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I've made a bunch of small changes to this article to eliminate some very pro-Mormon POV. I think the article should be clear about whom Mormons believe Samuel the Lamanite is, however it should also mention prominently that non LDS historians dispute that lamanites ever existed. I do not intend to dwell on the dubious historicity of this story, rather I think we should be clear that we are attempting to describe a doctrine that is exclusive to the Mormon faith. -- Salimfadhley ( talk) 22:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Not so long ago, I added the text "The existence of the Lamanites is not generally accepted by non-LDS historians or archaeologists." - the rationale for this is that according to non LDS historians the most significant fact about the Lamanites is that they do not exist. I think this article gives undue weight to a minority view. All we need to do to restore NPOV is mention that this is indeed a minority view, and then we can get on with the article.
There are some characters in religious scripture who almost certainly did exist (e.g. Mohammed, L Ron Hubbard) - there are others who might have existed (Jesus, Abraham, Pontius Pilate ) and some like Samuel the Lamanite for whom no independent evidence at all exists. That is why I felt that it was important to point out that the Lamanites (of whom this Samuel belonged) are almost certainly a fictional race and therefore Samuel the Lamanite is an entirely fictional character.
To me this would be like writing a biography for "Wolverine" from the X-Men without ever mentioning that the X-men are fictional characters in a comic-book.
Unless you object, I'd like to put my change back! -- Salimfadhley ( talk) 12:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
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I've made a bunch of small changes to this article to eliminate some very pro-Mormon POV. I think the article should be clear about whom Mormons believe Samuel the Lamanite is, however it should also mention prominently that non LDS historians dispute that lamanites ever existed. I do not intend to dwell on the dubious historicity of this story, rather I think we should be clear that we are attempting to describe a doctrine that is exclusive to the Mormon faith. -- Salimfadhley ( talk) 22:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Not so long ago, I added the text "The existence of the Lamanites is not generally accepted by non-LDS historians or archaeologists." - the rationale for this is that according to non LDS historians the most significant fact about the Lamanites is that they do not exist. I think this article gives undue weight to a minority view. All we need to do to restore NPOV is mention that this is indeed a minority view, and then we can get on with the article.
There are some characters in religious scripture who almost certainly did exist (e.g. Mohammed, L Ron Hubbard) - there are others who might have existed (Jesus, Abraham, Pontius Pilate ) and some like Samuel the Lamanite for whom no independent evidence at all exists. That is why I felt that it was important to point out that the Lamanites (of whom this Samuel belonged) are almost certainly a fictional race and therefore Samuel the Lamanite is an entirely fictional character.
To me this would be like writing a biography for "Wolverine" from the X-Men without ever mentioning that the X-men are fictional characters in a comic-book.
Unless you object, I'd like to put my change back! -- Salimfadhley ( talk) 12:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
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