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The above does not make sense -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:30, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Oltrepier ( talk · contribs) 16:13, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm taking over this review: this is my first one, and I hope I'll do everything right. Still, the article already looks in good shape, so I'm not too worried. Let's take a closer look!
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.===Comments===
Right, here are my suggestions!
– First, I think the leading phrase could be re-structured a bit, like this:
"A youth product of Chelsea and Juventus, Iling-Junior made his debut for Juventus U23 in the 2021–22 season, while reaching the UEFA Youth League semi-finals with the club's under-19 squad. He was then promoted to the first team, having made his debut in December 2022. [Enter] Iling-Junior has represented England at various youth international levels, having won a UEFA European Under-19 Championship in 2022."
– According to this interview, he started playing football at the age of four: plus, he decided to join Juventus after rejecting a scholarship deal, which is commonly offered to under-18 players by professional clubs in the UK. You can add that, too, if you'd like to.
I also think it would be clearer to write "attracting the interest from various high-profile European clubs", without specifying too much.
– "Triennial" should be replaced with "three-year", in my opinion.
– The Guardian's mention might fit more in the "Style of play" section, or even as the last line of the page's introduction.
– The Mulazzi mention isn't so necessary in that context, to be honest.
– I don't know if the phrase starting with "Prior to his first-team debut [...]" is really necessary, either: that data is already available through the statistics, and adding another reminder could be too redundant and confusing.
– "with Juventus trailing 4–1" is a surplus, as well: I would just add "as Juventus eventually faced a 4–3 loss" at the end of the following phrase.
– Was it a "blunt trauma" or a "sprain trauma"? Just to clarify.
– "On 19 December, Iling-Junior renewed his contract with Juventus until 2025 and was subsequently promoted to the first team."
– The Bonatti mention doesn't look so useful to me...
– Finally, here are some more sources you might add to the page (aside of the one I already included): The official transfer report by Juventus; one more source about the Youth League achievements; a match report for his first-team debut against Empoli; one for his Champions League debut.
Well, that's all for now. Let me know what do you think about it! Oltrepier ( talk) 16:13, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
The result was: promoted ALT1f by starship .paint ( exalt) 13:14, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Improved to Good Article status by Dr Salvus ( talk). Self-nominated at 23:19, 14 January 2023 (UTC).
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Article is new and long enough (GA yesterday), sourcing and prose is good. Earwig shows no issues. Hook isn't the greatest IMO; it is a little confusing, changes from past to present tense, and has an potential inaccuracy (readers may think that he entered, scored, and assisted within a span of two minutes based on how the hook is worded, which is incorrect according to the article). The assist on Fagioli's winner after 41 seconds is a much better hook fact in my opinion, and more easily digestible. QPQ also still needed.
The hook should include a definite fact that is mentioned in the article and likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest. WP:DYKSG states:
Don't assume everyone worldwide knows what country or sport you're talking about. Football may be the world's most popular sport, but not everyone is well-versed in it, and hooks need to ensure that even people with no knowledge or only passing knowledge about a topic (football in this case) can still understand it. We are writing for general readers, not solely for football fans, and so the hook has to appeal primarily to the first group and perhaps only secondarily to the second.
ALT2: ...that
Samuel Iling-Junior (pictured) became a
Juventus first-team player in December 2022 when he had played only nine matches with their
Juventus Next Gen reserve-team in more than a year?
Want to add that this happened although Juventus' coach Allegri is one who does not trust youngsters at all (he hasn't played much for the first team).
Sources:
Will do something similar at Dean Huijsen. Dr Salvus 16:53, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
has too little contentand that it paints the subject or his team negatively. I think alt2, as well as being fairly poor English that would need a rephrase anyway, isn't particularly interesting for anyone who isn't a Juve fan - it needs the context that the coach did not often include young players at that point in time to be remarkable. Alt3 similarly presents nothing remarkable. I believe I did mention when I commented on the GA that there obviously wasn't much content there - he's a young player. I suppose there are some questions, then: will the nominator accept alt1, or do we ignore nominator wishes, as is acceptable; or are there other alt hook proposals? Kingsif ( talk) 13:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Samuel Iling-Junior’s two assists in 43 first-team minutes at Juventus have alerted the world to his talents and sent a tinge of regret toward Chelsea...Almost immediately after his introduction, he set up a goal for Arkadiusz Milik and two minutes later laid one on for Weston McKennie, without officially getting an assist.Cielquiparle ( talk) 06:43, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
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![]() | A fact from Samuel Iling-Junior appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 13 March 2023 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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The above does not make sense -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:30, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Oltrepier ( talk · contribs) 16:13, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm taking over this review: this is my first one, and I hope I'll do everything right. Still, the article already looks in good shape, so I'm not too worried. Let's take a closer look!
Oltrepier (
talk)
16:13, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not) |
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Overall: |
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.===Comments===
Right, here are my suggestions!
– First, I think the leading phrase could be re-structured a bit, like this:
"A youth product of Chelsea and Juventus, Iling-Junior made his debut for Juventus U23 in the 2021–22 season, while reaching the UEFA Youth League semi-finals with the club's under-19 squad. He was then promoted to the first team, having made his debut in December 2022. [Enter] Iling-Junior has represented England at various youth international levels, having won a UEFA European Under-19 Championship in 2022."
– According to this interview, he started playing football at the age of four: plus, he decided to join Juventus after rejecting a scholarship deal, which is commonly offered to under-18 players by professional clubs in the UK. You can add that, too, if you'd like to.
I also think it would be clearer to write "attracting the interest from various high-profile European clubs", without specifying too much.
– "Triennial" should be replaced with "three-year", in my opinion.
– The Guardian's mention might fit more in the "Style of play" section, or even as the last line of the page's introduction.
– The Mulazzi mention isn't so necessary in that context, to be honest.
– I don't know if the phrase starting with "Prior to his first-team debut [...]" is really necessary, either: that data is already available through the statistics, and adding another reminder could be too redundant and confusing.
– "with Juventus trailing 4–1" is a surplus, as well: I would just add "as Juventus eventually faced a 4–3 loss" at the end of the following phrase.
– Was it a "blunt trauma" or a "sprain trauma"? Just to clarify.
– "On 19 December, Iling-Junior renewed his contract with Juventus until 2025 and was subsequently promoted to the first team."
– The Bonatti mention doesn't look so useful to me...
– Finally, here are some more sources you might add to the page (aside of the one I already included): The official transfer report by Juventus; one more source about the Youth League achievements; a match report for his first-team debut against Empoli; one for his Champions League debut.
Well, that's all for now. Let me know what do you think about it! Oltrepier ( talk) 16:13, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
The result was: promoted ALT1f by starship .paint ( exalt) 13:14, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Improved to Good Article status by Dr Salvus ( talk). Self-nominated at 23:19, 14 January 2023 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook eligibility:
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px. |
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall:
Article is new and long enough (GA yesterday), sourcing and prose is good. Earwig shows no issues. Hook isn't the greatest IMO; it is a little confusing, changes from past to present tense, and has an potential inaccuracy (readers may think that he entered, scored, and assisted within a span of two minutes based on how the hook is worded, which is incorrect according to the article). The assist on Fagioli's winner after 41 seconds is a much better hook fact in my opinion, and more easily digestible. QPQ also still needed.
The hook should include a definite fact that is mentioned in the article and likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest. WP:DYKSG states:
Don't assume everyone worldwide knows what country or sport you're talking about. Football may be the world's most popular sport, but not everyone is well-versed in it, and hooks need to ensure that even people with no knowledge or only passing knowledge about a topic (football in this case) can still understand it. We are writing for general readers, not solely for football fans, and so the hook has to appeal primarily to the first group and perhaps only secondarily to the second.
ALT2: ...that
Samuel Iling-Junior (pictured) became a
Juventus first-team player in December 2022 when he had played only nine matches with their
Juventus Next Gen reserve-team in more than a year?
Want to add that this happened although Juventus' coach Allegri is one who does not trust youngsters at all (he hasn't played much for the first team).
Sources:
Will do something similar at Dean Huijsen. Dr Salvus 16:53, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
has too little contentand that it paints the subject or his team negatively. I think alt2, as well as being fairly poor English that would need a rephrase anyway, isn't particularly interesting for anyone who isn't a Juve fan - it needs the context that the coach did not often include young players at that point in time to be remarkable. Alt3 similarly presents nothing remarkable. I believe I did mention when I commented on the GA that there obviously wasn't much content there - he's a young player. I suppose there are some questions, then: will the nominator accept alt1, or do we ignore nominator wishes, as is acceptable; or are there other alt hook proposals? Kingsif ( talk) 13:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Samuel Iling-Junior’s two assists in 43 first-team minutes at Juventus have alerted the world to his talents and sent a tinge of regret toward Chelsea...Almost immediately after his introduction, he set up a goal for Arkadiusz Milik and two minutes later laid one on for Weston McKennie, without officially getting an assist.Cielquiparle ( talk) 06:43, 15 February 2023 (UTC)