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There is really only one source used in this article that demonstrates significant coverage of Watkins. Sources like stat pages from ESPN or info at Rivals.com are fine for verifying facts and stats, but they aren't really significant coverage. A few good, third party sources that show significant coverage of Watkins will show his notability without question. Instead of just subjectively saying you think he is notable and removing the template, why not 'demonstrate that he is? Niteshift36 ( talk) 03:31, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
In regards to a player's misdemeanor charges and the WP:NOTNEWS policy, I feel it is not necessary to list the minor infractions of Watkins or other players like Jadeveon Clowney. Consider this, and apply the WP:NOTNEWS policy when you do: Years from now when we're compiling the collegiate and professional accolades of these athletes, how are these misdemeanor charges going to be noteworthy? Is a list compiled of misdemeanor charges for all notable people who have pages on Wikipedia. If not, why? I know some may say Watkins is notable because he was arrested and missed games, but A. Clowney was arrested (a traffic ticket is an arrest) and B. there was never an opportunity to suspend Clowney. It's got to be one or the other. Either we record all one-time misdemeanors, or we record none.-- LesPhilky ( talk) 00:37, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
First, the notion of all get included or none get included is flat wrong. Every charge and the circumstances differ and that is part of the decision process. Second, this whole "traffic ticket is an arrest" thing suffers from some misrepresentation. Yes, a ticket is technically an arrest. However, the traffic charge is not a criminal charge. It is a civil infraction. In other words, if found guilty, you can't go to jail. South Carolina law might be different, but it really doesn't matter. The crimes Watkins was charged with were actual crimes, without a doubt. Third, is a misdemeanor relevant? Ask my congressman who was recently charged with a drug misdemeanor. It is most assuredly in his BLP and will stay there. (BTW, like Watkins, his drug charge would have been a felony had either of them been back in their hometown) Lastly, unlike Clowney, Watkins' actions effected the entire team, having him suspended for 2 games. Sorry, this is relevant. It's not a NPOV issue. In fact, I'd argue removing it causes a NPOV issue. Niteshift36 ( talk) 13:15, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
I wasn't involved in the previous editing of this article, but I know this is on ongoing debate/discussion on numerous articles. I don't think there is specific policy to argue here, but rather a blend of separate policies. From my basic knowledge of policies, I would argue that in general, legal/academic/etc incidents aren't automatically noteworthy. In most cases, the decision on whether to include such incidents depend on the impact. It isn't a clear cut line though, and takes a little bit of due diligence. For a couple of examples: Clowney's ticket really isn't notable by itself, but could be worth including if there are further implications. As it is currently in the article, I would remove it. If there are reliable sources that say the ticket could impact his standing in the upcoming draft, then that could be worth including. In the cases of other players, like Watkins, and DGB, I would say the incidents are worth noting in regards to the impact. The incidents resulted in suspensions and should be noted in the section for that season or college career or whatever for that particular article. Another problem is listing these arrest/incidents under the catch-all "Personal Life" section and especially creating these separate "Legal Troubles" sections. It is the same as a "Criticism/controversy" section in BLP policy. Isn't the policy to incorporate controversy/criticism where notable in the article body, not make a separate section? That is usually brought up for political/public figures, but translates easily over to these college athletes. If player is involved in legal/academic/etc incidents with a notable impact, incorporate such impacts in the body of the article where the impact is made. In summary, I see two main issues at the moment:
- Legal/academic/ect incidents are only notable if there is a notable impact from the incident. Clowney's ticket isn't notable in and of itself, but reliable sources might show that there is a notable impact, such as possible NFL draft implications, that could be incorporated in the draft section.
- Just as "Criticism/Controversy" sections are avoided for public figures, listing these type of incidents for college athletes under the catch-all "Personal life" section or especially creating these "Legal troubles" sections, should be avoided. If an incident has a notable impact it should be incorporated in the body of the article where the impact is made. (Certain circumstances/incidents are obviously going to be exceptions and merit specific sections/detail. I haven't reviewed how his particular article has been handled, but Johnny Manziel comes to mind.) Brinkley32 ( talk) 04:55, 15 January 14 (UTC)
He has been DRAFTED by the Bills. He is NOT a member of the team yet. He hasn't even started to negotiate his contract yet, let alone sign one. Stop inserting the false statement (sometimes called a lie) that he is now a member of the team. Quit worrying about being first and worry about being accurate. This is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. Niteshift36 ( talk) 03:46, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Wiki, I made edits to the 2015 season injury controversy, which was misrepresenting Watkins being critical of football/Bills fans. Let us eat lettuce ( talk) 22:28, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move to Sammy Watkins without a redirect. ( non-admin closure) Rockchalk 7 17 19:43, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Sammy Watkins (American football) → Sammy Watkins – There are two BLPs of a Sammy Watkins, one a musician, one the wide receiver for the Kansas City Chiefs. The musician page is a stub of a relatively unknown musician that is rarely edited (35 edits since 2006 vs 35 since March on the football player). I couldn’t get the page views tool to pull up but I’m guessing there’s a substantial difference in number of weekly views too. I believe Chad Johnson’s page underwent a similar move for similar reasons a few years ago. I believe this page should be simply Sammy Watkins, the musician should stay as Sammy Watkins (musician) and the page titled Sammy Watkins should be moved to Sammy Watkins (disambiguation). Rockchalk 7 17 20:40, 10 September 2019 (UTC)--Rockchalk 7 17 20:39, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
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There is really only one source used in this article that demonstrates significant coverage of Watkins. Sources like stat pages from ESPN or info at Rivals.com are fine for verifying facts and stats, but they aren't really significant coverage. A few good, third party sources that show significant coverage of Watkins will show his notability without question. Instead of just subjectively saying you think he is notable and removing the template, why not 'demonstrate that he is? Niteshift36 ( talk) 03:31, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
In regards to a player's misdemeanor charges and the WP:NOTNEWS policy, I feel it is not necessary to list the minor infractions of Watkins or other players like Jadeveon Clowney. Consider this, and apply the WP:NOTNEWS policy when you do: Years from now when we're compiling the collegiate and professional accolades of these athletes, how are these misdemeanor charges going to be noteworthy? Is a list compiled of misdemeanor charges for all notable people who have pages on Wikipedia. If not, why? I know some may say Watkins is notable because he was arrested and missed games, but A. Clowney was arrested (a traffic ticket is an arrest) and B. there was never an opportunity to suspend Clowney. It's got to be one or the other. Either we record all one-time misdemeanors, or we record none.-- LesPhilky ( talk) 00:37, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
First, the notion of all get included or none get included is flat wrong. Every charge and the circumstances differ and that is part of the decision process. Second, this whole "traffic ticket is an arrest" thing suffers from some misrepresentation. Yes, a ticket is technically an arrest. However, the traffic charge is not a criminal charge. It is a civil infraction. In other words, if found guilty, you can't go to jail. South Carolina law might be different, but it really doesn't matter. The crimes Watkins was charged with were actual crimes, without a doubt. Third, is a misdemeanor relevant? Ask my congressman who was recently charged with a drug misdemeanor. It is most assuredly in his BLP and will stay there. (BTW, like Watkins, his drug charge would have been a felony had either of them been back in their hometown) Lastly, unlike Clowney, Watkins' actions effected the entire team, having him suspended for 2 games. Sorry, this is relevant. It's not a NPOV issue. In fact, I'd argue removing it causes a NPOV issue. Niteshift36 ( talk) 13:15, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
I wasn't involved in the previous editing of this article, but I know this is on ongoing debate/discussion on numerous articles. I don't think there is specific policy to argue here, but rather a blend of separate policies. From my basic knowledge of policies, I would argue that in general, legal/academic/etc incidents aren't automatically noteworthy. In most cases, the decision on whether to include such incidents depend on the impact. It isn't a clear cut line though, and takes a little bit of due diligence. For a couple of examples: Clowney's ticket really isn't notable by itself, but could be worth including if there are further implications. As it is currently in the article, I would remove it. If there are reliable sources that say the ticket could impact his standing in the upcoming draft, then that could be worth including. In the cases of other players, like Watkins, and DGB, I would say the incidents are worth noting in regards to the impact. The incidents resulted in suspensions and should be noted in the section for that season or college career or whatever for that particular article. Another problem is listing these arrest/incidents under the catch-all "Personal Life" section and especially creating these separate "Legal Troubles" sections. It is the same as a "Criticism/controversy" section in BLP policy. Isn't the policy to incorporate controversy/criticism where notable in the article body, not make a separate section? That is usually brought up for political/public figures, but translates easily over to these college athletes. If player is involved in legal/academic/etc incidents with a notable impact, incorporate such impacts in the body of the article where the impact is made. In summary, I see two main issues at the moment:
- Legal/academic/ect incidents are only notable if there is a notable impact from the incident. Clowney's ticket isn't notable in and of itself, but reliable sources might show that there is a notable impact, such as possible NFL draft implications, that could be incorporated in the draft section.
- Just as "Criticism/Controversy" sections are avoided for public figures, listing these type of incidents for college athletes under the catch-all "Personal life" section or especially creating these "Legal troubles" sections, should be avoided. If an incident has a notable impact it should be incorporated in the body of the article where the impact is made. (Certain circumstances/incidents are obviously going to be exceptions and merit specific sections/detail. I haven't reviewed how his particular article has been handled, but Johnny Manziel comes to mind.) Brinkley32 ( talk) 04:55, 15 January 14 (UTC)
He has been DRAFTED by the Bills. He is NOT a member of the team yet. He hasn't even started to negotiate his contract yet, let alone sign one. Stop inserting the false statement (sometimes called a lie) that he is now a member of the team. Quit worrying about being first and worry about being accurate. This is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. Niteshift36 ( talk) 03:46, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Wiki, I made edits to the 2015 season injury controversy, which was misrepresenting Watkins being critical of football/Bills fans. Let us eat lettuce ( talk) 22:28, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move to Sammy Watkins without a redirect. ( non-admin closure) Rockchalk 7 17 19:43, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Sammy Watkins (American football) → Sammy Watkins – There are two BLPs of a Sammy Watkins, one a musician, one the wide receiver for the Kansas City Chiefs. The musician page is a stub of a relatively unknown musician that is rarely edited (35 edits since 2006 vs 35 since March on the football player). I couldn’t get the page views tool to pull up but I’m guessing there’s a substantial difference in number of weekly views too. I believe Chad Johnson’s page underwent a similar move for similar reasons a few years ago. I believe this page should be simply Sammy Watkins, the musician should stay as Sammy Watkins (musician) and the page titled Sammy Watkins should be moved to Sammy Watkins (disambiguation). Rockchalk 7 17 20:40, 10 September 2019 (UTC)--Rockchalk 7 17 20:39, 10 September 2019 (UTC)