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I deleted the marathon pace section. Even if it's an olympic record, I don't really see a point of having it on there. -- 138.163.160.41 ( talk) 23:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
To whomever(s) keep changing the death date to 5/15/11: yes, when he died, to those of us in the U.S., it was 5/15/11, but when he died, in Kenya, it was already 5/16/11. The date of when he died should match the place where he died. The reports state that he died Monday (5/16/11) morning. So please, stop changing it to 5/15/11, unless the reports change the date of death to Sunday, 5/15/11. 96.2.154.208 ( talk) 03:19, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
The Death section of this article is a bit out of date. It appears police initially ruled it a suicide, but there is contention over that: http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Pathologist-Athlete-was-killed/1056-2620032-u5cips/index.html. Googling "Samuel Wanjiru suicide" shows several articles to this effect. 98.26.59.175 ( talk) 18:47, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
This is a case where the recent death template is inarguably appropriate. The article currently reads that there was a "domestic dispute". That is not completely clear, but even if it were, your run-of-the-mill domestic dispute doesn't lead to someone falling to their death. There are questions about suicide, accidental death, homicide, etc. Template haters may not like it, but people coming to Wikipedia expect accurate information, and if we don't have it, we need to own up to it. That is what this template does. HuskyHuskie ( talk) 17:49, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Template:Recent death/doc says, As such, it should only be used in cases where many editors (perhaps a hundred or more) are editing the article on the same day, and should be removed as soon as the editing dies down to a normal level again. (emphasis mine). Over the past 24 hours, this article has been edited at a rate somewhere between 400 to 500 times its "normal level". There is no hard and fast number here to guide us in the tag's removal, despite what has been implied in some editors' edit summaries. And, given the additional reasons given above, this article is perhaps one of the best examples of where this template is needed. Many readers--such as myself--are going to read that this man is dead and then, for better or worse, come to Wikipedia to learn about it. The article cannot right now satisfactorily answer the questions, which is why the tag which reads, Some information, such as that pertaining to the circumstances of the person's death and surrounding events, may change as more facts become known. is perfectly justified here. If not here, then where? (Oh yes, I know the tag haters answer to that. But get the template deleted first.) HuskyHuskie ( talk) 01:47, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
By my count, this article was edited 88 times on May 16. There were 11 edits in the first hour and 38 minutes of May 17, which looked to be almost exactly the same pace as yesterday. However now, two hours later, the edit count for May 17 is still just 11. Looks like things are slowing down quite a bit, but I also take note of the fact that Africa is asleep right now, and we're still waiting on more information from the police. But perhaps by this time tomorrow we'll want to consider removing the template. HuskyHuskie ( talk) 03:43, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
No idea, but its removal when inclusion is not in keeping with the instructions is seldom disputed in this bizarre fashion. There was a recent TfD discussion, however, where many opined that it ought to be deprecated in favor of {{ current}} (which seems reasonable, although the wording of that template is over-specific (it fails to address situations where the event has completed and hence the underlying information is not changing, but what is known is changing). Bongo matic 11:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I do not have time right now to read these, but I believe there are new details here from credible sources/links. It's the 2nd one down
Runners World coverage -- CutOffTies ( talk) 13:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
The German article mentions divorce ("Scheidung"). Were there divorce proceedings? If so, it should be stated on this article as well; if not, it shouldn't be on there. Jim Michael ( talk) 19:18, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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I deleted the marathon pace section. Even if it's an olympic record, I don't really see a point of having it on there. -- 138.163.160.41 ( talk) 23:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
To whomever(s) keep changing the death date to 5/15/11: yes, when he died, to those of us in the U.S., it was 5/15/11, but when he died, in Kenya, it was already 5/16/11. The date of when he died should match the place where he died. The reports state that he died Monday (5/16/11) morning. So please, stop changing it to 5/15/11, unless the reports change the date of death to Sunday, 5/15/11. 96.2.154.208 ( talk) 03:19, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
The Death section of this article is a bit out of date. It appears police initially ruled it a suicide, but there is contention over that: http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Pathologist-Athlete-was-killed/1056-2620032-u5cips/index.html. Googling "Samuel Wanjiru suicide" shows several articles to this effect. 98.26.59.175 ( talk) 18:47, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
This is a case where the recent death template is inarguably appropriate. The article currently reads that there was a "domestic dispute". That is not completely clear, but even if it were, your run-of-the-mill domestic dispute doesn't lead to someone falling to their death. There are questions about suicide, accidental death, homicide, etc. Template haters may not like it, but people coming to Wikipedia expect accurate information, and if we don't have it, we need to own up to it. That is what this template does. HuskyHuskie ( talk) 17:49, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Template:Recent death/doc says, As such, it should only be used in cases where many editors (perhaps a hundred or more) are editing the article on the same day, and should be removed as soon as the editing dies down to a normal level again. (emphasis mine). Over the past 24 hours, this article has been edited at a rate somewhere between 400 to 500 times its "normal level". There is no hard and fast number here to guide us in the tag's removal, despite what has been implied in some editors' edit summaries. And, given the additional reasons given above, this article is perhaps one of the best examples of where this template is needed. Many readers--such as myself--are going to read that this man is dead and then, for better or worse, come to Wikipedia to learn about it. The article cannot right now satisfactorily answer the questions, which is why the tag which reads, Some information, such as that pertaining to the circumstances of the person's death and surrounding events, may change as more facts become known. is perfectly justified here. If not here, then where? (Oh yes, I know the tag haters answer to that. But get the template deleted first.) HuskyHuskie ( talk) 01:47, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
By my count, this article was edited 88 times on May 16. There were 11 edits in the first hour and 38 minutes of May 17, which looked to be almost exactly the same pace as yesterday. However now, two hours later, the edit count for May 17 is still just 11. Looks like things are slowing down quite a bit, but I also take note of the fact that Africa is asleep right now, and we're still waiting on more information from the police. But perhaps by this time tomorrow we'll want to consider removing the template. HuskyHuskie ( talk) 03:43, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
No idea, but its removal when inclusion is not in keeping with the instructions is seldom disputed in this bizarre fashion. There was a recent TfD discussion, however, where many opined that it ought to be deprecated in favor of {{ current}} (which seems reasonable, although the wording of that template is over-specific (it fails to address situations where the event has completed and hence the underlying information is not changing, but what is known is changing). Bongo matic 11:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I do not have time right now to read these, but I believe there are new details here from credible sources/links. It's the 2nd one down
Runners World coverage -- CutOffTies ( talk) 13:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
The German article mentions divorce ("Scheidung"). Were there divorce proceedings? If so, it should be stated on this article as well; if not, it shouldn't be on there. Jim Michael ( talk) 19:18, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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