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You never actually name the American Revolution in the lead, just stating "wartime". It would be best to go ahead and name the Revolution, as not all readers are going to have the background knowledge to identify what the conflict was based on the years it occurred in.
"Virginia State Senate from Augusta, Rockingham, Rockbridge, Shenandoah, and Pendleton counties" - Would it make more sense to piped link it as "Virginia State Senator" for grammatical reasons, or is the other version a convention in the specific infobox?
"killed Shawnee Chief Cornstalk without case" - What does "without case" mean? Is it a typo for cause?
Yes, just a typo for cause. fixed
" Further, they believed the colonists may well be able to restore friendly relations with the Indians if they were able to capture Fort Detroit from the British" - Shift of tense in the middle of this
For the ref concerning the quote above, it's better to link to the exact document
[1] than the page you have to navigate through to get to the article.
"October 10, 1774, The Battle of Point Pleasant was fought between the Virginia militia and Indians from the Shawnee and Mingo tribes along the Ohio River, with the militia emerging victorious." - Citation needed
"The months following the Dunmore's War saw tension rise between the British and the colonies. Lord Dunmore dissolved the House of Burgesses in May 1774. This lead the Burgesses to form the extralegal Virginia Convention." - Citation needed
"Mathews was elected to the Virginia State Senate for the inaugural session of the Virginia General Assembly, the successor to the House of Burgesses. He represented Augusta, Rockingham, Rockbridge, Shenandoah, and Pendleton counties.[21]" - This gives the impression that he represented all of these countries during that first session, but he didn't represent Pendleton until 1790, which was 10 years removed from the rest of his terms.
" Clem, Gladys B. (1965)"It Happened Around Staunton in Virginia"(Staunton, Virginia: Second Edition) p. 21-23" - Is there a way to insert a space between (1965) and "It Happened ..." ?
The infobox and sources seem to indicate that Mathews was in the Virginia Senate in 1790, but this isn't mentioned
Newtack101 (
talk)
17:40, 16 April 2020 (UTC)in the article. It should be.reply
done. I'm not sure what to do in the infobox regarding the varying counties. Do you think I should add a new entry every year he represented a different set of counties, or leave it as is?
Newtack101 (
talk)
00:34, 17 April 2020 (UTC)reply
I think it would be acceptable. I'm not an expert on the infobox standards for this infobox. If you plan on taking this forward to A-class or FAC, they might say something about that.
4.
5.
6.
7.
Placing this one on hold now, I'll make another run through after these are addressed.
I found one last thing. You have a ref to Kromkowski without any other context (43 I believe), but there's two separate refs to Kromkowski, so it's unclear which is referred to.
Hog Farm (
talk)
04:03, 17 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Gotcha. I went ahead and put the full Kromkowski reference in for (43). Also, just want to make sure you saw my question about the infobox above. Thanks.
Newtack101 (
talk)
12:29, 17 April 2020 (UTC)reply
In response to a request on my talk page, I'd like to offer an informal pre-FAC review of this article. I didn't know anything about this person before reading the article, and know fairly little about the US Revolutionary War.
"As war came to the colonies" - wasn't there warfare against Native Americans from the start of European colonisation?
"His parents were among the first settlers of Augusta County" - I imagine it was already settled, by Native Americans - should this be "first European colonists" or similar? (not sure what the situation in the US is, but modern works on colonisation in Australia go to considerable lengths to avoid this kind of wording given that it's now considered both inaccurate and offensive to suggest that Australia wasn't settled before Europeans invaded the place)
"In October 1780, Mathews requested to disqualify himself form serving the rest of his term in the Virginia State Senate" - do we know why? (also, this sentence is a bit wordy)
The sources look reliable, but there's inconsistency in the footnotes: while most cites to books use the short form, the full details of some books are given.
I'd suggest putting this article though a Military History Wikiproject
A-class review before going to FAC: the ACR process is designed to provide preparation for FAC, and A-class articles have a much better chance of being passed at FAC. This should ensure that some reviewers more familiar with the American Revolutionary War than I am consider the article.
Nick-D (
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23:25, 24 April 2020 (UTC)reply
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ALT1:... that Sampson Mathews was nicknamed the "master driver of cattle" for transporting over one hundred cattle 160 miles through the Allegheny mountains in 19 days in preparation for the
Battle of Point Pleasant of
Dunmore's War?
ALT1 has elements not expressly stated within the article that I could see. The issue here is that the time and distance aren't mentioned. This needs to be added to satisfy
WP:DYKRULES 3a. Otherwise, it looks okay to me. --
TheSandDoctorTalk23:51, 24 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Hi
TheSandDoctor, thanks for reviewing this submission. I'm not sure if I know what you mean by time and distance not being mentioned -- do you mean the DYK hook is missing these things, or the article itself? Either way, I'm happy to make changes. Thanks,
Newtack101 (
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12:19, 25 April 2020 (UTC)reply
TheSandDoctor Ohh, okay, I misinterpreted ALT1 as being the first of the two. My bad. The 160 miles in 19 days is in a direct quote towards the bottom of the Earl Life and Indian Wars section. "During nineteen entire days, this gallant band pressed forward descending from the height of the Allegheny mountains to the mouth of the Kenawha [sic], a distance of one hundred and sixty miles."
Newtack101 (
talk)
02:39, 26 April 2020 (UTC)reply
A fact from Sampson Mathews appeared on Wikipedia's
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You never actually name the American Revolution in the lead, just stating "wartime". It would be best to go ahead and name the Revolution, as not all readers are going to have the background knowledge to identify what the conflict was based on the years it occurred in.
"Virginia State Senate from Augusta, Rockingham, Rockbridge, Shenandoah, and Pendleton counties" - Would it make more sense to piped link it as "Virginia State Senator" for grammatical reasons, or is the other version a convention in the specific infobox?
"killed Shawnee Chief Cornstalk without case" - What does "without case" mean? Is it a typo for cause?
Yes, just a typo for cause. fixed
" Further, they believed the colonists may well be able to restore friendly relations with the Indians if they were able to capture Fort Detroit from the British" - Shift of tense in the middle of this
For the ref concerning the quote above, it's better to link to the exact document
[1] than the page you have to navigate through to get to the article.
"October 10, 1774, The Battle of Point Pleasant was fought between the Virginia militia and Indians from the Shawnee and Mingo tribes along the Ohio River, with the militia emerging victorious." - Citation needed
"The months following the Dunmore's War saw tension rise between the British and the colonies. Lord Dunmore dissolved the House of Burgesses in May 1774. This lead the Burgesses to form the extralegal Virginia Convention." - Citation needed
"Mathews was elected to the Virginia State Senate for the inaugural session of the Virginia General Assembly, the successor to the House of Burgesses. He represented Augusta, Rockingham, Rockbridge, Shenandoah, and Pendleton counties.[21]" - This gives the impression that he represented all of these countries during that first session, but he didn't represent Pendleton until 1790, which was 10 years removed from the rest of his terms.
" Clem, Gladys B. (1965)"It Happened Around Staunton in Virginia"(Staunton, Virginia: Second Edition) p. 21-23" - Is there a way to insert a space between (1965) and "It Happened ..." ?
The infobox and sources seem to indicate that Mathews was in the Virginia Senate in 1790, but this isn't mentioned
Newtack101 (
talk)
17:40, 16 April 2020 (UTC)in the article. It should be.reply
done. I'm not sure what to do in the infobox regarding the varying counties. Do you think I should add a new entry every year he represented a different set of counties, or leave it as is?
Newtack101 (
talk)
00:34, 17 April 2020 (UTC)reply
I think it would be acceptable. I'm not an expert on the infobox standards for this infobox. If you plan on taking this forward to A-class or FAC, they might say something about that.
4.
5.
6.
7.
Placing this one on hold now, I'll make another run through after these are addressed.
I found one last thing. You have a ref to Kromkowski without any other context (43 I believe), but there's two separate refs to Kromkowski, so it's unclear which is referred to.
Hog Farm (
talk)
04:03, 17 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Gotcha. I went ahead and put the full Kromkowski reference in for (43). Also, just want to make sure you saw my question about the infobox above. Thanks.
Newtack101 (
talk)
12:29, 17 April 2020 (UTC)reply
In response to a request on my talk page, I'd like to offer an informal pre-FAC review of this article. I didn't know anything about this person before reading the article, and know fairly little about the US Revolutionary War.
"As war came to the colonies" - wasn't there warfare against Native Americans from the start of European colonisation?
"His parents were among the first settlers of Augusta County" - I imagine it was already settled, by Native Americans - should this be "first European colonists" or similar? (not sure what the situation in the US is, but modern works on colonisation in Australia go to considerable lengths to avoid this kind of wording given that it's now considered both inaccurate and offensive to suggest that Australia wasn't settled before Europeans invaded the place)
"In October 1780, Mathews requested to disqualify himself form serving the rest of his term in the Virginia State Senate" - do we know why? (also, this sentence is a bit wordy)
The sources look reliable, but there's inconsistency in the footnotes: while most cites to books use the short form, the full details of some books are given.
I'd suggest putting this article though a Military History Wikiproject
A-class review before going to FAC: the ACR process is designed to provide preparation for FAC, and A-class articles have a much better chance of being passed at FAC. This should ensure that some reviewers more familiar with the American Revolutionary War than I am consider the article.
Nick-D (
talk)
23:25, 24 April 2020 (UTC)reply
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
ALT1:... that Sampson Mathews was nicknamed the "master driver of cattle" for transporting over one hundred cattle 160 miles through the Allegheny mountains in 19 days in preparation for the
Battle of Point Pleasant of
Dunmore's War?
ALT1 has elements not expressly stated within the article that I could see. The issue here is that the time and distance aren't mentioned. This needs to be added to satisfy
WP:DYKRULES 3a. Otherwise, it looks okay to me. --
TheSandDoctorTalk23:51, 24 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Hi
TheSandDoctor, thanks for reviewing this submission. I'm not sure if I know what you mean by time and distance not being mentioned -- do you mean the DYK hook is missing these things, or the article itself? Either way, I'm happy to make changes. Thanks,
Newtack101 (
talk)
12:19, 25 April 2020 (UTC)reply
TheSandDoctor Ohh, okay, I misinterpreted ALT1 as being the first of the two. My bad. The 160 miles in 19 days is in a direct quote towards the bottom of the Earl Life and Indian Wars section. "During nineteen entire days, this gallant band pressed forward descending from the height of the Allegheny mountains to the mouth of the Kenawha [sic], a distance of one hundred and sixty miles."
Newtack101 (
talk)
02:39, 26 April 2020 (UTC)reply