095, though there are a couple of websites that I've read that believe the date to be 2025, such as www.metroid-eu.com and www.nesplayer.com, though we won't exactly know 100% for sure. One thing I have found interesting is that the 1st Mega Man game takes place only 3 years supposedly from this year...200X is what the games say, which is roughly 2008, since in "Mega Man 4" it says 20XX, which is "one year after the destruction of Gamma" ("Mega Man 3"), and MM3 takes place a few months after MM2, which is a few months after MM1. So by that 200X is only a couple years before 20XX, so 20XX must be 2010, leaving 200X to be about 2008. Just thought that was kind of interesting, and it does make sense though since "Mega Man X" is discovered on or about 21XX (2114, the date copywrited on Dr. Cain's computer in the original game), or 100 years after 2014. -- Yahweh 5 July 2005 23:09 (UTC)
The GameFAQs policy (I've been there a lot of times) forbids any direct linking to a particular FAQ File, so I had to change the link in order to avoid showing an error message (Broken Link). Therefore, I made a link to the Metroid Prime FAQ Page with a lot of FAQs pertinent to Metroid, since GameFAQs does not allow us to link directly to files.
Link Fixed. -- Vesther 4 July 2005 17:36 (UTC)
While I don't agree with the removal of the Fusion image because it's offensive, I do think that one one suitless gallery image is enough. The images obviously have some intention of being provocative, and having those all over the article doesn't really fit in the "non-sexualized" text. There are numerous depictions of Samus throughout the games, so maybe variety would be good. Why don't we use some of the Metroid Prime concept art, or some of her 3D renditions?
Also, the images should be somewhat related to the surrounding text. I placed the sprite lineup next to the list of games, since it applies to many of the Metroid games. The Fusion picture is just eye-candy, and that's probably why it was removed. It would go better next to the "Challenge of Gender roles section". However, there's already a suitless image there. -- Poiuyt Man talk 03:16, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Isn't Zero Mission chronologically seen her very first mission (considering the box at the end of the article were it says: "Chronological order: Metroid | Zero Mission | ... "), because if you read what she says in the beginning of the game: "... Now I shall finally tell the tale of my first battle here ... My so-called Zero Mission." It sounds like Zero Mission happened before Metroid (and not the other way round). Opinions on that? -- Plumcouch 22:11, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
From the article:
The Varia suit is the one with the shoulder pads, and is her most commonly viewed suit. But as shown in Metroid Prime, Super Metriod, and probably the rest of the series, the Power Suit does not have the giant ball shoulder pads.
Whenever Samus upgrades to the Varia suit, that is when she gets her shoulder pads. Check out Metriod Prime, shoulder pads in the beginning, but later on in the game when the Varia suit gets disabled, she looses the shoulder pads and gets her "old style" suit.
Perhaps in like some comic or whatever that is the story, but in all the comics and stuff I see on Metroid... samus never looses her suit (though Ridley defeats samus at one point... i think...)
Should we put explanations for each section, like in Darth Vader, or links in the titles? igordebraga ≠ 16:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
From the article:
Consider my case. I'm not a native English speaker, and I have played very little of Super Smash Bros. (to which this sentence compares the behavior to, obviously), and while I actually own SSBM, I've used Samus very little, so you could assume I'm a good substiture for someone who's a complete and utter newbie to SSBM in this respect and would like to know more...
... and this article isn't helping.
And now I look at that sentence and think "hrrrm, what does 'slippery' mean here - so overpoweringly agile nobody can hit her, or is she too difficult to control for most player? What does 'far cry from most of the other characters' mean - far off to which direction, good or bad - gets beaten by everybody, or beats everyone seven ways even if she as much as sneezes toward them?"
Could somebody please clarify that in the article? -- Wwwwolf 17:52, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I use Samus in SSBM all the time she is SO good.
In my opinion, the whole line is just an opinion. It is true that she is seen as the least popular character in SSB:M, however, but I think it's mostly due to the fact that she is less manoueverable as in the first game. I haven't even noticed anything about this slippery business, but then again, define slippery.-- GaryCXJk 20:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
The entire issue some people have with her in comparison to an average person is slightly moot because she is not entirely human. Since she has modified DNA and such, we can't really be sure of her actual weight. She even might weight ninety pounds because, although I doubt it, the Chozo blood affected her muscles in ways not stated explicitly. In Zero Misiion, she can jump disturbingly high, for example, even out of her Power Suit. So there really is no way to tell except asking nintendo, and they might not have given much thought to the issue.
Just by chance as I was looking throught the few screens of the Metroid: Hunters demo for DS, I noticed the top screen of the options page had some very small text. After a while, with a couple eye blisters, I made out that the top screen says: "Samus: The Chosen One. A child born of the race of peoples known as Hunters." now whether this is a metaphor or not, it's somewhat interesting none the less. The next screen was more difficult and I only got certain words, "(Shoulder?) ______: _______ primarily to help carry the l___ of the Hunter's ___." And finally the last screen has 2 sections but only one is ledgible, stating: "The eyes; arguably the most important tool for a hunter. Used for spotting enemies in the most (harshest?) of (terrain?)." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.58.239 ( talk • contribs) 05:19, 2005 November 30
Can someone provide a source for Samus' age being 26? -- Sparky Lurkdragon 04:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Does'nt Samus seem to look a lot like Winry from Full Metal Alchemist? The Republican 00:11, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I really noticed that at an anime convention, where I saw a plastic Winry figure, and I thought, "gee, that looks like Samus".
Holy crap! I just realized it! How did I miss that? I was looking at a screenshot from Super Smash Bros. Brawl, thinking, "Hmm... Samus looks like someone... Who was it?" Well, there it is! And what a coincidence! Metroid is my #1 obsession, and FMA is #3. (#2 is Star Wars.) -- Gaming King 09:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the info, but this is too much. Maybe you could put more info on countries...
She's definitely not a Cyborg. When it says that she was integrated with her suit...its implied in the Japanese online comic and in other Metroid mythos that the suit is meant to be a second skin. As in...it connects with her nerves and literally becomes an outer shell. She can feel what goes on outside of it. I think that when the X infected her suit...it got into her nervous system via the suit because of this and removing it while she was uncouncious would of blown her nerves out and thus, killed her. No matter what though, it is still a suit. The definition of Cyborg is that a person is distinctively comprised of mechanical parts integrated with their biological bodies. Samus connects with the suit and is close to it, but its just a suit. Samus is herself, still a totally biological being (albiet with Chozo AND Metroid DNA in her now. She may be a little more than that now.) She's as much a Cyborg as Iron Man, who is definitely not a Cyborg. (not even in the catagory) So I'm removing the cyborg catagory unless someone explains specifically how she could be a Cyborg. Robotic suits don't count.-- Kiyosuki 01:14, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I would like to add something to that. The earlier manuals *might* have been true translations of the original Japanese ones, however, seeing as there were many other games in which the translation changed some facts (Sonic the Hedgehog and the Eggman debate anyone?), it is highly unlikely it is an interpretation of the translation. Perhapse the original manual meant cybernetic suit? Or, perhapse it was written do deceive us. Also, the later games clash with the original Metroid description. Samus had parents, nowhere it gets mentioned that Samus get a cybernetic body. Even Fusion never said that Samus got permanently fused with her suit. It would be obvious now to discard the "Samus is a cyborg" story, since it just clashes with the rest of her history. -- GaryCXJk 00:48, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
THIS IS A DUPLICATE DISCUSSION; PLEASE SEE THE ABOVE CYBORG DISCUSSION. -- Gaming King 09:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok I have got to get this off my back. Wikid, you keep reverting this paragraph.
Samus was one of the first active heroines in a video game, appearing at a time when other popular heroes, such as Mario and Link, were predominantly male and striving to rescue helpless princesses. Some games, such as Super Mario Bros. 2, added female playable characters, but these continued to exhibit exaggerated feminine characteristics. One contemporary female lead character, though less widely-known, was Alis Landale, the heroine of the first Phantasy Star role-playing game. For a time, there were few other active heroines, although the 1990s introduced the first fighting-game female, Chun-Li, and Terra Branford of Final Fantasy VI. Then, in the late 90s, Lara Croft of Tomb Raider made an impression as a female protagonist. Many feminists, however, found her extreme sexualization and unrealistic attire in a harsh environment appalling. While there are many female heroes today, a large majority of them have emulated Lara Croft’s exaggerated sexuality to appeal to a predominantly male gaming community.
Specifically the mention of Alis from Phantasy Star. I don't know why, this isn't very good paragraph structure. We're talking about Samus specifically, then out of nowhere...
One contemporary female lead character, though less widely-known, was Alis Landale, the heroine of the first Phantasy Star role-playing game. It sounds so tacked on at the last minute. I don't know why it keeps getting reverted. Why does Alis need particularly special mention in a bio about Samus? She should be used to support the fact Samus is a strong female protagonist as an example, not a special footnote.
But I don't want to argue. Instead I think we should hear from at least 3 other people to which one is preferable.
This was my reedit:
Samus was one of the first active heroines in a video game, appearing at a time when other popular heroes, such as Mario and Link, were predominantly male and striving to rescue helpless princesses. Some games, such as Super Mario Bros. 2, added female playable characters, but these continued to exhibit exaggerated feminine characteristics. There would be other strong, prolific female characters such as Alis Landale of Phantasy Star, the first fighting-game female, Chun-Li, and Terra Branford of Final Fantasy VI. Then, in the late 90s, Lara Croft of Tomb Raider made an impression as a female protagonist. Many feminists, however, found her extreme sexualization and unrealistic attire in a harsh environment appalling. While there are many female heroes today, a large majority of them have emulated Lara Croft’s exaggerated sexuality to appeal to a predominantly male gaming community.
I know its such a minor thing, but I just feel like that one minor sentence makes the whole thing sound awkward.
So what do others think? -- Kiyosuki 07:29, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
It may sound a bit callous, but does anyone else think it's time to start submitting some IPs to be banned? This revert war is getting a bit excessive -- Digital Watches 01:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
This suggestion can be discarded, because it's more of a "stylish" change, but I think that the chapter "Name Pronounciation" could fit better above "Challenge of gender roles", perhapse even above "Equipment", although it fits better below Equipment, because it is both part of the description of Samus and a point of discussion, which makes a bridge between her stats and the "controversy". -- GaryCXJk 12:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I actually don't think Samus is a silent protagonist. Most likely the reason it was put there is because most Nintendo-created protagonists are silent (Mario, Donkey Kong, Link, Kirby, etc.), but Samus I believe is an exception. Occasionally in the games (at least the ones I played, which does not include the 3D ones, but all the others), she does a narration, which I most certainly consider to be an action that a silent protagonist may not have. Therefore, I am removing her from that category. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Speyeker ( talk • contribs) 06:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
(This is in reference to a reversion I made of speculation by an anonymous user that Samus would transform between suited and survival gear forms.) We cannot say that Samus will be a transforming character in SSB:B, since the language used in the declaration is at best equivocal, and more likely indicates to the contrary. "Under certain conditions," for example, would definitely suggest that this form or mode had to be unlocked by fulfilling a set of conditions. "Remove" is the only term that suggests it might be a transformation, and this is more likely just a colourful way of announcing her entry. For instance, in SSBM every character had a different unlocking message. Dr. Mario's was some bad pun about the "Doctor is in the house", why couldn't Survival Suit Samus's be "That's a woman under there!?!" in reference to the gender confusion issue in the original Metroid? -- Tjstrf 06:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Moved this from the Dark Samus article:
Nobody, except for Metroid Prime 3: Corruption developers, etc. knows for sure if this is Dark Samus from Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, or Samus in Hyper Mode, since planetgamecube.com typed the exact words "Samus seeks to stop the spread of Phazon and eliminate its presence from the infected planets, even while she herself has been infected with Phazon and becomes increasingly affected by it as the game progresses. Her Phazon infection ties in with the gameplay, as she can now use its energy to enter “Hyper Mode” in either biped or Morph Ball form. While this power is in effect, her attacks are much more potent, but her health is in danger, and she could die if the ability is overused."
If we are unsure of the proper character being displayed, than this picture being present in an article is not appropriate. This comment also requires a citation. I'd recomend a merge of the text into this article, however. - Zero Talk 12:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
The height and weight statistics aren't really necessary, and given the dispute they're causing, and the fact that they came from the metroid 2 booklet. So much retconning happened (hair color, etc) since then that I can't imagine they're that important, so why not remove them outright and be done with it? Digital Watches 19:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
It's Grammar Nazi time... When you want to indicate posession by a singular noun that normally ends in 's', you still add an apostrophe and an 's'. You only omit the 's' for plurals. See Saxon genitive and look at the chart.
Correct: Samus's arm cannon is really cool.
Incorrect: Samus' arm cannon is really cool.
Ommitting the additional 's' is only for plurals:
Correct: Have you seen all of the bounty hunters' weapons?
I went ahead and fixed this throughout the article.
-- olanmills 12:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
1. Samus is infected by Phazon in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Where should we mention this? Here's a quotation from the latest Nintendo Power: "The Wii FPS gives the heroine new powers brought on by an injection of the volatile substance Phazon."
2. Phazon is supposed to be captiolized, yet there are many instances of uncapitolized usage in the article. I've done enough for today, can someone get it for me? :P
-- Gaming King 10:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Samus has (or had) a pet named Ponchi? What is it? What's the source? This is one thing I don't know about Metroid. :P -- Gaming King 10:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
What is up with that paragraph? Besides having a very "essay-like" title, it comes dangerously close to original research. Unless someone adds sources soon, I'm going to rewrite it completely. Phil s 10:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
I added a weasel words tag to that paragraph as it seem riddled with them. It basically makes it sound as if all video game females were major sluts before the great Samus came along and freed them all from this stereotype despite the fact that nearly every version of Samus has had some sort of scantily clad form. Not to mention it accuses other 199.126.137.209 19:45, 8 September 2006 (UTC) "While there are many female heroines today, a large majority of them have emulated Lara Croft’s exaggerated sexuality to appeal to a predominantly male gaming community." That paragraph also sounds very opinionative and biased. 199.126.137.209 19:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I took the liberty of removing this section. It has no references for things like .any feminists, however, found Croft’s extreme sexualization and unrealistic attire in a harsh environment appalling. or Samus' defiance of this stereotype is part of what makes her such a highly regarded character. These need to be fixed before this can be put back, but I don't know if they can be.-- Zxcvbnm 23:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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Samus was one of the first active heroines in a video game, appearing at a time when other popular heroes, such as Mario and Link, were predominantly male and striving to rescue helpless princesses. Some games, such as Super Mario Bros. 2, added female playable characters, but these continued to exhibit exaggerated feminine characteristics. One female lead character contemporary to Samus, albeit less widely known, was Alis Landale of the first Phantasy Star role-playing game. For a time, there were few other active heroines, although the 1990s introduced the first fighting-game female, Chun-Li. Then, in the late '90s, Lara Croft of Tomb Raider and Tifa Lockhart from Final Fantasy 7 made a huge impression on the video game industry. Many feminists, however, found Croft’s extreme sexualization and unrealistic attire in a harsh environment appalling. While there are many female heroines today, a large majority of them have emulated Lara Croft’s exaggerated sexuality to appeal to a predominantly male gaming community.
Samus' defiance of this stereotype is part of what makes her such a highly regarded character. Although Samus is definitely depicted as an attractive female, and several of the Metroid games portray her in somewhat revealing attire if one completes the game under certain time restrictions, her "normal" appearance, that most gamers associate with her is her armored power suit (though in recent years her power suit and her posturing therein have been accused of being redesigned as more femininely appealing to male gamers) citation needed, with the depictions of her without it seen as a form of fanservice. In recent games, Samus has been appearing in a blue flight suit. Although the suit is skintight, it is less revealing overall. In Super Smash Bros., hitting her with an energy attack, such as the laser gun or Ness’s lightning attack, shows her without her suit, but one can only see a highly polygonal turquoise body for a brief second. In Metroid Prime, she is never actually seen outside of her armor, but she does take off her head gear. In Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (GameCube), Samus is shown in the jumpsuit. In Metroid Prime: Hunters (Nintendo DS), she once again appears in the jumpsuit, but it is better rendered. In the upcoming Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii), Samus in the blue jumpsuit (titled "Zero-Suit Samus") is confirmed as a playable character, a la the added ending of Metroid Zero Mission.
When was it ever said she served under Adam Malkovich before the events of Metroid? There is no source for this. ( 124.121.93.4 11:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC))
I thought that Samus was a Bishōnen MALE character (this still doesn't discount the cheesecake stills either). It is a common theme in Anime to have an effete and effeminate, but highly skilled and deadly, warrior appear and act like that. It kind of junks the whole Samus-as-female concept and kind of ruins the whole article, but there you go...
The American product was marketed that way, much like the other Bishonen characters have been in America (see pretty much any translated Anime). Westerners usually get kind of turned off by that stuff, so they changed it to fit the market.
Did you see her 3D promotional artwork for Super Smash Bros. Brawl (the one where she is wearing her Zero Suit?) Does that look like any type of man to you? NeoSeifer
I started playing Metroid: Zero Mission again and the beginning of the game depicts Samus' eyes as Heterochromatic. One green eye and one blue. The Shyguy Kingdom also shows this in their ripped sprites. [1] - Zero1328 Talk? 02:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Recently, when I entered Samus' article, Jennifer Hale was listed as her VA. I always thought that Samus was a silent protagonist, much like Mario and Link, so since when has she had a VA? NeoSeifer
I was wondering on two issues about the morph ball:
1. How does the suit change into the morph ball? 2. How does Samus fit inside the morph ball?-- BigMac1212 17:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
This question, "How old is Samus?" and "How do Missiles fit into her arm cannon?" are the most frequently asked questions I've seen to date. The answer to all three are: "We will probably never find out." - MF14
Yeah. According to Pirate data files, they tried to solve the great mystery of Morph Ball but failed. Miserably. With broken bones. It's advanced Chozo technology.
Do we have to use that low resolution image in the article? It looks butt ugly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.42.147.68 ( talk • contribs)
I archived it. It got way too big.-- Atomic -Super -Suit What Have I Done?! 04:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I see that this article has been changed and even all of the old discussion is gone. Anyways, please make sure to use the possive 's correctly. This is the correct way: Samus's arm cannon is so cool. Note that there is an apostrophe and then an additional s. This is correct. See Saxon genitive for the correct way to show possession in English writing.
Anyways, I went ahead and fixed all of the possessive 's errors. I hope I didn't mess anything up. -- olanmills 19:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
So... do you mean "possessive errors" or possessives' errors?"
"Rule 1369 of interweb grammar correction: Any time you try to correct someone else, you will make a mistake yourself."
no i am not a girl but saying that most female humans do not weigh 90kg is a bit sexist, dont you think. perhaps it could be changed to say something like according to images, it apears to be with power suit insted of saying with because she is a female. just a little sugestion, but i will change it in 24 hours... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiencyclopedia.com ( talk • contribs)
Samus is typically portrayed in her suit--the only time she's seen outside of her suit in the games is during select ending sequences and the end part of Zero Mission. However, the page seems to give a different image of Samus--one of Samus outside her suit. The percentage of the pictures of Samus unsuited is too large (four out of nine counting only the ones from Metroid games). Is having a picture of the ending sequences from every single game necessary?
I concur. But we should have at least one shot of her without a suit on. Like the one where she wears her halter top and shorts. Jackson Smith 21:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
This article needs a serious tense cleanup. Are we using the past, present, or furutre tense here? I see them all at once and am confused as to how to go about editing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.169.10 ( talk • contribs)
The way the article is put makes it look like Samus has metroid DNA in Metroid Prime: Hunters. Unless I'm mistaken, the only game she has metroid DNA is Fusion. Someone fix this, I'm too lazy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Da p3n6u1n ( talk • contribs) 21:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC).
Why does some one keep changing it back? Look it's just English grammar. It's either right or it's wrong. It's not a matter of preference.
To show that Samus has possession of something, you have to use an apostrophe plus an additional s. It's a common misconception that you omit the s when the word already ends in s. That is done for pluralized words that end in s. Here are some examples:
Correct: Samus's ship is fast.
Correct: The witness's testimony is solid.
Correct: All four of my tires' treads are in good condition.
Correct: The boxes' lids are all different colors.
Incorrect: Samus' arm cannon can be upgraded.
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Saxon genitive for the correct way to show possession in English writing. —The preceding
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A Man In Black has removed the physical characteristics section of this article twice now without a reason given nor a word about it on the talk page. I think it is a worthy part of the article and should be included, at the very least there should be some discussion about it before it is deleted outright. Maybe we could move some of the data (height, weight, age, etc) into the infobox and merge the remainder into another portion of the article? I don't know of an infobox template that covers all the info, the one used for pro wrestlers seems pretty close though. How hard would it be to cobble one together out of that and the one currently on the page? Until then I'm going to re-add the section. Lando242 18:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I've fixed this problem a bit but it still needs some corrections. Lokon40 04:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
It's unencyclopedic trivia, in greater detail than we go into for real people. It's all in-universe info, describing Samus as a real person instead of a part of a fictional story. It's just not what we do here. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 21:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
How do you know its describing her as a real person? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lokon40 ( talk • contribs) 22:29, 15 March 2007
Might I add that this article is completely theories. It is impossible to tell how exactly Samus's life is laid out. All we can do is theorize untill Nintendo comes out with (god forbid) a guide to Samus's life. those who read this article may think that all this is true. BULL!!! Just a warning to all... Xenongamer 22:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't Metroid Prime 2 take place after Super Metroid? One of the Federation Trooper logs in Prime 2 states that "there is no way a lone human could destroy Zebes."
Starting the discussion for merging Samus Aran's gunship into this article ( Samus Aran). Reason being that there is a HUGE amount of unnecessary detail on the gunship article, mainly detailing the cosmetic differences between the ship's different incarnations in each game in the series. There are very few functional differences in the ship in each game - it pretty much always serves the same basic purpose, regardless of its appearance and method of propulsion.
The only major differences in terms of functionality that I'm aware of are:
The remainder of the changes between games have to do with the ship's physical design (wings or lack thereof, method of propulsion, etc.), and these things do not need to be heavily detailed. Key features, like the front window's similarity to Samus's visor, seem to always stay the same, and those could also be called out in one or two sentences.
It was argued in Talk:Samus Aran's gunship that large portions of the article are fancruft. I think fancruft might be a bit too strong a term, but I do think there's a lot of redundant info that can be condensed into a section within this article, since Samus's gunship is an integral part of her presence in the series.
Okay, I'm done. :) — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 19:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
In response to this
Well, that's what the section immediately below is for, heh. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 01:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that the majority of this page is overly-detailed plot-cruft. Since this page is about Samus, most games in the series would only warrant very brief descriptions of the game. The only games that would require more would be Zero Mission, Super Metroid, or Metroid Fusion, as they detail major events in Samus' life. Other than that, the games are basic missions for Samus. King Zeal 13:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
KieferSkunk asked about this in an edit. The Chozo referred to Samus as "the Hatchling" in three different pieces of Chozo Lore in Metroid Prime, all in Chozo Ruins (Crossway - "Hatchling's Shell", Ruined Fountain - "Hatchling", and Magma Pool - "Newborn"). The text of them all is far too big to quote here though, so feel free to check in your own copy of the game. Alternately, there's a [ FAQ] at GameFAQs that gives the text of all the lore, which would probably take less time than loading the game up. — Arrow 19:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Samus can be seen woth our her suit in almost every game
I noticed there is no trivia section for this article. Is it not necessary or something? If i is necessary, somebody please add it. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.15.28.42 ( talk • contribs)
The current picture of Samus outside of her suit is of somewhat low quality, and it doesn't really reflect her post-Zero Mission appearance, which has remained consistent up to and including Metroid Prime 3. Maybe a different image from one of the post-Zero Mission games should be inserted in its place?-- 4.242.24.180 01:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
OK, I have many issues with this article. I don't know what sources you got them from, but unless they are directly from Nintendo, I find this article to be inaccurate. According to logs through out Metroid Prime, Planet Zebes has already been destroyed. If planet Zebes is already destroyed how is it possible for Metroid Prime to take place between Metroid and Metroid 2: The Return of Samus? Explain that please.
Also, the grapple beam was not introduced until Super Metroid, which also makes an appearence at the beginning of Metroid Prime and throughout the game. Then there is the issue of the changes of ships. In Metroid Fusion, Samus Aran has a new starship borrowed from the GFS for her mission in the game, because her ship was wrecked after the X had invaded her suit/body. Technically speaking, Metroid Fusion should take place between Metroid Prime 2: Echos and Metroid Prime 3: Corrution, because in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Samus yet again has a different starship. Otherwise, Metroid Fusion is the odd one out. Finally there is the issue of Ridley. Ridley is brought back as Meta Ridley in Metroid Prime. And in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, he is brought back as Omega Ridley. How do you explain him being "plain old Ridley" in Super Metroid, if these enhancements were the case. Not to mention the fact that that Ridley makes an appearance in Metroid Fusion. Which again, I re-iterate, technically according to those cues, Metroid Fusion, could technically take place between Metroid Prime 2 and Metroid Prime 3.
There are other ideas I could cover, but these are the major issues I see as good indicators that this article is inaccurate. Anyways, if you can answer those questions, I will gladly accept the Samus Aran article for what it is. Otherwise, I find this article to be biased and based on someones shoddy sources. The sources are right there to play. If you take enough time, to absorb it all, you can put it together, that was always the great mystery of Metroid, was piecing the time line together, otherwise I feel that this article should be taken down for the fact that its sources are fan made, not creator made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RocmanRaz ( talk • contribs) 01:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
That's all and well. But quite a few of those reference links have 404 errors. Also, if you go to the Metroid: Zero Mission Official Homepage, they have a timeline there. On another note, we are not talking about Star Trek, I don't care about the Enterprise or its 7 incarnations. Samus ship is clearly destroyed at the beginning of Fusion and replaced. Now technically it can't be proven that Samus took the ship she acquired in Fusion and returned it to the GFS (thats all hypothesis), but CLEARLY Samus has a new ship in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, where I might add, you do not board the ship from the top, but rather from underneath. Which is another supporting point that says the Metroid Prime games can not take place between Metroid and Metroid 2. Another note, how can you say that "on the note of the logs, couldn't I say, "technically speaking," that mistakes/lies are occasionally placed in logs?" If there is a log in Metroid Prime talking about (as someone stated in discussion) "One of the Federation Trooper logs in Prime 2 states that "there is no way a lone human could destroy Zebes,"" how is it possible for there to be knowledge of the Planet Zebes being destroyed IF Metroid Prime takes place between Metroid and Metroid 2? Please explain that, and don't tell me someone was writing about the future in their logs. The proof is in the games, not outdated resources on the internet. But I have to agree w/the one guy in discussion, this is all based on theory, everything. Until there is an official "Guide to Samus' life" (as Xenongamer put it) its all just theory. Perhaps this article should discuss Samus Aran and not the timeline of her adventures, not to say the timeline is the majority of the article. Focus on the idea that she was the first female video game heroine. And about her origins w/the Chozo, and her power-ups. Not so much on fallible timeline based on numerous sources that say different things. That's my four cents. —Preceding
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Is Samus sometimes referred to as the "girl with the weight of the world on her shoulders?" For some reason I thought I saw that somewhere. It's also shown in the video "Haloid," but I'm pretty sure I saw that from some official nintendo thing. Drewboy64 03:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
AVKent882 02:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC) A.V. Kent You know it's amazing how much Samus' gunship looks like the alien spaceship in Flight of the Navigator (1986)...
Anyone agree?
Doesn't matter, isn't notable. Also opinion. DurinsBane87 02:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Who thinks that the recent character battle on IGN between Samus and Master Chief should be at least briefly mentioned in the article? The fact that Samus beat Master Chief seems to me like a significant indication of how popular and well-established she is compared to a character who is well-known yet a relative newcomer. Abodos 05:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Would there be any value in documenting how the character's appearance has changed? I don't mean modifications in the rendering of the power suit, Fusion notwithstanding, many of those can be attributed to improving graphics.
I'm referring to the visual portrayal of the character herself, as she has been portrayed over the series, increasingly exploring the woman beneath the suit. Mario, Sonic, Link, and other iconic characters have been largely defined for a while, but with her armor limiting our view of her, and only visible for the percentage of gamers who complete the hardest challenges, her changes have both taken longer and changed more dramatically.
Subjectively, I know many older gamers, introduced to Samus as a brunette/green haired woman in the original, have been surprised at the bright blonde version appearing in Smash Bros. Brawl, a version established in the most recent GBA game, and which is possibly going to be her commonly accepted appearance. But I've researched a bit, and while the GBA games have really defined her appearance this way, especially with the increasing entire 'reward' illustrations showing her as blonde, this has been supported increasingly in the Metroid:Prime series.
1.The original game, in which her gender was a surprise for the ending, established her as brunette (the ending)/ green (the easter egg allowing you to play with the suit off). 2.Metroid II, in black and white, gave the world its first really detailed look at Samus. She sported a bellybutton-exposing tankini, as opposed to her NES bikini top. The more detailed look gave her actual facial features. The black and white obscured the hair color, though. 3.Super Metroid shook things up a bit, with Samus gaining significant musculature, as opposed to the straight glamour shot of Metroid II (the pixilated bikini pose from the first game is graphically sparse in conveying style) and shifting her to a dark blonde/possibly orange-ish redhead.
Years of gaming silence without a Metroid game, then...
4. The Gamecube version, Metroid Prime, with a more realistic-looking world, gives a head shot, with definite tied-back blonde hair and classical facial features.
5. The GBA games of Metroid Fusion and Metroid:Zero provide several illustrations of her complete physique, and as a bright, almost bleached, blonde. Her hair has been lengthened to mid-back length, (possibly more noticably in the Japanese release endshots?), and she has traded in her bikini bottoms for 'short shorts,' retaining the more midriff-revealing halter top from Super Metroid.
Metroid:Zero Mission also introduces her appearance in the "Zero suit," a light blue, form fitting bodysuit worn under the armor. For the first time, we see Samus with a ponytail (obscured in the headshot in Prime). All of the 'reward art' has her with this hairstyle (locks of hair framing her face, but the rest of her hair tied back). This look was rendered into 3D for Prime:2 almost exactly, and appears to be the standard for the upcoming Smash Bros. Brawl, as well.
(Subtle differences exist in Samus' appearance in the DS title Prime:Hunters, story-line-wise between Prime 1 and 2 - the hair is a little darker and in a simpler, more functional ponytail. Whether this look was tailored with regard for her other appearances timeline-wise is not clear.)
In summary, there is a clear evolution of the character's appearance (although 'evolution,' implying progress, may not be the right word for such a subjective field). There may be enough changes for conversation about possible significance or meaning in the character's design to be worthwhile, in which case these changes are important. Others may view these changes as the kind of fanboy minutia that Wikipedia needs to limit or ignore. Which is why I am posting this under 'discussion,' first.-- 70.95.226.180 02:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC) Amendment: If it is of use for discussion, although probably not citation, this website does an excellent job of showing the changes: http: // www. thisischris .com / feature / 2005 / samus.html -- 70.95.226.180 02:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
The article says: "Samus is considered the first playable female character in a Nintendo game."
This is wrong. "Vs. Ladies Golf" (copyright 1984) had players controlling a female golfer. "Volleyball" (copyright 1986) had a Women's team available, and was released 16 days before Metroid in Japan. -- Dwedit 05:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
We're getting crufty again. We already deleted/transwiki'd the "Objects/Items in the Metroid Series" article, and now this article is starting to take on similar content - namely, the list of beams and suits. Do we really need to go into detail on each of Samus's individual weapons and armor suits? We can describe her beam and missile weaponry in a few sentences, mentioning that they are upgradeable in another sentence, and we can summarize the purpose of her suits without needing to outline each one. The Varia suit is arguably significant in its own right because of its general functionality and usefulness to the protagonist, and the Zero Suit is already mentioned in an appropriate manner, but if there's any need to go into detail on any of these, they should be described in their appropriate articles - for example, the Light and Dark suits only appear in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes.
Let's try to keep the cruft down, guys. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 22:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Samus has a few spoken lines in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. She says at least "try me" and "is that all?" when you use her taunts as Zero Suit Samus. Voiced by Jennifer Hale apparently. You guys might to reword a few parts of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.234.206.177 ( talk) 00:13, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I've looked through videos of the credits for the Metroid Prime games, and I haven't seen her name or Carren Learning anywhere. In addition, it's not listed in her video game roles on her website. Was there any actual documentation of her voicing Samus, because if not, the credit should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Batwing321 ( talk • contribs) 12:45, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
The Guiness Book of World Records: Gamer's edition say that the voice actor is Jennifer Hale, too. (I think) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.117.13 ( talk) 01:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
I think a nice additon would be a few more pictures. A picture of her in her Power suit would be nice(one without huge shoulder pads), an image of a sidescrolling level of Super Metroid, an image of her in her zero-suit from the MP3 ending, and an image of seeing through her visor in a Metroid Prime game. -- Timetobrawl 16:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I am pretty sure atleast an image from a sidescroller type Metroid would be important, as samus spent a great deal of time in the 2D. Timetobrawl 19:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.205.171.192 ( talk)
We could replace the MP one of her with her helmet reoved of when she reoves her helmet in a MP3 ending sequence, which is a more recent representation. Timetobrawl 11:31, 17 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.203.58.44 ( talk)
Ya know, we could use the image of her with her helmet off as seen in the MP3 ending, probably a more recent representation of her, and it is not a partial image. Timetobrawl 16:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I am just trying to see if anything can be done to improve this article, I do not want nothing but another Zero suit image, I meant that with her unmasked in MP3 you could see her appearance. just a more recent version of the image of her unmasked from the first Metroid Prime. Also, should we think of getting a 2D action shot, as the 2nd dimension is where Samus has spent most her time. Timetobrawl 16:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I was just reading the Ironman article when it hit me that Samus' armor bears a huge resembelence to Ironman's both in shape and color as well as being mounted with weapons and similar interfaces. Anybody know if Samus was based off of Ironman? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.24.105.30 ( talk) 00:22, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
The article says that she was directly based on Ellen Ripley, though Iron Man may have had some influence as well, along with Boba Fett (both Fett and Samus being planet-hopping armored bounty hunters with personal spaceships). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.165.114.247 ( talk) 14:47, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
How do you pronounce "samus"? Is it sah-mus or sam-us? -- Sphetr2 ( talk) 13:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
And according to the Japanese, and the Greek, it's "sah-mus". I think the character's creators and the culture that created the name over one millenia ago know a bit better than the English-speaking narrator for a non-canon fighting game or the English-speaking crowd used only in the English release of said game. 70.48.218.136 ( talk) 18:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't we have a list of the different Power Suits? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.206.95.207 ( talk) 01:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Please consider adding this gallery as a list of relevant photos about Samus RyanTMulligan ( talk) 16:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
← As I said, I'm not opposed to mentioning the fact that she has these abilities, but I think that we're going to open ourselves up to a repeat of that dreaded Items article if we start creating and/or including categories of characters with seemingly arbitrary qualities. In some cases, we'll run into disagreement on what constitutes superhuman speed (or another subjective quality), much less whether that aspect is particularly notable. To make it more objective in this case, the category would need to somehow reflect that the aspect is actually notable within the character's storyline, and not just an observation one can make by seeing the character in action.
This is not to say that all categories like this are inappropriate. I personally don't think the "Fictional characters with powered armor" category is really necessary, but I think it's a better category than "...with superhuman speed", since there are a number of characters you can point to that are defined by and/or rely heavily on their armor (Megaman, Master Chief, etc.). Additionally, if Samus were classified as a superhero in the same vein as Superman, I'd agree with putting her in that category. But the important point is that these things need to be clearly defined, and as notable as Samus's speed is in relation to her storyline, I don't think it's one that we can apply equally to all other characters we might consider putting in that category. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 18:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
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The new pic of Samus from Palladian - is that the Super Metroid Gravity Suit? Juding by the games I have played, it looks like it... but I can't be positive. -- Sparky the Seventh Chaos 23:21, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
The suit is the Fusion suit.It is made of Metriod cells and intact pieces of her Power suit.
Out of curiousity, does anyone know what the source for the biography information is?
I do. The metroid e-manga (japanese, search it on google), the NP metroid comic and the old black nintendo player's guide (I have a copy at home, I don't remember the exact title) But it meshes with what I know about samus, it looks good to me.
CyberSkull 02:14, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)
I've read a translation of the E-manga, but I question the validity of certain other points in the biography:
I haven't played Echoes, so I can't check the information there; could someone else who's familiar with the game check it? -- Poiuyt Man talk 01:11, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC) Echoescomes BEFORE Metriod Fusion.
Does anyone know why the chozo lore entries relating to Samus were removed in the PAL version of Metroid Prime?
I thought is was Sah-muhs Air-en. I heard that's how it was pronounced in the intro that was included in the PAL version of Metroid Prime. -- Sparky the Seventh Chaos 01:04, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)
The phrase "in the suit" appears in the stats section and this is certainly a valid statement, but I'm not sure that it's necessarily correct. This is the context that that information is taken from.
As you can see, there appears to be a pretty straightforward interpretation of those stats as it's under that particular heading, but on closer inspection I'm not so certain. A 6 ft 2in, 198 lb woman is large and imposing to be sure, but healthy and certainly not unheard of. But if those figures are Samus in her suit, she must weight what, 135 lbs, minimum? So does that mean the entire suit weighs less than 63 pounds? Futuristic alien technology, sure, but that's still pretty light. Anyway, Metroid 2 notwithstanding, is there any other information that addresses this? I'd prefer to just have the statements "Height 1m 90cm" and "Weight: 90kg" with no qualifiers if we're just going from Metroid 2 but I may be the only one who feels this way and if I am, there's obviously no reason to change it.
I did some more digging that seems to confirm that Samus is just a very big lady. Nintendo may eventually retcon it, but from the Super Metroid strategy guide and Metroid 2 manual, she's over six foot and nearly 200 pounds. Also, even though some places say 6'3" rather than 6'2", I did the calculation from 190 cm on a conversion site and got 6.23 ft, which is why I rounded down. Insomniac By Choice 05:02, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ah, good thing one of us has a brain for conversions then. My apologies. Insomniac By Choice 20:48, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Based on the information on the top, I would assume she is wearing the suit. It mentions her arm cannon, and armor. In mp2:e, you can look more closely at all of the upgrades and armor Samus posseses. When you look at the armor, the boots she is wearing have a thick heel, so I would assume that adds a little to the height. Also, It's not like the top of her helmet is pressed to her head. I would guess that there is a gap about an inch or so between her head and the top of the helmet. In the ending movie after you beat MP, she takes off her helmet. Her hair is in a ponytail, which would require having some space. Based on this, I would assume she is closer to 6' or even 5'11". I also wonder about her weight. Is that with the power suit or the varia?
ah yes....been playing MP lately......
Maybe the height is a result of human adaptation/evolution? Humans are much taller now than they were, say, 300 years ago, so wouldn't it make sense that people in the future would be taller than us?-- chris16447
Perhaps we shouldn't take the 90kg figure at face value. That guide was published a while ago, and probably was figuring in the suit as part of the weight. Perhaps using picture attained from endings and the definite height figure of 1.9m to estimate using the standard BMI scale by estimating about where she'd be on the scale from 15-40, and using the mathematical operation as indicated in the article to come about the weight, especially since Nintendo hasn't released anything (to my knowledge) that goes one way or another as to whether that figure factors in the suit. (Note: The current figures, assuming we're saying the suit isn't counted in the 90kg, is 24.9, which doesn't seem horribly bad.)
Digital Watches 23:50, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Only 200 lbs. wrapped in metal? Seems a bit light for a tall, muscular human woman in full armor. -- WikidSmaht ( talk) 12:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but it's Chozo technology. I'm pretty sure it's more advanced than human armor. Who says it's metal? It could very well be carbon nanotubes, or god-knows-what-else. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they never explicitly say that it's a pure metal suit. Plus, she was genetically enhanced, so she could be lighter or heavier than she looks in pictures. It's all up to interpretation, until they release actual specs and measurements, both in suit and out, there is no way to know for sure.
Aren't the given stats about Samus on the Metroid II context just much too open for interpretation? The way I see it, it would be ludicrous to compute or estimate for anything just because of the reason that we don't have enough info(do you have any numbers on how heavy or large her suit is?); so I think that we should also entertain the most obvious possibility that she is wearing her suit and give it proper note. User:Virgofenix
Why did the link to that song get deleted? It wasn't a promotional ad, there's nothing to promote. If any promotion at all is going on, the whole article is a promotion of the videogame and Metroid movie. The song is just something that some guy wrote and put on his school website for fun. It's not on any commercial recordings or anything like that.
Is there any evidence that Samus, is in fact a cyborg? Aside from the original instruction manual that was wrong on most other topics? (Samus is male, Mother Brain is the space pirates' leader, etc) If not, why does this artical have the "fictional cyborgs" category? Assuming that Samus is a cyborg just from that source seems to me like assuming that she is also a hermaphrodite because of the same source. User:dcomings
You DO realize, that she CAN take her suit off.In Metriod Fusion,they could not remove the suit while she was Unconscionce.
Recently the entire collection of Chozo lore from Metroid Prime has been added to the article, and portions of it existed in this article before. I believe this may not fall under fair use, due to the amount being copied word-for-word from the game. For now, I've removed the section, and instead linked to a Chozo Lore FAQ in the References section. -- Poiuyt Man talk 13:50, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
She wasn't to start with, but those pics indicate otherwise. Seriously, she is wearing just a bra and panties in the one!
I removed the statement that Nintendo made Samus female for sex appeal to help sell games. This obviously isn't true, as Samus is not revealed to be female until completion of the original Metroid. -- Pagrashtak 19:11, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I edited it a bit further--I don't see how discussing her raw sex appeal really seems NPOV, just as discussing what seems to be appropriate attire. Personally, I actually found her older Super Metroid and Metroid Fusion outfits less overtly sexual, and plenty appropriate for wearing under several layers of steel. But that sort of commentary is opinion, not fact. The edit wound up unsigned because I got logged out. Whups! Evan L. Kester 03:19, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
I made a minor edit to Samus' age, which is 20 in the first game since it takes place in 2025 (the date of 20X5) since she was supposedly born in 2005 according to Konami. -- Yahweh 4 July 2005 00:30 (UTC)
I suppose that's true. That's right, Nintendo did make the "Metroid" games. Anyhow, if the Galactic Federation was formed in their universe in the year 2000, then the events that followed should have happened within a reasonably quick amount of time one would assume, and the story says that it wasn't very long before the Space Pirates attacked and all of that. Still, 20X5 could be 2005, 2015, 2025...2095, though there are a couple of websites that I've read that believe the date to be 2025, such as www.metroid-eu.com and www.nesplayer.com, though we won't exactly know 100% for sure. One thing I have found interesting is that the 1st Mega Man game takes place only 3 years supposedly from this year...200X is what the games say, which is roughly 2008, since in "Mega Man 4" it says 20XX, which is "one year after the destruction of Gamma" ("Mega Man 3"), and MM3 takes place a few months after MM2, which is a few months after MM1. So by that 200X is only a couple years before 20XX, so 20XX must be 2010, leaving 200X to be about 2008. Just thought that was kind of interesting, and it does make sense though since "Mega Man X" is discovered on or about 21XX (2114, the date copywrited on Dr. Cain's computer in the original game), or 100 years after 2014. -- Yahweh 5 July 2005 23:09 (UTC)
The GameFAQs policy (I've been there a lot of times) forbids any direct linking to a particular FAQ File, so I had to change the link in order to avoid showing an error message (Broken Link). Therefore, I made a link to the Metroid Prime FAQ Page with a lot of FAQs pertinent to Metroid, since GameFAQs does not allow us to link directly to files.
Link Fixed. -- Vesther 4 July 2005 17:36 (UTC)
While I don't agree with the removal of the Fusion image because it's offensive, I do think that one one suitless gallery image is enough. The images obviously have some intention of being provocative, and having those all over the article doesn't really fit in the "non-sexualized" text. There are numerous depictions of Samus throughout the games, so maybe variety would be good. Why don't we use some of the Metroid Prime concept art, or some of her 3D renditions?
Also, the images should be somewhat related to the surrounding text. I placed the sprite lineup next to the list of games, since it applies to many of the Metroid games. The Fusion picture is just eye-candy, and that's probably why it was removed. It would go better next to the "Challenge of Gender roles section". However, there's already a suitless image there. -- Poiuyt Man talk 03:16, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Isn't Zero Mission chronologically seen her very first mission (considering the box at the end of the article were it says: "Chronological order: Metroid | Zero Mission | ... "), because if you read what she says in the beginning of the game: "... Now I shall finally tell the tale of my first battle here ... My so-called Zero Mission." It sounds like Zero Mission happened before Metroid (and not the other way round). Opinions on that? -- Plumcouch 22:11, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
From the article:
The Varia suit is the one with the shoulder pads, and is her most commonly viewed suit. But as shown in Metroid Prime, Super Metriod, and probably the rest of the series, the Power Suit does not have the giant ball shoulder pads.
Whenever Samus upgrades to the Varia suit, that is when she gets her shoulder pads. Check out Metriod Prime, shoulder pads in the beginning, but later on in the game when the Varia suit gets disabled, she looses the shoulder pads and gets her "old style" suit.
Perhaps in like some comic or whatever that is the story, but in all the comics and stuff I see on Metroid... samus never looses her suit (though Ridley defeats samus at one point... i think...)
Should we put explanations for each section, like in Darth Vader, or links in the titles? igordebraga ≠ 16:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
From the article:
Consider my case. I'm not a native English speaker, and I have played very little of Super Smash Bros. (to which this sentence compares the behavior to, obviously), and while I actually own SSBM, I've used Samus very little, so you could assume I'm a good substiture for someone who's a complete and utter newbie to SSBM in this respect and would like to know more...
... and this article isn't helping.
And now I look at that sentence and think "hrrrm, what does 'slippery' mean here - so overpoweringly agile nobody can hit her, or is she too difficult to control for most player? What does 'far cry from most of the other characters' mean - far off to which direction, good or bad - gets beaten by everybody, or beats everyone seven ways even if she as much as sneezes toward them?"
Could somebody please clarify that in the article? -- Wwwwolf 17:52, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I use Samus in SSBM all the time she is SO good.
In my opinion, the whole line is just an opinion. It is true that she is seen as the least popular character in SSB:M, however, but I think it's mostly due to the fact that she is less manoueverable as in the first game. I haven't even noticed anything about this slippery business, but then again, define slippery.-- GaryCXJk 20:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
The entire issue some people have with her in comparison to an average person is slightly moot because she is not entirely human. Since she has modified DNA and such, we can't really be sure of her actual weight. She even might weight ninety pounds because, although I doubt it, the Chozo blood affected her muscles in ways not stated explicitly. In Zero Misiion, she can jump disturbingly high, for example, even out of her Power Suit. So there really is no way to tell except asking nintendo, and they might not have given much thought to the issue.
Just by chance as I was looking throught the few screens of the Metroid: Hunters demo for DS, I noticed the top screen of the options page had some very small text. After a while, with a couple eye blisters, I made out that the top screen says: "Samus: The Chosen One. A child born of the race of peoples known as Hunters." now whether this is a metaphor or not, it's somewhat interesting none the less. The next screen was more difficult and I only got certain words, "(Shoulder?) ______: _______ primarily to help carry the l___ of the Hunter's ___." And finally the last screen has 2 sections but only one is ledgible, stating: "The eyes; arguably the most important tool for a hunter. Used for spotting enemies in the most (harshest?) of (terrain?)." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.58.239 ( talk • contribs) 05:19, 2005 November 30
Can someone provide a source for Samus' age being 26? -- Sparky Lurkdragon 04:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Does'nt Samus seem to look a lot like Winry from Full Metal Alchemist? The Republican 00:11, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I really noticed that at an anime convention, where I saw a plastic Winry figure, and I thought, "gee, that looks like Samus".
Holy crap! I just realized it! How did I miss that? I was looking at a screenshot from Super Smash Bros. Brawl, thinking, "Hmm... Samus looks like someone... Who was it?" Well, there it is! And what a coincidence! Metroid is my #1 obsession, and FMA is #3. (#2 is Star Wars.) -- Gaming King 09:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the info, but this is too much. Maybe you could put more info on countries...
She's definitely not a Cyborg. When it says that she was integrated with her suit...its implied in the Japanese online comic and in other Metroid mythos that the suit is meant to be a second skin. As in...it connects with her nerves and literally becomes an outer shell. She can feel what goes on outside of it. I think that when the X infected her suit...it got into her nervous system via the suit because of this and removing it while she was uncouncious would of blown her nerves out and thus, killed her. No matter what though, it is still a suit. The definition of Cyborg is that a person is distinctively comprised of mechanical parts integrated with their biological bodies. Samus connects with the suit and is close to it, but its just a suit. Samus is herself, still a totally biological being (albiet with Chozo AND Metroid DNA in her now. She may be a little more than that now.) She's as much a Cyborg as Iron Man, who is definitely not a Cyborg. (not even in the catagory) So I'm removing the cyborg catagory unless someone explains specifically how she could be a Cyborg. Robotic suits don't count.-- Kiyosuki 01:14, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I would like to add something to that. The earlier manuals *might* have been true translations of the original Japanese ones, however, seeing as there were many other games in which the translation changed some facts (Sonic the Hedgehog and the Eggman debate anyone?), it is highly unlikely it is an interpretation of the translation. Perhapse the original manual meant cybernetic suit? Or, perhapse it was written do deceive us. Also, the later games clash with the original Metroid description. Samus had parents, nowhere it gets mentioned that Samus get a cybernetic body. Even Fusion never said that Samus got permanently fused with her suit. It would be obvious now to discard the "Samus is a cyborg" story, since it just clashes with the rest of her history. -- GaryCXJk 00:48, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
THIS IS A DUPLICATE DISCUSSION; PLEASE SEE THE ABOVE CYBORG DISCUSSION. -- Gaming King 09:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok I have got to get this off my back. Wikid, you keep reverting this paragraph.
Samus was one of the first active heroines in a video game, appearing at a time when other popular heroes, such as Mario and Link, were predominantly male and striving to rescue helpless princesses. Some games, such as Super Mario Bros. 2, added female playable characters, but these continued to exhibit exaggerated feminine characteristics. One contemporary female lead character, though less widely-known, was Alis Landale, the heroine of the first Phantasy Star role-playing game. For a time, there were few other active heroines, although the 1990s introduced the first fighting-game female, Chun-Li, and Terra Branford of Final Fantasy VI. Then, in the late 90s, Lara Croft of Tomb Raider made an impression as a female protagonist. Many feminists, however, found her extreme sexualization and unrealistic attire in a harsh environment appalling. While there are many female heroes today, a large majority of them have emulated Lara Croft’s exaggerated sexuality to appeal to a predominantly male gaming community.
Specifically the mention of Alis from Phantasy Star. I don't know why, this isn't very good paragraph structure. We're talking about Samus specifically, then out of nowhere...
One contemporary female lead character, though less widely-known, was Alis Landale, the heroine of the first Phantasy Star role-playing game. It sounds so tacked on at the last minute. I don't know why it keeps getting reverted. Why does Alis need particularly special mention in a bio about Samus? She should be used to support the fact Samus is a strong female protagonist as an example, not a special footnote.
But I don't want to argue. Instead I think we should hear from at least 3 other people to which one is preferable.
This was my reedit:
Samus was one of the first active heroines in a video game, appearing at a time when other popular heroes, such as Mario and Link, were predominantly male and striving to rescue helpless princesses. Some games, such as Super Mario Bros. 2, added female playable characters, but these continued to exhibit exaggerated feminine characteristics. There would be other strong, prolific female characters such as Alis Landale of Phantasy Star, the first fighting-game female, Chun-Li, and Terra Branford of Final Fantasy VI. Then, in the late 90s, Lara Croft of Tomb Raider made an impression as a female protagonist. Many feminists, however, found her extreme sexualization and unrealistic attire in a harsh environment appalling. While there are many female heroes today, a large majority of them have emulated Lara Croft’s exaggerated sexuality to appeal to a predominantly male gaming community.
I know its such a minor thing, but I just feel like that one minor sentence makes the whole thing sound awkward.
So what do others think? -- Kiyosuki 07:29, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
It may sound a bit callous, but does anyone else think it's time to start submitting some IPs to be banned? This revert war is getting a bit excessive -- Digital Watches 01:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
This suggestion can be discarded, because it's more of a "stylish" change, but I think that the chapter "Name Pronounciation" could fit better above "Challenge of gender roles", perhapse even above "Equipment", although it fits better below Equipment, because it is both part of the description of Samus and a point of discussion, which makes a bridge between her stats and the "controversy". -- GaryCXJk 12:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I actually don't think Samus is a silent protagonist. Most likely the reason it was put there is because most Nintendo-created protagonists are silent (Mario, Donkey Kong, Link, Kirby, etc.), but Samus I believe is an exception. Occasionally in the games (at least the ones I played, which does not include the 3D ones, but all the others), she does a narration, which I most certainly consider to be an action that a silent protagonist may not have. Therefore, I am removing her from that category. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Speyeker ( talk • contribs) 06:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
(This is in reference to a reversion I made of speculation by an anonymous user that Samus would transform between suited and survival gear forms.) We cannot say that Samus will be a transforming character in SSB:B, since the language used in the declaration is at best equivocal, and more likely indicates to the contrary. "Under certain conditions," for example, would definitely suggest that this form or mode had to be unlocked by fulfilling a set of conditions. "Remove" is the only term that suggests it might be a transformation, and this is more likely just a colourful way of announcing her entry. For instance, in SSBM every character had a different unlocking message. Dr. Mario's was some bad pun about the "Doctor is in the house", why couldn't Survival Suit Samus's be "That's a woman under there!?!" in reference to the gender confusion issue in the original Metroid? -- Tjstrf 06:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Moved this from the Dark Samus article:
Nobody, except for Metroid Prime 3: Corruption developers, etc. knows for sure if this is Dark Samus from Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, or Samus in Hyper Mode, since planetgamecube.com typed the exact words "Samus seeks to stop the spread of Phazon and eliminate its presence from the infected planets, even while she herself has been infected with Phazon and becomes increasingly affected by it as the game progresses. Her Phazon infection ties in with the gameplay, as she can now use its energy to enter “Hyper Mode” in either biped or Morph Ball form. While this power is in effect, her attacks are much more potent, but her health is in danger, and she could die if the ability is overused."
If we are unsure of the proper character being displayed, than this picture being present in an article is not appropriate. This comment also requires a citation. I'd recomend a merge of the text into this article, however. - Zero Talk 12:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
The height and weight statistics aren't really necessary, and given the dispute they're causing, and the fact that they came from the metroid 2 booklet. So much retconning happened (hair color, etc) since then that I can't imagine they're that important, so why not remove them outright and be done with it? Digital Watches 19:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
It's Grammar Nazi time... When you want to indicate posession by a singular noun that normally ends in 's', you still add an apostrophe and an 's'. You only omit the 's' for plurals. See Saxon genitive and look at the chart.
Correct: Samus's arm cannon is really cool.
Incorrect: Samus' arm cannon is really cool.
Ommitting the additional 's' is only for plurals:
Correct: Have you seen all of the bounty hunters' weapons?
I went ahead and fixed this throughout the article.
-- olanmills 12:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
1. Samus is infected by Phazon in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Where should we mention this? Here's a quotation from the latest Nintendo Power: "The Wii FPS gives the heroine new powers brought on by an injection of the volatile substance Phazon."
2. Phazon is supposed to be captiolized, yet there are many instances of uncapitolized usage in the article. I've done enough for today, can someone get it for me? :P
-- Gaming King 10:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Samus has (or had) a pet named Ponchi? What is it? What's the source? This is one thing I don't know about Metroid. :P -- Gaming King 10:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
What is up with that paragraph? Besides having a very "essay-like" title, it comes dangerously close to original research. Unless someone adds sources soon, I'm going to rewrite it completely. Phil s 10:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
I added a weasel words tag to that paragraph as it seem riddled with them. It basically makes it sound as if all video game females were major sluts before the great Samus came along and freed them all from this stereotype despite the fact that nearly every version of Samus has had some sort of scantily clad form. Not to mention it accuses other 199.126.137.209 19:45, 8 September 2006 (UTC) "While there are many female heroines today, a large majority of them have emulated Lara Croft’s exaggerated sexuality to appeal to a predominantly male gaming community." That paragraph also sounds very opinionative and biased. 199.126.137.209 19:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I took the liberty of removing this section. It has no references for things like .any feminists, however, found Croft’s extreme sexualization and unrealistic attire in a harsh environment appalling. or Samus' defiance of this stereotype is part of what makes her such a highly regarded character. These need to be fixed before this can be put back, but I don't know if they can be.-- Zxcvbnm 23:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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Samus was one of the first active heroines in a video game, appearing at a time when other popular heroes, such as Mario and Link, were predominantly male and striving to rescue helpless princesses. Some games, such as Super Mario Bros. 2, added female playable characters, but these continued to exhibit exaggerated feminine characteristics. One female lead character contemporary to Samus, albeit less widely known, was Alis Landale of the first Phantasy Star role-playing game. For a time, there were few other active heroines, although the 1990s introduced the first fighting-game female, Chun-Li. Then, in the late '90s, Lara Croft of Tomb Raider and Tifa Lockhart from Final Fantasy 7 made a huge impression on the video game industry. Many feminists, however, found Croft’s extreme sexualization and unrealistic attire in a harsh environment appalling. While there are many female heroines today, a large majority of them have emulated Lara Croft’s exaggerated sexuality to appeal to a predominantly male gaming community.
Samus' defiance of this stereotype is part of what makes her such a highly regarded character. Although Samus is definitely depicted as an attractive female, and several of the Metroid games portray her in somewhat revealing attire if one completes the game under certain time restrictions, her "normal" appearance, that most gamers associate with her is her armored power suit (though in recent years her power suit and her posturing therein have been accused of being redesigned as more femininely appealing to male gamers) citation needed, with the depictions of her without it seen as a form of fanservice. In recent games, Samus has been appearing in a blue flight suit. Although the suit is skintight, it is less revealing overall. In Super Smash Bros., hitting her with an energy attack, such as the laser gun or Ness’s lightning attack, shows her without her suit, but one can only see a highly polygonal turquoise body for a brief second. In Metroid Prime, she is never actually seen outside of her armor, but she does take off her head gear. In Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (GameCube), Samus is shown in the jumpsuit. In Metroid Prime: Hunters (Nintendo DS), she once again appears in the jumpsuit, but it is better rendered. In the upcoming Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii), Samus in the blue jumpsuit (titled "Zero-Suit Samus") is confirmed as a playable character, a la the added ending of Metroid Zero Mission.
When was it ever said she served under Adam Malkovich before the events of Metroid? There is no source for this. ( 124.121.93.4 11:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC))
I thought that Samus was a Bishōnen MALE character (this still doesn't discount the cheesecake stills either). It is a common theme in Anime to have an effete and effeminate, but highly skilled and deadly, warrior appear and act like that. It kind of junks the whole Samus-as-female concept and kind of ruins the whole article, but there you go...
The American product was marketed that way, much like the other Bishonen characters have been in America (see pretty much any translated Anime). Westerners usually get kind of turned off by that stuff, so they changed it to fit the market.
Did you see her 3D promotional artwork for Super Smash Bros. Brawl (the one where she is wearing her Zero Suit?) Does that look like any type of man to you? NeoSeifer
I started playing Metroid: Zero Mission again and the beginning of the game depicts Samus' eyes as Heterochromatic. One green eye and one blue. The Shyguy Kingdom also shows this in their ripped sprites. [1] - Zero1328 Talk? 02:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Recently, when I entered Samus' article, Jennifer Hale was listed as her VA. I always thought that Samus was a silent protagonist, much like Mario and Link, so since when has she had a VA? NeoSeifer
I was wondering on two issues about the morph ball:
1. How does the suit change into the morph ball? 2. How does Samus fit inside the morph ball?-- BigMac1212 17:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
This question, "How old is Samus?" and "How do Missiles fit into her arm cannon?" are the most frequently asked questions I've seen to date. The answer to all three are: "We will probably never find out." - MF14
Yeah. According to Pirate data files, they tried to solve the great mystery of Morph Ball but failed. Miserably. With broken bones. It's advanced Chozo technology.
Do we have to use that low resolution image in the article? It looks butt ugly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.42.147.68 ( talk • contribs)
I archived it. It got way too big.-- Atomic -Super -Suit What Have I Done?! 04:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I see that this article has been changed and even all of the old discussion is gone. Anyways, please make sure to use the possive 's correctly. This is the correct way: Samus's arm cannon is so cool. Note that there is an apostrophe and then an additional s. This is correct. See Saxon genitive for the correct way to show possession in English writing.
Anyways, I went ahead and fixed all of the possessive 's errors. I hope I didn't mess anything up. -- olanmills 19:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
So... do you mean "possessive errors" or possessives' errors?"
"Rule 1369 of interweb grammar correction: Any time you try to correct someone else, you will make a mistake yourself."
no i am not a girl but saying that most female humans do not weigh 90kg is a bit sexist, dont you think. perhaps it could be changed to say something like according to images, it apears to be with power suit insted of saying with because she is a female. just a little sugestion, but i will change it in 24 hours... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiencyclopedia.com ( talk • contribs)
Samus is typically portrayed in her suit--the only time she's seen outside of her suit in the games is during select ending sequences and the end part of Zero Mission. However, the page seems to give a different image of Samus--one of Samus outside her suit. The percentage of the pictures of Samus unsuited is too large (four out of nine counting only the ones from Metroid games). Is having a picture of the ending sequences from every single game necessary?
I concur. But we should have at least one shot of her without a suit on. Like the one where she wears her halter top and shorts. Jackson Smith 21:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
This article needs a serious tense cleanup. Are we using the past, present, or furutre tense here? I see them all at once and am confused as to how to go about editing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.169.10 ( talk • contribs)
The way the article is put makes it look like Samus has metroid DNA in Metroid Prime: Hunters. Unless I'm mistaken, the only game she has metroid DNA is Fusion. Someone fix this, I'm too lazy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Da p3n6u1n ( talk • contribs) 21:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC).
Why does some one keep changing it back? Look it's just English grammar. It's either right or it's wrong. It's not a matter of preference.
To show that Samus has possession of something, you have to use an apostrophe plus an additional s. It's a common misconception that you omit the s when the word already ends in s. That is done for pluralized words that end in s. Here are some examples:
Correct: Samus's ship is fast.
Correct: The witness's testimony is solid.
Correct: All four of my tires' treads are in good condition.
Correct: The boxes' lids are all different colors.
Incorrect: Samus' arm cannon can be upgraded.
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Saxon genitive for the correct way to show possession in English writing. —The preceding
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A Man In Black has removed the physical characteristics section of this article twice now without a reason given nor a word about it on the talk page. I think it is a worthy part of the article and should be included, at the very least there should be some discussion about it before it is deleted outright. Maybe we could move some of the data (height, weight, age, etc) into the infobox and merge the remainder into another portion of the article? I don't know of an infobox template that covers all the info, the one used for pro wrestlers seems pretty close though. How hard would it be to cobble one together out of that and the one currently on the page? Until then I'm going to re-add the section. Lando242 18:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I've fixed this problem a bit but it still needs some corrections. Lokon40 04:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
It's unencyclopedic trivia, in greater detail than we go into for real people. It's all in-universe info, describing Samus as a real person instead of a part of a fictional story. It's just not what we do here. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 21:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
How do you know its describing her as a real person? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lokon40 ( talk • contribs) 22:29, 15 March 2007
Might I add that this article is completely theories. It is impossible to tell how exactly Samus's life is laid out. All we can do is theorize untill Nintendo comes out with (god forbid) a guide to Samus's life. those who read this article may think that all this is true. BULL!!! Just a warning to all... Xenongamer 22:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't Metroid Prime 2 take place after Super Metroid? One of the Federation Trooper logs in Prime 2 states that "there is no way a lone human could destroy Zebes."
Starting the discussion for merging Samus Aran's gunship into this article ( Samus Aran). Reason being that there is a HUGE amount of unnecessary detail on the gunship article, mainly detailing the cosmetic differences between the ship's different incarnations in each game in the series. There are very few functional differences in the ship in each game - it pretty much always serves the same basic purpose, regardless of its appearance and method of propulsion.
The only major differences in terms of functionality that I'm aware of are:
The remainder of the changes between games have to do with the ship's physical design (wings or lack thereof, method of propulsion, etc.), and these things do not need to be heavily detailed. Key features, like the front window's similarity to Samus's visor, seem to always stay the same, and those could also be called out in one or two sentences.
It was argued in Talk:Samus Aran's gunship that large portions of the article are fancruft. I think fancruft might be a bit too strong a term, but I do think there's a lot of redundant info that can be condensed into a section within this article, since Samus's gunship is an integral part of her presence in the series.
Okay, I'm done. :) — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 19:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
In response to this
Well, that's what the section immediately below is for, heh. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 01:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that the majority of this page is overly-detailed plot-cruft. Since this page is about Samus, most games in the series would only warrant very brief descriptions of the game. The only games that would require more would be Zero Mission, Super Metroid, or Metroid Fusion, as they detail major events in Samus' life. Other than that, the games are basic missions for Samus. King Zeal 13:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
KieferSkunk asked about this in an edit. The Chozo referred to Samus as "the Hatchling" in three different pieces of Chozo Lore in Metroid Prime, all in Chozo Ruins (Crossway - "Hatchling's Shell", Ruined Fountain - "Hatchling", and Magma Pool - "Newborn"). The text of them all is far too big to quote here though, so feel free to check in your own copy of the game. Alternately, there's a [ FAQ] at GameFAQs that gives the text of all the lore, which would probably take less time than loading the game up. — Arrow 19:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Samus can be seen woth our her suit in almost every game
I noticed there is no trivia section for this article. Is it not necessary or something? If i is necessary, somebody please add it. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.15.28.42 ( talk • contribs)
The current picture of Samus outside of her suit is of somewhat low quality, and it doesn't really reflect her post-Zero Mission appearance, which has remained consistent up to and including Metroid Prime 3. Maybe a different image from one of the post-Zero Mission games should be inserted in its place?-- 4.242.24.180 01:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
OK, I have many issues with this article. I don't know what sources you got them from, but unless they are directly from Nintendo, I find this article to be inaccurate. According to logs through out Metroid Prime, Planet Zebes has already been destroyed. If planet Zebes is already destroyed how is it possible for Metroid Prime to take place between Metroid and Metroid 2: The Return of Samus? Explain that please.
Also, the grapple beam was not introduced until Super Metroid, which also makes an appearence at the beginning of Metroid Prime and throughout the game. Then there is the issue of the changes of ships. In Metroid Fusion, Samus Aran has a new starship borrowed from the GFS for her mission in the game, because her ship was wrecked after the X had invaded her suit/body. Technically speaking, Metroid Fusion should take place between Metroid Prime 2: Echos and Metroid Prime 3: Corrution, because in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Samus yet again has a different starship. Otherwise, Metroid Fusion is the odd one out. Finally there is the issue of Ridley. Ridley is brought back as Meta Ridley in Metroid Prime. And in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, he is brought back as Omega Ridley. How do you explain him being "plain old Ridley" in Super Metroid, if these enhancements were the case. Not to mention the fact that that Ridley makes an appearance in Metroid Fusion. Which again, I re-iterate, technically according to those cues, Metroid Fusion, could technically take place between Metroid Prime 2 and Metroid Prime 3.
There are other ideas I could cover, but these are the major issues I see as good indicators that this article is inaccurate. Anyways, if you can answer those questions, I will gladly accept the Samus Aran article for what it is. Otherwise, I find this article to be biased and based on someones shoddy sources. The sources are right there to play. If you take enough time, to absorb it all, you can put it together, that was always the great mystery of Metroid, was piecing the time line together, otherwise I feel that this article should be taken down for the fact that its sources are fan made, not creator made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RocmanRaz ( talk • contribs) 01:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
That's all and well. But quite a few of those reference links have 404 errors. Also, if you go to the Metroid: Zero Mission Official Homepage, they have a timeline there. On another note, we are not talking about Star Trek, I don't care about the Enterprise or its 7 incarnations. Samus ship is clearly destroyed at the beginning of Fusion and replaced. Now technically it can't be proven that Samus took the ship she acquired in Fusion and returned it to the GFS (thats all hypothesis), but CLEARLY Samus has a new ship in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, where I might add, you do not board the ship from the top, but rather from underneath. Which is another supporting point that says the Metroid Prime games can not take place between Metroid and Metroid 2. Another note, how can you say that "on the note of the logs, couldn't I say, "technically speaking," that mistakes/lies are occasionally placed in logs?" If there is a log in Metroid Prime talking about (as someone stated in discussion) "One of the Federation Trooper logs in Prime 2 states that "there is no way a lone human could destroy Zebes,"" how is it possible for there to be knowledge of the Planet Zebes being destroyed IF Metroid Prime takes place between Metroid and Metroid 2? Please explain that, and don't tell me someone was writing about the future in their logs. The proof is in the games, not outdated resources on the internet. But I have to agree w/the one guy in discussion, this is all based on theory, everything. Until there is an official "Guide to Samus' life" (as Xenongamer put it) its all just theory. Perhaps this article should discuss Samus Aran and not the timeline of her adventures, not to say the timeline is the majority of the article. Focus on the idea that she was the first female video game heroine. And about her origins w/the Chozo, and her power-ups. Not so much on fallible timeline based on numerous sources that say different things. That's my four cents. —Preceding
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12:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Is Samus sometimes referred to as the "girl with the weight of the world on her shoulders?" For some reason I thought I saw that somewhere. It's also shown in the video "Haloid," but I'm pretty sure I saw that from some official nintendo thing. Drewboy64 03:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
AVKent882 02:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC) A.V. Kent You know it's amazing how much Samus' gunship looks like the alien spaceship in Flight of the Navigator (1986)...
Anyone agree?
Doesn't matter, isn't notable. Also opinion. DurinsBane87 02:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Who thinks that the recent character battle on IGN between Samus and Master Chief should be at least briefly mentioned in the article? The fact that Samus beat Master Chief seems to me like a significant indication of how popular and well-established she is compared to a character who is well-known yet a relative newcomer. Abodos 05:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Would there be any value in documenting how the character's appearance has changed? I don't mean modifications in the rendering of the power suit, Fusion notwithstanding, many of those can be attributed to improving graphics.
I'm referring to the visual portrayal of the character herself, as she has been portrayed over the series, increasingly exploring the woman beneath the suit. Mario, Sonic, Link, and other iconic characters have been largely defined for a while, but with her armor limiting our view of her, and only visible for the percentage of gamers who complete the hardest challenges, her changes have both taken longer and changed more dramatically.
Subjectively, I know many older gamers, introduced to Samus as a brunette/green haired woman in the original, have been surprised at the bright blonde version appearing in Smash Bros. Brawl, a version established in the most recent GBA game, and which is possibly going to be her commonly accepted appearance. But I've researched a bit, and while the GBA games have really defined her appearance this way, especially with the increasing entire 'reward' illustrations showing her as blonde, this has been supported increasingly in the Metroid:Prime series.
1.The original game, in which her gender was a surprise for the ending, established her as brunette (the ending)/ green (the easter egg allowing you to play with the suit off). 2.Metroid II, in black and white, gave the world its first really detailed look at Samus. She sported a bellybutton-exposing tankini, as opposed to her NES bikini top. The more detailed look gave her actual facial features. The black and white obscured the hair color, though. 3.Super Metroid shook things up a bit, with Samus gaining significant musculature, as opposed to the straight glamour shot of Metroid II (the pixilated bikini pose from the first game is graphically sparse in conveying style) and shifting her to a dark blonde/possibly orange-ish redhead.
Years of gaming silence without a Metroid game, then...
4. The Gamecube version, Metroid Prime, with a more realistic-looking world, gives a head shot, with definite tied-back blonde hair and classical facial features.
5. The GBA games of Metroid Fusion and Metroid:Zero provide several illustrations of her complete physique, and as a bright, almost bleached, blonde. Her hair has been lengthened to mid-back length, (possibly more noticably in the Japanese release endshots?), and she has traded in her bikini bottoms for 'short shorts,' retaining the more midriff-revealing halter top from Super Metroid.
Metroid:Zero Mission also introduces her appearance in the "Zero suit," a light blue, form fitting bodysuit worn under the armor. For the first time, we see Samus with a ponytail (obscured in the headshot in Prime). All of the 'reward art' has her with this hairstyle (locks of hair framing her face, but the rest of her hair tied back). This look was rendered into 3D for Prime:2 almost exactly, and appears to be the standard for the upcoming Smash Bros. Brawl, as well.
(Subtle differences exist in Samus' appearance in the DS title Prime:Hunters, story-line-wise between Prime 1 and 2 - the hair is a little darker and in a simpler, more functional ponytail. Whether this look was tailored with regard for her other appearances timeline-wise is not clear.)
In summary, there is a clear evolution of the character's appearance (although 'evolution,' implying progress, may not be the right word for such a subjective field). There may be enough changes for conversation about possible significance or meaning in the character's design to be worthwhile, in which case these changes are important. Others may view these changes as the kind of fanboy minutia that Wikipedia needs to limit or ignore. Which is why I am posting this under 'discussion,' first.-- 70.95.226.180 02:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC) Amendment: If it is of use for discussion, although probably not citation, this website does an excellent job of showing the changes: http: // www. thisischris .com / feature / 2005 / samus.html -- 70.95.226.180 02:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
The article says: "Samus is considered the first playable female character in a Nintendo game."
This is wrong. "Vs. Ladies Golf" (copyright 1984) had players controlling a female golfer. "Volleyball" (copyright 1986) had a Women's team available, and was released 16 days before Metroid in Japan. -- Dwedit 05:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
We're getting crufty again. We already deleted/transwiki'd the "Objects/Items in the Metroid Series" article, and now this article is starting to take on similar content - namely, the list of beams and suits. Do we really need to go into detail on each of Samus's individual weapons and armor suits? We can describe her beam and missile weaponry in a few sentences, mentioning that they are upgradeable in another sentence, and we can summarize the purpose of her suits without needing to outline each one. The Varia suit is arguably significant in its own right because of its general functionality and usefulness to the protagonist, and the Zero Suit is already mentioned in an appropriate manner, but if there's any need to go into detail on any of these, they should be described in their appropriate articles - for example, the Light and Dark suits only appear in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes.
Let's try to keep the cruft down, guys. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 22:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Samus has a few spoken lines in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. She says at least "try me" and "is that all?" when you use her taunts as Zero Suit Samus. Voiced by Jennifer Hale apparently. You guys might to reword a few parts of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.234.206.177 ( talk) 00:13, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I've looked through videos of the credits for the Metroid Prime games, and I haven't seen her name or Carren Learning anywhere. In addition, it's not listed in her video game roles on her website. Was there any actual documentation of her voicing Samus, because if not, the credit should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Batwing321 ( talk • contribs) 12:45, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
The Guiness Book of World Records: Gamer's edition say that the voice actor is Jennifer Hale, too. (I think) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.117.13 ( talk) 01:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
I think a nice additon would be a few more pictures. A picture of her in her Power suit would be nice(one without huge shoulder pads), an image of a sidescrolling level of Super Metroid, an image of her in her zero-suit from the MP3 ending, and an image of seeing through her visor in a Metroid Prime game. -- Timetobrawl 16:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I am pretty sure atleast an image from a sidescroller type Metroid would be important, as samus spent a great deal of time in the 2D. Timetobrawl 19:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.205.171.192 ( talk)
We could replace the MP one of her with her helmet reoved of when she reoves her helmet in a MP3 ending sequence, which is a more recent representation. Timetobrawl 11:31, 17 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.203.58.44 ( talk)
Ya know, we could use the image of her with her helmet off as seen in the MP3 ending, probably a more recent representation of her, and it is not a partial image. Timetobrawl 16:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I am just trying to see if anything can be done to improve this article, I do not want nothing but another Zero suit image, I meant that with her unmasked in MP3 you could see her appearance. just a more recent version of the image of her unmasked from the first Metroid Prime. Also, should we think of getting a 2D action shot, as the 2nd dimension is where Samus has spent most her time. Timetobrawl 16:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I was just reading the Ironman article when it hit me that Samus' armor bears a huge resembelence to Ironman's both in shape and color as well as being mounted with weapons and similar interfaces. Anybody know if Samus was based off of Ironman? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.24.105.30 ( talk) 00:22, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
The article says that she was directly based on Ellen Ripley, though Iron Man may have had some influence as well, along with Boba Fett (both Fett and Samus being planet-hopping armored bounty hunters with personal spaceships). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.165.114.247 ( talk) 14:47, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
How do you pronounce "samus"? Is it sah-mus or sam-us? -- Sphetr2 ( talk) 13:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
And according to the Japanese, and the Greek, it's "sah-mus". I think the character's creators and the culture that created the name over one millenia ago know a bit better than the English-speaking narrator for a non-canon fighting game or the English-speaking crowd used only in the English release of said game. 70.48.218.136 ( talk) 18:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't we have a list of the different Power Suits? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.206.95.207 ( talk) 01:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Please consider adding this gallery as a list of relevant photos about Samus RyanTMulligan ( talk) 16:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
← As I said, I'm not opposed to mentioning the fact that she has these abilities, but I think that we're going to open ourselves up to a repeat of that dreaded Items article if we start creating and/or including categories of characters with seemingly arbitrary qualities. In some cases, we'll run into disagreement on what constitutes superhuman speed (or another subjective quality), much less whether that aspect is particularly notable. To make it more objective in this case, the category would need to somehow reflect that the aspect is actually notable within the character's storyline, and not just an observation one can make by seeing the character in action.
This is not to say that all categories like this are inappropriate. I personally don't think the "Fictional characters with powered armor" category is really necessary, but I think it's a better category than "...with superhuman speed", since there are a number of characters you can point to that are defined by and/or rely heavily on their armor (Megaman, Master Chief, etc.). Additionally, if Samus were classified as a superhero in the same vein as Superman, I'd agree with putting her in that category. But the important point is that these things need to be clearly defined, and as notable as Samus's speed is in relation to her storyline, I don't think it's one that we can apply equally to all other characters we might consider putting in that category. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 18:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)