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The caricature represented in the article as "A cartoon image representing Wilberforce during the Huxley-Wilberforce debate that was published in Vanity Fair" is almost certainly a caricature not of Wilberforce, but of Huxley: compare the face of the caricature to the photograph of Thomas Huxley on the Wikipedia page for Huxley. Thet resemblance is close. The humor of the drawing apparently depended on dressing up Huxley in the robes of his opponent, Bishop Wilberforce.
Someone with access to the original drawing in context, or with other definite historical knowledge of this question, should review this point. If the caricature does depict Huxley, not Wilberforce, then it should be removed from the Wilberforce page. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Larry Gilman ( talk • contribs) 13 July 2007
In this article it is said that Wilberforce questions wether Huxley's mother or father was descended from a monkey. However in the Wiki article the word Ape is used rather than Monkey. someone needs to find out wether it is an Ape or Monkey. Persiancowboy 23:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
This is a non-rhetorical thought. This text:
Now observe the link: it links to a chemical process producing soap... Now, does such a link add to the sentence? No! (?) Preferrably a link to metaphorical usage of the words "oleaginous" and "saponaceous" would be advantageous, but probably such articles don't exist... Instead maybe links to Wiktionary, that actually may describe such usages of these words? ... said: Rursus ( bork²) 10:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I went looking for things I had read in Omni magazine about Soapy Sam. One, that he was called 'Slippery Sam' in the US. Also an account of what transpired between Darwin and Wilberforce that gave dignity to them both, which showed Sam's comments on Darwin's theories as being received with a measured and even appreciative tone, Darwin noting that Samuel had pointed out the very parts of Darwin's theory that Darwin himself had felt most weak.
Instead I found this:
Upon hearing the news that Wilberforce had died after sustaining a head injury falling from a horse, Huxley acerbically responded that at last the bishop’s brain had come into contact with reality.
Oh well.
Anarchangel (
talk)
17:32, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
The idea is that Wilberforce asked Huxley in their debate if he claimed ancestry to a monkey through his grandmother or grandfather, and that Wilberfoce basically destroyed him in his response. All this, however, is a later fabrication and historians agree that there's no evidence to know anything of what went on in the debate. I added this fact to the article. 64.229.115.87 ( talk) 18:15, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
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The caricature represented in the article as "A cartoon image representing Wilberforce during the Huxley-Wilberforce debate that was published in Vanity Fair" is almost certainly a caricature not of Wilberforce, but of Huxley: compare the face of the caricature to the photograph of Thomas Huxley on the Wikipedia page for Huxley. Thet resemblance is close. The humor of the drawing apparently depended on dressing up Huxley in the robes of his opponent, Bishop Wilberforce.
Someone with access to the original drawing in context, or with other definite historical knowledge of this question, should review this point. If the caricature does depict Huxley, not Wilberforce, then it should be removed from the Wilberforce page. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Larry Gilman ( talk • contribs) 13 July 2007
In this article it is said that Wilberforce questions wether Huxley's mother or father was descended from a monkey. However in the Wiki article the word Ape is used rather than Monkey. someone needs to find out wether it is an Ape or Monkey. Persiancowboy 23:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
This is a non-rhetorical thought. This text:
Now observe the link: it links to a chemical process producing soap... Now, does such a link add to the sentence? No! (?) Preferrably a link to metaphorical usage of the words "oleaginous" and "saponaceous" would be advantageous, but probably such articles don't exist... Instead maybe links to Wiktionary, that actually may describe such usages of these words? ... said: Rursus ( bork²) 10:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I went looking for things I had read in Omni magazine about Soapy Sam. One, that he was called 'Slippery Sam' in the US. Also an account of what transpired between Darwin and Wilberforce that gave dignity to them both, which showed Sam's comments on Darwin's theories as being received with a measured and even appreciative tone, Darwin noting that Samuel had pointed out the very parts of Darwin's theory that Darwin himself had felt most weak.
Instead I found this:
Upon hearing the news that Wilberforce had died after sustaining a head injury falling from a horse, Huxley acerbically responded that at last the bishop’s brain had come into contact with reality.
Oh well.
Anarchangel (
talk)
17:32, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
The idea is that Wilberforce asked Huxley in their debate if he claimed ancestry to a monkey through his grandmother or grandfather, and that Wilberfoce basically destroyed him in his response. All this, however, is a later fabrication and historians agree that there's no evidence to know anything of what went on in the debate. I added this fact to the article. 64.229.115.87 ( talk) 18:15, 1 December 2018 (UTC)